This topic is for the purpose of discussing #6890: arukAdo's Saturn Castlevania: Symphony of the Night "new game+" in 03:29.65

Interesting glitch! Though it leaves little left in terms of gameplay. Feels Vault-worthy as fastest completion at any cost.

Feels Vault-worthy as fastest completion at any cost.

It starts from sram so it cant go into vault.

It's a premade file run made in the same manner as this one.

It's a premade file run made in the same manner as this one.

Which was also submitted (and rejected) here: #3831: SwordlessLink's N64 Diddy Kong Racing "Glitched NewGame+" in 04:09.25

Oh, I thought it wasn't from SRAM. If it's from SRAM then yeah, it's probably not publishable at all. I'd much rather see the fastest clean SRAM run.

I'd much rather see the fastest clean SRAM run.

Here you go.

Because theres no ACE or corruption possible on saturn (yet?), but only this bug, you would want instead to compare this sub with [2666] PSX Castlevania: Symphony of the Night "Replay Mode" by ForgoneMoose in 12:44.25 Then #6878: arukAdo & EZGames69's Saturn Castlevania: Symphony of the Night in 10:17.37 (clean sram) would compare to [2541] PSX Castlevania: Symphony of the Night by ForgoneMoose in 18:40.08 (clean sram) If the sram usage is considered too much then the 7:50 (wich wasnt even mentioned for rejection anyway, maybe should sub it too...) would compare to the 12:44 on psx (both using "only" the replay mode) But I dont think cross obsoletion should happen, just that one of those 3 runs should be published, it doesnt always has to be just about numbers.

The natural endpoint of this is figuring out if you can transfer an Alucard save to another Alucard save using this same dirty SRAM trick, and then if so, transferring a level 99 Alucard with whatever equipment you need into a new save file right beside Dracula. The absurdity of that, compared with the Pyjama%-ness (pun semi-intended) of this submission, suggests to me that this is going to be incredibly heavily rejected. Echoing what I just said in the other thread, this is an interesting glitch that does warrant being showcased somewhere. Just probably not here.

How does a fully leveled Alucard compare to a fully leveled Maria stat-wise? What about Richter. Has this been tested. Is the glitch specific to only Alucard or can it be be used on the other characters? If it can, is it possible that Maria or Richter would be faster?

A richter or maria bare run will be faster regardless, for two main reason, the glitch itself takes time as it involve to save and soft reset (thats many thousands frames worth), it also take more time to complete alucard scenario, you get dracula (who has 10'000 hp). Factoring the dialogues in and you get an inherent extra 2min30 to the run (thats what replay mode does skip) If you try to start with richter instead of maria; you will be 32hp and 10 mana, the problem with this is that with only 10 mana you wouldnt be able to do the wingsmash or super jump like we doing in the rejected run. A full level maria... so in maria or richter gameplay, you do get experience and levels, but they arent changing your stats (hp, mana, strenght ect...), the only thing that can happen is increase your HP with hpmaxup But it is very likely that if maria or richter happen to have -1 luck like alucard does in this run, they will also deal 9999dmg, that is possible by simply loading alucard and do the glitch then start new game with maria or richter. But because the soft reset take long, and increase loadings by a lot, it will still not beat a run that just go directly as maria, the bosses still die quick so its unlikely to be faster to have max dmg. (this is an assumption, I could be wrong, but we are within few seconds range at best) Yesterday I was talking to paulo, and there is one thing ive overlooked while making the movie(s), its not important for them, but its important for the glitch capacity to alterate routing and make stuff that would be impossible otherwise. You _have_ to use a save room, but you can glitch your position in the entrance further than the save room, for instance, you could start alucard, switch to maria, go into the marble gallery cdroom, reload alucard and boom, access to marble gallery, this is a scenario that wont make it in a tas here as it wont beat any speed record, it require more soft reset, but it allow for an insanly destructured run where alucard beat no monsters and no bosses, among the possible feats. The botom line is that yes you can alterate your start position with alucard in the entrance, but you cant start near dracula, and we are already in the most optimized position for speedrunning, it does look like arbritary but it happen to be the right place (and the fastest method).

This kind of movie doesn’t really belong on the main site. It’s not like with the last movie I participated in where you could take progress from a different character and trick the game into giving you full stats without needing to finish the game first. All this feels like is actually taking an already completed game and just copying the file over. It made more sense to do this glitch with with the other characters, but it makes less sense to do it here. You might as well just start your TAS in the save file where you last saved before Labs, because the only difference I see is how the save room gets glitched out. Either way I don’t see much use in a movie like this being published on the site, no vote.

You might as well just start your TAS in the save file where you last saved before Labs, because the only difference I see is how the save room gets glitched out.

This would defeat the purpose of the bug, the difference is you start a new game, and not just load an existing one (in that case you could just save at dracula) It can be seen as a password, or by other definitions (cf the donkey kong run), but it is not just loading end game and redo the end fight, it use a "new game"

You’re right, it does defeat the purpose of the bug. And I’m almost certain you can reach the teleporter room if you didn’t do the save bug and just entered it the normal way by just starting your save file from where you left off.

om, nom, nom... blech, bitter!