There is a trick to move super super fast in PowerSlave PC 1996 with just a mouse and strafe button down.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/214215205
The trick is too precise for a not-Tas speedrun, cause you have much higher horizontal sensitivity. Maybe I'll do a speedrun without this trick (there is a new hack, that fixes strafing and this bug also).
I'm not motivated enough to do a TAS run in near future (i mean the dos emulator looks too complicated), so I'm asking for someone to do it, cause the run should be super hot.
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How about Mario educational games or Where Is Carmen Sandiego?
Planned runs:
Marble Madness (Arcade, Genesis J, GG/SMS)
Proposed:
Ecco the Dolphin (Genesis, GG/SMS, CD: regular, camera freeze)
Ecco: The Tides of Time (Genesis, GG/SMS, CD; normal mode)
Mario Kart DS (all cups, all missions)
In progress: Grand Poo World 3 (all exits hard mode)
How about Mario educational games or Where Is Carmen Sandiego?
Educational games are not really accepted on the site. Am I'm pretty sure the mario educational games are no acception.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish
[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol
Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
I just had a frustrating couple of hours trying to get some of these games to work and I feel like I should document this somewhere. There are quite a few games that will not run in JPC-rr and won't be TASable anytime in the near future. All of these games either throw processor exceptions or an error message about "int 15h" not being supported.
Descent
Wacky Wheels
Terminal Velocity
Quarantine
One Must Fall 2097
Basically, the newer the game is, the less likely it gets that it will work in JPC-rr. Also for the record, Windows 3.1 won't work (even with an MS-DOS boot disk). Although there are still a couple games I want to do, I feel like this emulator is getting close to the end of its usefulness for me. Hopefully we get a miracle and somebody makes DOSBox-rr at some point.
All of these games either throw processor exceptions or an error message about "int 15h" not being supported.
Descent
Wacky Wheels
Terminal Velocity
Quarantine
One Must Fall 2097
Damn, this is a sad list of games to not be TASable. Will also hope for dosbox-rr!
I just had a frustrating couple of hours trying to get some of these games to work and I feel like I should document this somewhere. There are quite a few games that will not run in JPC-rr and won't be TASable anytime in the near future. All of these games either throw processor exceptions or an error message about "int 15h" not being supported...
I've been playing around with getting CD games functioning in JPC-rr.
I've created a new FreeDOS boot image (HDD instead of floppy) that installs the CD-ROM driver.
Then I made a CD image of Warcraft (well the data portion at least--JPC doesn't support CD-DA discs).
I then assembled JPC with the following settings:
*The new FreeDOS boot image mounted in the hda slot
*A blank 256mb disk image mounted in hdb slot
*the warcraft data CD image mounted in the CD-ROM slot
*changed boot device to hda instead of fda
I was able to perform a full-install of the game from the CD to the blank drive and run it.
Further, I was able to then dump the drive with the installed game on it to a new disk image and then re-import that dump for a new mountable game image.
I can run the game from this new game image as well (even using the floppy FreeDOS boot image) as seen below:
Link to video
Sorry about the odd sound (it may be resulting from using a different boot disk than what I installed with).
For what it's worth, the console reports the "error message about "int 15h" not being supported" both with the installation program and starting the game itself; but all seemed to work fine thus far.
I don't yet know about games that need to access the CD drive for data during gameplay, but this is at least a good start.
I just wanted to show that the "15h error" may not be a death sentence for some games.
In my opinion, this may be a big step toward getting many other games to work with JPC-rr.
It would be really awesome if somebody could make a any% TAS of Commander Keen 6 on easy difficulty. I believe the fastest TAS of the game at this point is that of Turska in 3:20.25 on hard difficulty. Since the any% category of this game uses easy difficulty, it would be nice to see how fast a TAS could finish it.
Also, I speedrun Commander Keen 6 any% myself and my PB is 3:23.19 (with some major mistakes), and my sum of best is a 3:19 (with manual splitting so not 100% accurate). So a sub 3:20 should definitely be possible for a TAS!
I don't have any experience with making a TAS, but perhaps someone here is up for the challenge!
It would be really awesome if somebody could make a any% TAS of Commander Keen 6 on easy difficulty. I believe the fastest TAS of the game at this point is that of Turska in 3:20.25 on hard difficulty. Since the any% category of this game uses easy difficulty, it would be nice to see how fast a TAS could finish it.
