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Finally, what about replacing Sonic with some other Sonic? We've had quite a few new concepts published recently.
[2593] Genesis Sonic 3 & Knuckles "Knuckles, ring attack" by TheYogWog in 1:14:55.91 TheYogWog max rings challenge will be a nice movie recommended for newcomers, unlike the any% genesis Sonic TASes this movie show a different gameplay style, non-trivial goal and a high entertaining value. Seing every new Sonic any% TAS become very zip-abuse every time this drop the entertaiment value and people don't like it. [3339] Genesis Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog 2 "ring attack" by Evil_3D, WST & Zurggriff in 45:01.63 We have the same movie tipe but in Sonic 2 too as Knuckles, the same explained above. Or the classics any% updated [3584] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog 2 by Zurggriff & Aglar in 17:40.08 [3570] Genesis Sonic the Hedgehog by Aglar in 14:13.87 About other consoles I suggest for newcomers to vary a bit: [2464] GC Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut "Sonic" by THC98 in 30:12.02 [2779] GC Sonic Adventure 2: Battle "Hero Story" by THC98 & itsPersonnal in 27:12.38 [2662] GBA Sonic Advance "Amy" by GoddessMaria, Grincevent & VanillaCoke in 15:25.80 [2035] DS Sonic Colors by VanillaCoke in 26:37.80
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Oh and also we probably need to replace SMB3 warps with something, because the overdose of Mario is quite deadly atm. Maybe with one of these? [1297] SNES EarthBound by pirohiko in 1:10:00.95 [2592] SNES Chrono Trigger by keylie in 2:17:08.86
I don't see a reason to remove SMB3, it's a very fitting movie for the Newcomers recommendations. Even though there are 4 Mario games in the list (including one ACE), each of them is pretty attractive to newcomers in its own way.
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I'd pick S3K ring attack from all the Sonics. Its rating is way higher than of it's more optimized S2 counterpart. Seriously, the latter only gained a single freaking vote within a year it exists. And ring attack goal itself feels quite innovative compared to zip-backwards-and-several-minutes-of-scrolling-screen in every level.
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My opinion about this category: REMOVE N64 The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask for being extremely outdated.There's just no way an outdated route for an constantly changing game should remain as an example of TASing.Get something else 3d like Banjo-Kazooie. SNES Super Metroid (JPN/USA) "reverse boss order" in 46:42.38 by Saturn. I'm not a big fan of the reverse boss order because i don't know what the actual order is,since i've never played it.I really find the megaman runs clearer in their TASing since Megaman probably shouldn't be inside the ceiling or walls. I know you guys hate fighting games and all that jazz, but could you please put at least one glitch and combo exhibition from Mortal Kombat or any of the Capcom Versus Series(mvc,xmenvssf,mvssf)? Anything please.I think the Capcom games would be better to represent the Arcade section too, and Magician Lord would be another great representation of the platform. For RTS,any WC2 run is cool and the RPGs, I also vote for the suggested Chrono Trigger.
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So I don't know how much this is worth, but: I've been working on the new speedrunning thread for SomethingAwful forums, since our old one is outdated. It's also going to be the TAS discussion thread with how closely linked speedrunning and TASing is these days. For this thread, I've wanted to include lists of example runs and TASes for someone who is mostly new to the concepts. I considered a number of criteria when I picked these (and I did make use of the Newcomer page and what's been said in this thread when picking some of my examples). I fully realize that my purposes are similar, but not completely identical, to the purposes of the Newcomer page. Preferably, the game should be known. The videos shouldn't be too long, because for someone who isn't already into the thing, it shouldn't be a big project for them to look at an example, so I set a hard limit of one hour. The videos should show gameplay such that it's clear that it's being played at a superhuman level, and it should be possible to understand what the deal is without reading the submission comments. For my purposes, I decided to forgo any input recognition shenanigans like Family Feud or Brain Age, and also didn't find room to include any playarounds. I was originally planning to have the list consist of five TASes, while my example speedruns list had ten runs, but the TAS list ended up with ten runs on it too (and that was the maximum I wanted). I came up with this. F-Zero X Jack Cup is an absolutely perfect example of what I was going for - anyone can figure out how a racing game is supposed to work, will see that what's going on in that video is certainly something else entirely, it's done in a way that a human player couldn't hope to replicate, and it's short. Mega Man X1, X2 & X3 is a fantastic example of something being done with TASing that's out of the ordinary, not really human-replicatable, but still retains the original gameplay. I chose SM64 70 stars over 1 key, because the gameplay in the 1 key run doesn't really resemble Super Mario 64 any longer - it's completely incomprehensible to someone who hasn't kept up with what's happened in Super Mario 64 TASing over the years. 007: Nightfire I picked because it was suggested in this thread, even though I haven't really seen it myself and don't know the game, so I trusted you guys - I considered Goldeneye instead, but I didn't want all my 3D TAS examples to be of N64 games. And for context, this is my list of example speedruns: A number of these are marathon runs rather than the world records, entirely because of marathon runs usually having solid commentary to explain what's going on, which was one of the things I was going for.
