Joined: 8/14/2009
Posts: 4090
Location: The Netherlands
Warp wrote:
Samsara wrote:
Speaking of posting something in the context of a discussion, do you have any Vaulted movies you want to see moved to Moons?
Well, as I wrote earlier, I don't think any Vault movies should be moved to Moons. I think that the current Mooned any% and 100% movies should be elevated to Vault status. IMO.
Warp, there are other threads for debate and ideas on how site policy and tier structure should work. They have already been linked to.
If you have nothing to contribute to this specific topic, which is moving movies in the current site system, then please refrain from posting in this topic.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
Joined: 11/13/2006
Posts: 2823
Location: Northern California
Warp wrote:
I was asked a question.
My question was on-topic, your response guided it back off-topic. If you have anything further to say about your topic, there are other threads for it, including one that was linked not a few posts earlier that you've posted this very same idea in before.
I didn't want this thread to turn into yet another "change the site" discussion, I merely wanted to try to give some Vaulted movies a little more exposure, maybe get people to actually notice them and discuss them and see which ones could use a bit of a promotion. Can we please keep it that way from now on?
TASvideos Admin and acting Senior Judge 💙 Currently unable to dedicate a lot of time to the site, taking care of family.
Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
Joined: 8/14/2014
Posts: 188
Location: North Kilttown
I would agree with those listed. Actually if I could get specific, I, having not watched any of the Battle Network runs, was surprised despite its length how entertaining it was.
Joined: 8/14/2009
Posts: 4090
Location: The Netherlands
Radiant wrote:
Any thoughts on those?
Quick thoughts:
Moving into Moons: I agree with Ghosts 'n Goblins and Mega Man Battle Network 2. Disagree with The Karate Kid and Hydlide.
Moving into Vault: I agree with Spyman and Nikujin. Not yet fully decided about Syobon Action, leaning towards Vault.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
I think Nikujin, and Spyman probably too, very much belong in the Moons tier. They're short, quick, and show a number of visible and obvious speed tricks.
If those go to vault, so will in theory a lot of other current Moons exhibiting a similar level of quality to those two movies, which implicitely raises the bar for Moons. If that is the desired outcome, then go ahead.
The rest I'm undecided about.
I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Current projects: NES: Tetris "fastest 999999" (improvement, with r57shell)
Genesis: Adventures of Batman & Robin (with Truncated); Pocahontas; Comix Zone (improvement); Mickey Mania (improvement); RoboCop versus The Terminator (improvement); Gargoyles (with feos)
Emulator Coder, Site Developer, Site Owner, Expert player
(3576)
Joined: 11/3/2004
Posts: 4754
Location: Tennessee
[980] NES Snow Bros. "2 players" by Randil in 13:56.85
Entertainment rating of 3.8 and pretty clearly not moon material. I think it is in moons because it can't be in the vault because the 1 player run is there and faster (only any% and 100% in the vault).
Therefore, I propose that we have the 1 player movie obsolete the 2 player, I think that would have been the better decision back when 1 player was published, and it is not too late to do that now.
I'm willing to give some leeway on entertainment ratings for moon movies (especially since ratings are not that accurate, and there is no definition of what a moon movie's rating should be). But 3.8 is awfully low, and I think a vast majority of people would agree it is not moon material.
It should also be noted that the 2 player TAS is very old and is more than likely unoptimized. It is entirely possible that the 2 player could be faster than the 1 player when optimized, and would then obsolete the 1 player. We need someone to look into 2 player because it would be a shame if people automatically assumed that 1 player is faster for this game because the 2 player is obsolete.
And yes as it is, the 2 player should be vaulted and then obsoleted.
[980] NES Snow Bros. "2 players" by Randil in 13:56.85
Entertainment rating of 3.8 and pretty clearly not moon material. I think it is in moons because it can't be in the vault because the 1 player run is there and faster (only any% and 100% in the vault).
Therefore, I propose that we have the 1 player movie obsolete the 2 player, I think that would have been the better decision back when 1 player was published, and it is not too late to do that now.
