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ALAKTORN wrote:
Why can authors even vote their own movies?
Author votes are discarded when calculating overall rating of a movie. However, there's a bug where that isn't done for the individual entertainment/tech ratings of a movie.
Radiant wrote:
Spikestuff wrote:
Just going through the vault, looking at stuff above 6.0 Entertainment (and has 5 votes or more).
Of that list, only Push-Over, Metal Mech, and The Last Ninja are Vault-eligible. The rest are either not Vaultable games/game genres or not Vaultable categories.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Higher/lower rating has been addressed regarding confirmation bias based on whihch tier the video gets published in. I don't know if the following falls under that or if it is a different concept on rating bias:
Has anyone considered that a significant percentage of members voting pre-publication aren't going back and rating the videos post-publication?
Using myself as an example: I feel comfortable voting pre-publication on whether or not I find a run entertaining; but I don't feel I have the requisite degree of knowledge/skill to determine a published movie's technical rating. Thus I'll likely never rate a movie post-publication.
Further, the only way I know to see how many different members have even rated any published movies is to go through each publication individually and catalog who rated.
Regardless, I'm assuming that the group of members actually doing ratings is a significantly smaller percentage of members than those voting pre-publication.
If this assumption is found to be true, shouldn't the pre-publication votes be more heavily considered when determining entertainment tier? Isn't that the point of the tiers in the first place; to point any interested viewer in the direction of entertaining/high quality videos (whether they know anything about making a TAS or not)? Stars are special runs that most people will find entertaining and contain something extra that sets them apart from all others. Moons are runs in which many viewers will find entertaining, but don't necessarily contain anything to set them apart for Stars. Entertainment value is not even considered for Vault.
Just because a run isn't technically spectacular, doesn't make it any less entertaining to the average viewer.
A second assumption I'm going to make is that those who are rating post-publication videos are a group of members with higher levels of experience.
I fear this may unintentionally skew entertainment (and likely technical) ratings downward as it inherently takes a more impressive run to satisfy players of higher experience.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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Where can I read which pokemon games are considered the same game by tasvideos standards?
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feos wrote:
Where can I read which pokemon games are considered the same game by tasvideos standards?
A Red run has obsoleted a Yellow run, so technically any of the Gen 1 games are fair game for obsoleting each other. It would depend on the category, though. A glitchless Red run obsoleting a glitchless Yellow run (or vice versa) would be silly.
That said, back when the first SRAM glitch run was published, it didn't obsolete the JPN door glitch run because it was considered "different enough to warrant a new category" (so not to obsolete the Green run), establishing that the Green run is no longer published as any%. The same SRAM glitch could be done on the Japanese versions - it's not exclusive to the newer releases.
Actually, considering its rating and our present-day publication structure, it probably should be retroactively obsoleted now.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
The most recent pokemon "Catch 'em all" run has convinced me we should have a "Hall of Fame" tier for movies that cannot be obsoleted because they caused their category to be retired.
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[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
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Is any of these vaultable?
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
The Top Gear "one track" run was published before the introduction of Vault, and according to the Movie Rules is not a Vaultable goal.
The Top Gear 2 run instead, while it doesn't have a branch label, it's actually unclear if the goal is Vaultable or not. However, I noticed you updated the movie description yesterday, so I guess we should rather think about a proper branch label at this point.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
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Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish
[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
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This is one of those games that I don't think should be dropped to vault simply due to less than stellar post-publication ratings. Even though the ratings aren't fantastic, the forum feedback and voting from when it was submitted was quite positive.
This is one of those games that I don't think should be dropped to vault simply due to less than stellar post-publication ratings. Even though the ratings aren't fantastic, the forum feedback and voting from when it was submitted was quite positive.
I believe the reason for this was because it was prior to the existence of vault. If a game did not get positive feedback for entertainment on the forums, it did not make its way onto the site. Therefore it might have received some inflated feedback while on the workbench as a result.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
[16:08:10] <BenLubar> a TAS is just the limit of a segmented speedrun as the segment length approaches zero
