This topic is for the purpose of discussing #5281: hidaigai, Comicalflop, Dooty & Umihoshi's SNES Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest in 37:29.40

Good New Wrong Warps in 4-3, 5-1 & 5-3, and with new optimizations on TAS! Yes Vote!

Really interesting Wrong Warps! Also nice job with lag reduction strats.

I was following all the progress on nicovideo, and I watched the final run a few days ago when I saw the Lua script on the front page. New tricks, old ones being reinvented, things that looks like would waste time instead of saving... Well, I have to congratulate you, Hidaigai, it's a pleasure to see my favorite game of all time getting so much love. :)

I didn't know there're more players involved.

Everything seems new to me too, but Hidaigai has used TAStudio to create this TAS, so I assume he borrowed some of the input from the published movie.

Hi hidaigai. It's nice to see you again. Good to see another Donkey Kong Country 2 TAS with improvements. By the way, there is a Mega Man X2 100% (Zero parts) TAS that was recently submitted. We put you as author because your input from your all upgrades TAS helped us very much.

very nice run, really enjoyed it, YES vote

anyone working on an encode for youtube?

nice run with some cool tricks, voting yes! In the encode the time diff list for 5-2 has : 102.7 (new) , 102.8 (old) , diff=0, what's happening there? Rounding?

anyone working on an encode for youtube?

I could upload something to Vimeo or a file hoster, but not YT and it would take a few hours.

Thanks a lot, everyone! >Amaraticando As Dooty says, I borrowed some of the input from the published movie. So, Comicalflop, Dooty & Umihoshi are the real authors. >Dooty Your 2 TAS & Lua are very helpful. Thank you. Espesially in G ver TAS, I am very surprised at 3-6 barrels skip & 6-2 3bees skip. Btw, I have 2 questions. 1. About your 102% TAS, you used cheat mode. How many frames did cheat mode save? 2. Are you making Donkey3 Any% TAS now? >FractalFusion Nice to see you. Nice True 100% TAS! I vote yes now. Reverse wall kick & Sigma battle with open message window is funny. lol (I think lag of MMX2 is stronger than that of DKC2.) >Synx Can you watch nico movie? (Maybe tasvideos channel will publish this TAS in youtube.) >Alyosha "Diff" is FramesSaved / 60, not strictly Time(Old) - Time(New).

1. About your 102% TAS, you used cheat mode. How many frames did cheat mode save? 2. Are you making Donkey3 Any% TAS now?.

1) The 75 Kremcoins trick saved about ~4000 frames by leaving a conversation with Cranky outside the run. (the conversation is now part of the credits, kind of) 2) No, I'm not. I'm working on an update of QuakShot. (Genesis) I just tested Bleak's skip to see if switching to the Japanese version was worth it. And yes, it's worth to do the any% run of DKC3 on J ver. But not the 105%, as you still need the coin he gives you.

For those who don't want to register at nicovideo: just exchange nicovideo.jp with nicozon.net and it will work. So in this case it would be: http://www.nicozon.net/watch/sm29962607. In my opinion, it should always be nicozon. The run seems to be well done.

>Dooty 1)I want to know effect of cheat mode, not 75 coin trick. This TAS shows 1f barrel trick in 1-1. This trick cancels lock time after DK barrel is busted. Do you think that cheat mode is nessesary for 102%? 2)In recent Noco, speedrunning of DKC3 is popular. So, I wanted to know if someone are making now. (About DKC2 Any% & MMX2, JP rom is faster than USA rom. I should have made TAS with JP rom. Why haven't JP rom been used?) >partyboy1a I see. I add link for no nico users to this submission page.

hidaigai, check your inbox.

I'm curious about the encode of this. The music is discordant in some places (like the castle levels) and porting it to lsnes (where the sound is not glitched) isn't trivial, because every level transition (and sometimes inside the level) there's lag divergence. The total time would be like 2 seconds longer, but the gameplay is expected to sync.

For those who don't want to register at nicovideo: just exchange nicovideo.jp with nicozon.net and it will work. So in this case it would be: http://www.nicozon.net/watch/sm29962607. In my opinion, it should always be nicozon.

>partyboy1a I see. I add link for no nico users to this submission page.

The video is embedded using tasvideos code, so there should be no problem playing it even if you don't have an account. (Just click the arrow on the embed.)

>Amaraticando I see. If music of bizhawk is too discordant, I will consider using lsnes. (Tastudio is the best tool for me. So, I want to use bizhawk.) >FractalFusion Thanks. As you say, after I logout nico I can watch the embedded movie. >Synx Why do you require an encode for youtube?

>Dooty 1)I want to know effect of cheat mode, not 75 coin trick. 2)Why haven't JP rom been used?)

1) Oh, sorry about it. The cheat mode makes the game "harder" by removing the check point barrels. But it also makes it "easier" by giving your partner back after a bonus or stage. (You can take damage to save time more frequently with cheat mode active) But no, it's not needed to achieve 102%. 2) It was an old rule or guideline to use USA Roms. It's not the case anymore, so J or even PAL roms can be used.

(Tastudio is the best tool for me. So, I want to use bizhawk.)

Makes me want to improve on my MtEdit script for lsnes and get things to fancy levels. It's a fairly old script, but it might work for beta23 as is. I haven't watched this run yet, so I can't really say much about it. Just lurking through the messages and saw this.

hidaigai, I sent you another PM >_>

I'm curious about the encode of this. The music is discordant in some places (like the castle levels)...

It appears that the default sync method in BizHawk (Clock Throttling, which should theoretically be more accurate) is causing distortions in the audio by speeding it up when it shouldn't. Playing the run with Audio Throttling set plays the audio correctly, and still syncs through the whole run.

>Dooty Thank you for telling me basic rule of cheat mode. I think you estimated which is faster, cheat TAS or no cheat TAS for 102%. (So you made 102% TAS with cheat mode.) How many frames is cheat TAS faster than no cheat TAS? (I want to know detail of your estimation.) >FatRatKnight Thanks. If I use lsnes, I will try to use this lua. >evknucklehead As you say, after I set "Audio Throttling" music is normal. (Bonus stage music is normal!) Thank you!

How many frames is cheat TAS faster than no cheat TAS?

It's hard to say exactly because the first run that uses cheat mode also introduced new tricks; without cheat -> http://tasvideos.org/1629M.html 1:23:10.88 and with cheat -> http://tasvideos.org/1264M.html 1:22:17.17 Sorry for the lack of accurate info, but that run was made using TAS Editor, when I was just learning how to TAS.

>Dooty Thanks. I study old TASes. Fortunately I find comparison movie. http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm12339918 (But, about 6-3 & Klobber Karnage, TAS route and speedrun route differ.)