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http://tasvideos.org/Movies-NES-SNES-Group21-RatingE-Obs.html The vote count is really low, but the very fact that -infinity's previous run SOMEHOW beats ALL... is kinda telling. Newcomored the current run of -infinity, even though it only has a single vote. http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Genesis-Group20-RatingE.html Sonic is odd, because the recommended run still has the highest entertainment rating, while S3K ring attack is the only one of top Sonic runs that has rates lower than 8.
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And I'd replace Gradius with one of these: [2505] GC Super Smash Bros. Melee "Adventure Mode" by numerics in 10:23.48 [1955] SNES Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3 "playaround" by SDR, Thevlackdemonn2294 & Dark_Noob in 30:28.38 My vote is for absurd funny glitches of UMK3. I'm not picking Marvel x Capcom, because its rating is lower than any of the above.
I disagree. The Mortal Kombat run is confusing and doesn't explain well what a TAS is; I instead find the Super Smash Bros run much more appropriate.
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Alright, after watching both, this is what I think. UMK3 has screens like this which you can hardly beat. And it reduces the Nintendo overdose, both character wise and conceptually (dark tribal caricature gore and brutality over bright and childish happy universe). But the former is a bit too long, while showing the same chars, the same backgrounds, basically the same moves and slightly varying glitches. And the latter presents levels and chars that are unique every time, so they have unique moves, and the run is 3 times shorter. So SSBM is more condensed and versatile, while not being less intense.
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I think the rating system need to be change, because almost the new movies has a low rating compared to old ones with the pass of the years. What about of conbine the Youtube publications likes/dislikes with the rating system of the page? I mean, showing the ratings of YT in the publication page, where is showed the mirrors/comments/rating, to be honest TASVideos channel is growing more and more and the TAS movies become more known, I think it would be good to combine the YouTube rating with the actual. Or implement a rating system for visitors that does not require login to the page, just need an email and a confirmation by mail to avoid abuse, they are just ideas.
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There's no way to poll youtube views/likes right now. And we don't want to blindly add that in, so it'd need human to evaluate in the end. And youtube views and likes can be botted easily. Our rating can't. So while the rating system does indeed have major flaws, it's still more stable than youtube if you think about it.
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[1613] Arcade The Simpsons "4 players" by adelikat & DarkKobold in 13:37.73 I suggest this movie for newcomers, there's not Arcade movies for newbies yet and shows how a TAS can push a game to the limits using 4 players
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[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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I also would like to suggest that we replace [3050] NES Super Mario Bros. 3 "arbitrary code execution" by Lord_Tom in 08:16.23 with [3358] GBC Pokémon: Yellow Version "arbitrary code execution" by MrWint in 05:48.28. both movies are very entertaining to watch, but I feel that Pokemon Yellow's is far more technical and leaves you thinking "what did I just watch?".
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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EZGames69 wrote:
I also would like to suggest that we replace [3050] NES Super Mario Bros. 3 "arbitrary code execution" by Lord_Tom in 08:16.23 with [3358] GBC Pokémon: Yellow Version "arbitrary code execution" by MrWint in 05:48.28. both movies are very entertaining to watch, but I feel that Pokemon Yellow's is far more technical and leaves you thinking "what did I just watch?".
Also has the advantage of having a Pokemon movie in recommended for newcomers and everyone knows that Pokemon is extremely popular.