I'm willing to give some leeway on entertainment ratings for moon movies (especially since ratings are not that accurate, and there is no definition of what a moon movie's rating should be). But 3.8 is awfully low, and I think a vast majority of people would agree it is not moon material.
How many more frames cost when using one-arm bandit in 2 player one?
[980] NES Snow Bros. "2 players" by Randil in 13:56.85
Entertainment rating of 3.8 and pretty clearly not moon material. I think it is in moons because it can't be in the vault because the 1 player run is there and faster (only any% and 100% in the vault).
Therefore, I propose that we have the 1 player movie obsolete the 2 player, I think that would have been the better decision back when 1 player was published, and it is not too late to do that now.
I'm willing to give some leeway on entertainment ratings for moon movies (especially since ratings are not that accurate, and there is no definition of what a moon movie's rating should be). But 3.8 is awfully low, and I think a vast majority of people would agree it is not moon material.
How many more frames cost when using one-arm bandit in 2 player one?
It takes only a cursory look to see that the 2 player run is noticeable faster on most stages, although ironically, not the first few. As stages get more complicated, it's often a full second or two ahead. The advantage is completely wiped out by the ~13 extra seconds per bonus stage times four bonus stages.
It's obviously suboptimal, but it's also ancient.
Unless anyone strongly objects, I'm going to change the 2-player run to Vault and have it obsoleted by the 1 player as dunnius suggested.
Great, but if you're going to recategorize some runs, please check the other suggestions in this thread as well. Assuming you agree with them, of course.
Joined: 11/13/2006
Posts: 2823
Location: Northern California
adelikat wrote:
Unless anyone strongly objects, I'm going to change the 2-player run to Vault and have it obsoleted by the 1 player as dunnius suggested.
I don't strongly object, however I'm mildly opposed to the idea of just obsoleting it with an already published movie. I'd rather wait for a new 1P movie to obsolete it rather than just quietly setting it to obsoleted (I can already see Alyosha submitting it actually), but if it does happen this way I'm not going to complain about it. So I guess I've rendered my own opinion irrelevant. Way to go, me.
Has this happened in the past? I'm curious, now.
TASvideos Admin and acting Senior Judge 💙 Currently unable to dedicate a lot of time to the site, taking care of family.
Now infrequently posting on BlueskywarmCabin wrote:
You shouldn't need a degree in computer science to get into this hobby.
[2870] NES The Last Ninja by illayaya in 08:01.11
Both of the published TASes of this game have received fairly unenthusiastic ratings. This one was handed a lowly 4.6, which, needless to say, isn't a particularly common rating for Moon movies. From watching it, I don't see much particularly jumping out as moon material. Anyone disagree?
EDIT: I'm not a newbie anymore! This... is really important.
Feos' rating of 1 is clearly dragging down that Last Ninja TAS by a lot. I personally don't think it's moon material, but it's a recent publication with only 3 votes. Moving it to vault would probably be jumping the gun.
YoungJ1997lol wrote:
Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.
Moderator, Senior Ambassador, Experienced player
(908)
Joined: 9/14/2008
Posts: 1014
NitroGenesis wrote:
Feos' rating of 1 is clearly dragging down that Last Ninja TAS by a lot. I personally don't think it's moon material, but it's a recent publication with only 3 votes. Moving it to vault would probably be jumping the gun.
You bring up a valid point, we should probably wait until a minimum number of ratings or time has passed. Having said that, I've discovered that time can really change people's perceptions...
Emulator Coder, Site Developer, Site Owner, Expert player
(3576)
Joined: 11/3/2004
Posts: 4754
Location: Tennessee
[2555] GBA Advance Wars by Kiske & mtvf1 in 13:33.39
I stumbled on this recently. It is a vault movie with a 6.4 entertainment rating. I rated it a 6 (which on my scale means a solid moon-worthy movie). It only has 5 votes, but none of them are lower than 6 in entertainment.
Maybe this is a good moon candidate?