Also, I speedrun Commander Keen 6 any% myself and my PB is 3:23.19 (with some major mistakes), and my sum of best is a 3:19 (with manual splitting so not 100% accurate). So a sub 3:20 should definitely be possible for a TAS!
I don't have any experience with making a TAS, but perhaps someone here is up for the challenge!
Generally the TAS standard is to use the highest difficulty setting available. Unless there's reason for using a lesser difficulty (different game-content not seen at higher difficulties), it's frowned upon to use an easier setting simply to yield a marginally faster time.
I don't have any experience with making a TAS, but perhaps someone here is up for the challenge!
Well, if you're ever interested in trying, there's a great community here that would be happy to help you out! I agree with DrD2k9, a run on easy would most likely not get published here, but there are a myriad of other dos games that have yet to get a TAS.
I'm not sure if I mentioned it already but...
Sink or Swim
Link to video
It's another childhood game of mine. Objective is to guide all the running men to the exit. There is also an SNES port of this game, but the graphics differ slightly (and perhaps the level design, too). Unfortunately, the game has quite the ton of levels... As a kid I only managed to play the first three or four, but there are actually at least 50. Each level doesn't seem to take very long, though.
Objective is to guide all the running men to the exit.
Is it like Lemmings?
More or less, yes.
Watch the video I linked. You control a hero character, wander around the stage to press switches, place bombs, etc.
When enough men are rescued, an exit opens that you take to go to the next level.
I think even though this game has a lot of levels, they go by so quickly so maybe it can be completed in 20 minutes. I might look into it myself sometime, but I will make a thread when I do.
So I tried running Fallout recently, and that too succumbs to the "int 15h" error. One thing I missed every time I saw this error is that it's coming from the BIOS. It makes me wonder if there is any BIOS we can plug into JPC-rr to get these games working. I tried using the newest version of the Bochs BIOS and VGABIOS to no avail. It would be interesting to try extracting the BIOS from DOSBox and plugging it into JPC-rr, but I have no idea where to start or if it would even be compatible. Either way, I think it's worth looking into other BIOS.
So I tried running Fallout recently, and that too succumbs to the "int 15h" error. One thing I missed every time I saw this error is that it's coming from the BIOS. It makes me wonder if there is any BIOS we can plug into JPC-rr to get these games working. I tried using the newest version of the Bochs BIOS and VGABIOS to no avail. It would be interesting to try extracting the BIOS from DOSBox and plugging it into JPC-rr, but I have no idea where to start or if it would even be compatible. Either way, I think it's worth looking into other BIOS.
I looked into this briefly as well, but couldn't figure out how to extract it from DOSBox.
If we could, that'd probably be our best bet.
That or the error means the BIOS is calling for something the program isn't designed to do.
It could just be that JPC-rr is built for only Bochs. I was able to successfully import a few other BIOS, but they throw up various errors and show nothing on the screen. This might be a dead end.
Some more failures:
Monster Bash (Tried this a long time ago, never posted it. Runs at about half-speed for some reason)
Creepers (Also tried a while ago. Kind of works, but arbitrarily freezes sometimes)
Elder Scrolls: Arena (needs EMS. Try running EMM386 in JPC-rr for a fun message)
System Shock (int 15h)
The Incredible Machine (no idea? Just a black screen with no error messages)
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slamo wrote:
Descent
Wacky Wheels
Terminal Velocity
Quarantine
One Must Fall 2097
IIRC, all these games use DOS/4G(W).
slamo wrote:
The Incredible Machine (no idea? Just a black screen with no error messages)
Windows version of this might be better anyway?
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Descent
Wacky Wheels
Terminal Velocity
Quarantine
One Must Fall 2097
IIRC, all these games use DOS/4G(W).
Warcraft uses DOS/4G(W) and also gets the int 15h error but still works on jpc-rr.
It seems to me that these errors/details are common with games that don't work, but not universal. If someone is interested in TASing a particular DOS game, just try it.
Relevant thread I just made: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=469654#469654
I've gotten Wacky Wheels and One Must Fall 2097 to work properly using this method. Some other games hang up on loading screens, but at least we can get a little more out of this.
I've gotten Wacky Wheels and One Must Fall 2097 to work properly using this method. Some other games hang up on loading screens, but at least we can get a little more out of this.
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Evil_3D wrote:
Is possible TAS "Abuse" currently?
This game has a good TAS material for me
Yes please!
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