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I also feel like it's an example of payload improvement in all possible senses, even tho watching Mitch playing ACE'd SMB3 was unforgettable.
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Really any of the current Gen 1 Pokemon publications would be good for a newcomer tier, having stretches of widely recognizable gameplay and stretches of TAS-only strategy. MrWint's ACE and Gifvex's Blue NSC being the most thoroughly documented in my opinion.
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I also agree for MrWint's Yellow ACE. I wonder why wasn't considered earlier.
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[3899] Linux Celeste by buhbai, euni, fishmcmuffins, keylie, DevilSquirrel & KT in 27:04.43 if it does make it to stars (which I would be surprised if it didnt), then this should definitly be reccomended. as it's one of the most popular speedrun games as of now
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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If you want to recommend something for newcomers, make a tutorial or even the process how you find these and those glitches! In spite of owning several publications already, I understand almost nothing of how exactly to execute described glitches in "Recommended for newcomers" publications and, what's more, to test those glitches in other games. I truely appreciate your describing skills, but until we have no illustative tutorials that involve various glitch executions, no-one of newcomers will follow these question boxes at the corner of some movies that were caught by their attention.
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While that is an interesting opinion on the teir, I think personally the teir is better perceived as showing what a good example of a “perfect” tas is. Somthing that balances incredible optimizations of well known video games and showing a basic idea of what TASes are all about. In this case. Celeste is a fast pace precision platformer that contains many options for speed, which is why it’s become one of the most popular speed games. It also shows off the tools used for PC tasing and what those tools can accomplish.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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[1899]GBA Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance (USA) "Maxim" in 00:22.73 by Yuzuhara_3 [1145][Fastest Completion]Genesis King's Bounty (USA/Europe) in 00:09.93 by gia & Aqfaq. Ideally they'd have an explanation in their description explaining what just happened (whip launch and perfect RNG) but they're fine as is.
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Is it possible to change the recommended tier for [3595] NES Rockman 4 Minus Infinity "all items" by Baddap1 in 34:43.72? After a bit of research, this movie was given the teir to replace MegaMan 2 after it was mentioned here that it was too similar to RTA. This then prompted feosto suggest Minus Infinity to replace the one MM2 was using. However compared to the majority of the recommended movie list, this one sits at the bottom. What I want to know is when feos offered suggestions for what to replace MM2 with, why did he not suggest [1686] NES Mega Man by Shinryuu & finalfighter in 12:23.34? It has about the same entertainment rating as compared to MM2, and it also is completely different to RTA runs due to how broken the game gets by the end of it. That being said, I actually dont agree about MM2 losing it’s tier at all, especially in favor of RMI. When I think of reccomending a MM tas to someone, my first thought isnt going to be for RMI. I think we should discuss if we’re going to replace the tier for RMI, we should give to either [1686] NES Mega Man by Shinryuu & finalfighter in 12:23.34, or come full circle and give it to [4006] NES Mega Man 2 by Shinryuu, aglasscage & finalfighter in 23:44.50.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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It's not a tier, it's a flag. When it was originally created, adelikat and I discussed which MM movie should have it. We agreed that MM1 is just broken into pieces, while with MM2 you can understand what's going on, even tho it's also highly bugged. So MM2 was selected. With MM1 it's extremely hard for a newcomer to understand what is happening when a level just stops, it requires advanced knowledge of NES internals. With MM2 it's just physics, which is why it can be replicated in real time. I'm not sure anymore which MM game should have the flag. RMI was picked because I saw the rating and contents of its predecessor, and it was awesome, but "all items" just stayed in the dumpster in terms of ratings for whatever reason.
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I dont see why MM2 cant be flagged. I disagree with the idea that if it’s too simmilar to RTA that it cant be recommended. Maru said this in the discord (which I wish he posted here instead of me doing it):
I don't really think the gap between RTA and TAS is a major factor. The SMB3 warps TAS does not have as big of an edge compared to the RTA record anymore (at about 21 seconds accounting for timing differences), but it still is a great demonstration for surprising routes in World 8 and shows how to make autoscrollers entertaining.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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[4089] Linux Celeste "100%" by euni, fishmcmuffins, keylie, dahlukeh & Lanvilla in 1:27:36.12 since it's already confirmed that this will go into stars, I wanna suggest this for newcomers
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing