This topic is for the purpose of discussing #8167: Darkman425's SNES My QLDC Level (QLDC 2023) in 05:34.40

No opinion on publishability, but this was hilarious, thank you!

This one is a keeper for sure.

That was fantastic at 2x speed

Absolutely incredible hack, everything between the long straight walking sequences was mindblowingly creative.

What a creative hack! This was a delight to watch, eager yes vote from me

So... are we sure there is no way to beat the level at the end? Can you please contact the creators of this hack and ask, please?

So... are we sure there is no way to beat the level at the end? Can you please contact the creators of this hack and ask, please?

Given custom code runs when you die in this level (it doesn't normally say THE END), it can reasonably be assumed that this is the intended progression.

I am pretty sure the final level is a joke, as it feels like the type of level you'd play if you sort by new in Mario Maker.

I believe for individual contest entries, the hack title should follow a distinct norm. I propose the following: <contest name> - <name of entry level> or, if the level doesn't have a specific name, <X's entry>, where X can have multiple authors. For this instance, it'd be "QLDC 2023 - My QLDC Level". Any opinions?

I agree with the idea. I'll add that if enough runs from contests are submitted, I think they could be added as Game Groups ("Mario", "QLDC 2023").

I like this idea. I don’t mind if you wanna rename it to that.

I think it would be more appropriate to name it "My QLDC Level (QLDC 2023)". We use this kind of naming when there are homonym game titles. See this example: [4178] NES Angry Birds (Nice Code) by ThunderAxe31 in 07:51.21

I personally think it makes more sense to put the name of the contest first, as it's the main reason why the entry exists in the first place. Something like this could be read as "This is a TAS by Darkman425 of an entry from QLDC 2023 called "My QLDC Level"". Conversely, I think for otherwise identical game titles (not contest entries), putting the name of the developers at the end behind brackets makes more sense, cause it'd be a bit awkward to read otherwise IMO. With the Angry Birds example above, I'm reading it as "this is a TAS by ThunderAxe31 of the game Angry Birds developed by Nice Code".

IMO, I'd just stick it in the category. It'd look proper in quotation marks. It fits the style of the site more than the other suggestions. Then it could all share the same game page as well, and just have a bunch of different categories. I've seen other examples as this as well. Otherwise wouldn't the system technically require separate game pages? (Which will get very messy very fast) [TAS] SNES QLDC 2023 "Darkman425's Level" by Darkman425 in 05:34.40 That's really the TASVideos style, shares the same game page, and has the most readability. It allows for co-authors, obsoletions, etc., all without needing to create/add/append a bunch of game pages.

With the Angry Birds example above, I'm reading it as "this is a TAS by ThunderAxe31 of the game Angry Birds developed by Nice Code".

Agree. This makes more sense as it's the developer. I wouldn't use that style here.

Example.

IMO, I'd just stick it in the category. It'd look proper in quotation marks. It fits the style of the site more than the other suggestions. Then it could all share the same game page as well, and just have a bunch of different categories. I've seen other examples as this as well. Otherwise wouldn't the system technically require separate game pages? (Which will get very messy very fast) [TAS] SNES QDLC 2023 "Darkman425's Level" by Darkman425 in 05:34.40

Except it doesn't fit the style at all. Indeed, there is no compilation hack of the contest in question, and as such, it doesn't make sense at all to put the name of the contest entry in the branch label. Secondly, the entry was not made by Darkman425, but by Faro and MM102, as mentioned in the submission text, and the entry is literally called "My QLDC Level", as mentioned in the contest's results thread (behind spoilers).

Just used his username as an example. It can be adjusted as needed. Along the lines of this, which I would probably use in a case like this where it doesn't really have a proper name like here (the name of the hack is arguable as it's kind of... default, nor does it appear to have a working title screen):

or, if the level doesn't have a specific name, <X's entry>, where X can have multiple authors.

------------------------------------------------------------------ It is true that it is not all contained on one ROM file, however at this same time in 20 years when we're TASing Super Mario Maker, it would likely all fall under the same game. (I'd imagine some kind of custom save file or patch would be required there without near-impossibly hacking into the internet capabilities somehow while maintaining frame skip, I digress) If we are being that specific, "QLDC 2023" isn't a game either, nor is it in the title given by the authors (solely "My QLDC Level"). Someone like LogansGamingRoom who submits a lot of interesting homebrew runs built for contests will usually put the contest in the description but there is never any mention in the title. It's a bit of an odd scenario though as usually those games are full-fledged games, where these are single levels speedily built for a contest that tend to put more weight on being Super Mario World than their own entity, not to mention the name being thrown on after the fact... or in this case, really not at all. It doesn't really have a name. It does, but it doesn't. This would obviously be a lot more cut and dry if it was a full-fledged hack like Kaizo rather than this rare scenario. I do think it's very important to have here (hacks are like a breathing life force of speedrun.com and the same could be said for here and drive quite the daily competition), and I hope it gets sorted out. If we're looking at this as a normal ROM hack, the title should stay as-is, and it makes more sense to me now reading that the title is the actual given name rather than Darkman425 describing a contest entry he made. The name of the game is literally "My QLDC Level". I thought it was the author describing the game. Thunderaxe31's example also now sounds a lot nicer. I guess my opinion now is that it should stay as is, just as it'd be named if it was a full-release hack... wouldn't make any mention of the contest nor the base game.

Alternatively, it could be branded under a game title like "Super Mario World Single-Level Hacks", rephrased somehow. It's a bit of a slippery slope as otherwise it's very possible to end up with a ton of different game pages, a bunch of different YouTube titles, etc., etc., when it's all really the same base game at heart. Some clicks on "Best Game Ever" expecting something, and it's just a Mario level hack that isn't even a full game. One of the interesting discussions to be had after allowing ROM hacks and also relaxing the standards of acceptance: what constitutes a "different" game and what level of editing is required to take it to that extent? I think some form of grouping these together and standardizing them as similar if not the same, whatever it be, would be best. It also may not end up being a problem, but thinking theoretically if we get a few of these.

<contest name> - <name of entry level> isn't something we've done so far, but for a new thing, it feels natural and intuitive for "games" that are just joke hacks, with potentially joke names. If there's a clash in names, we can still put author(s) in parentheses, as always. Now regarding <name of entry level> (<contest name>), it emphasizes the actual name of the hack, and helps making the contest a completely separate notion, effectively preventing possible viewer misunderstanding, so I like it too. Name of the hack is not a branch goal within an existing game, so it can't be a branch label.

I think it would be more appropriate to name it "My QLDC Level (QLDC 2023)". We use this kind of naming when there are homonym game titles. See this example: [4178] NES Angry Birds (Nice Code) by ThunderAxe31 in 07:51.21

I agree with this suggestion. I think the ordering is important as well. If we had written it like “QLDC 2023 - My QLDC Level”, people might be confused about what the name of the hack is called, they might think it’s called QLDC 2023. However, using “My QLDC Level (QLDC 2023)” makes it clear what the name is, and they can assume the Parentheses is the contest name (especially when they read the description explaining where the hack comes from).

Aight, reading feos's and EZGames69's posts has convinced me to put the name of the contest in brackets. That way, we still have a very clear distinction that it was part of a contest and not a one-off thing. Thank you for your proposal, ThunderAxe31. I feel the authors of this entry should be mentioned in the description, by the way.

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