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#4149: gbreeze's GBA Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World in 10:02.39

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Super Mario Advance 2 is the GBA port of Super Mario World. The gameplay and levels are almost the same, with some minor differences. This run beats the previous one by 500 frames.

Game objectives

Aims for fastest time
Takes damage to save time
Abuses programming errors

Differences between the SNES and GBA versions

Items dropped in the GBA version lose x speed
Jumping off an item makes Mario lose his x speed
Major Yoshi glitches are not possible
There is only one button for running and flying

Level by level comments

Yi4: 15

Optimized the shell jump.

Iggy: 33

Minor optimizations and a new method of jumping off the p-switch saved some time.

Dp1: 35

Used a faster method of getting the feather.

Ds1: 72

Got the red shell faster, avoided a fish, and improved the end.

Dsh: 224

Clipped through the stairs and flew in the second room.

Sw1: 306

Used ISM’s smashola-like glitch by wallcatching the cave wall.

Sw2: 333

Keeping flying status when getting the key saves 27 frames.

Sw3: 346

Optimized the ending by swimming down with the key.

Sw4: 377

Started flying earlier, optimized the end, and avoided having to slow down to get the shell.

Fd: 403

It is faster to take damage in room 2 than to keep the cape (pointed out by Mister).

Bowser: 500

Using the new Bowser strategy and hitting the mecha-koopas lower saves 97 frames.

Suggested screenshots

17912, 21943

Addresses

03003FA9 - x speed
03003FAD - y speed
03003FD0 - x position
03003FD4 - y position

Special Thanks: ISM and Mister, for discovering and pointing out some tricks in this run.

feos: Many places were mentioned where this run loses time and doesn't use the tricks that are known for years. Rejecting due to sub-optimality. As for the region, lag will likely count when choosing the version, otherwise only solid gameplay will matter.

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Posted: 1/1/2014 2:59 AM

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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4149: gbreeze's GBA Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World in 10:02.39

Posted: 1/1/2014 9:31 AM

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Is this becoming a frame war?

Posted: 1/1/2014 10:33 AM

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thatguy wrote:

Is this becoming a frame war?

Same runner, about 4 seconds saved. NOPE. Still questioning the Bowser strat and why the SNES way wasn't used

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Posted: 1/1/2014 1:00 PM

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Spikestuff wrote:

thatguy wrote:
Is this becoming a frame war?
Same runner, about 4 seconds saved. NOPE.

maybe he is schizophrenic ?

Posted: 1/2/2014 8:44 AM

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Link to video Got told in IRC due to 30sec. lag in Jap but I digress like always I mentioned this and I'm mentioning it again. Giving it a no. That is all. Because it's still improvable even if Jap is slower U/EU can be improved more.

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Posted: 1/2/2014 9:51 AM

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No too; I did found a frame improvement in overworld also.

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Posted: 1/2/2014 1:08 PM

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Lag or text doesn't count for slower/faster version to use, only different glitches count.

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Posted: 1/2/2014 1:47 PM

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TASeditor wrote:

Lag or text doesn't count for slower/faster version to use, only different glitches count.

The rules don't mention lag specifically, besides text it just says: "differences in title screen, cutscenes, and menus (unless menus are the game's main control interface). " I guess that this does include lag, but if the TAS can improved by gameplay anyway, why not doing it on the version that lags less?

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Posted: 1/2/2014 2:13 PM

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andypanther wrote:

TASeditor wrote:
Lag or text doesn't count for slower/faster version to use, only different glitches count.
The rules don't mention lag specifically, besides text it just says: "differences in title screen, cutscenes, and menus (unless menus are the game's main control interface). " I guess that this does include lag, but if the TAS can improved by gameplay anyway, why not doing it on the version that lags less?

Crash Bandicoot is an example that we can use. Pirohiko uses Japanese to avoid death abusing to get Box counts (Killing self still generates box counts). but Marcusboy95 ~~(NOT MUKKI)~~ uses the American version and has to death abuse in order to save time to skip box counts. The math apparently is NTSC-U is the faster one due to it completely skipping the box count scene and going to map (This is calculation of each of the fastest deaths and every time there is a box count scene compared to box count scenes).

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Posted: 1/2/2014 2:22 PM

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I'm not going to interfere in competition, but I have to mention obvious (possible) improvements which have been well-established in the SNES runs, before it enters a rather meaningless frame war. If anyone is working on an improvement, then I'm very sorry to make this post; the following ideas are all well-known and provide nothing new. Also, because I watched your run via the nico encode, I can't check the exact input, and the following could contain some errors. Thank you for your understanding.

C1. My point might not have understood. The method in the submitted run looks better than before, but spinjumping with small mario is still useful in this situation so as to control your height. That's demonstrated in this movie. You'll possibly go further before catching the fence.
C1, Iggy's room. I'm wondering if it is useful to keep pressing the jump key at the very beginning of the Iggy fight. It makes your falling speed mild so you lose less speed on the ground. I'm not sure if you've already checked it. It's mentioned just in case.
DS1. Are you sure if there's no loss when entering the first pipe? I mean, there could be loss of a frame if you are just keeping 1/1. Details are explained in this movie. Roughly, you have only to stop 1/1 just before the first pipe entry.
DSH. In fact, we can slide through the stairs as in the SNES run. That's performed in the same movie in a highly optimized form. Just copying inputs from that run will not work. You must try hard to pull it off, or learn more about qualification. It is possible, being verified by ISM. Cf. Post #300412.
DSH. In the second room, you can turn around at grabbing the p-switch, just as done in the recent runs, e.g. 1944M.
Bowser. Did you really make sure whether being caped would be faster or not? It's not so easy to compare two ways without examining.
Though I didn't mention any other standard optimization tricks such as cornerboost and cornerclip, there should be a lot of points at which they are useful to save time. It's rather within a frame war area in my opinion.

Wow, what a huge list... There are a lot to work on. Good luck, and thanks again. Oh I was about to forget to vote. No vote from me.

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Posted: 1/5/2014 10:14 PM

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No due to improvements some of which have been known for many years. I comment only to mention as to why using USA version is a reason to reject when J or EU version is faster. In SNES SMW, in the E version, Mario runs/flies faster and Door #5 in BACK DOOR can be skipped without waiting for any spikes at all. I have a bad encode of the trick here: SMW - Door 5 break (I originally intended as April Fool's joke). Plus, this version has much less lag and might be faster for the TAS by several seconds. The J version on the other hand is faster due to text on save dialog and switch palaces so either of these versions would be better. Our SNES SMW runs aren't rejected for version difference so I don't know why it should apply here. Maybe I just misunderstand, I don't know.

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Posted: 1/6/2014 4:06 AM

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bahamete wrote:

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Well, if I redo this run, should I do it on the Japanese version?

Mister wrote:

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Oh, I didn't know about some of that stuff. Thanks! By the way, do you know the addresses for x speed and position in the Japanese version? I'm testing the C1 idea right now.. I also feel like ds1 and sw1 are un-optimized. Also, for the ds1 improvement, does the same apply for getting the blue Yoshi in sw2? I tried to optimize it by stopping 1/1.

Posted: 1/6/2014 4:07 AM

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gbreeze wrote:

bahamete wrote:
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Well, if I redo this run, should I do it on the Japanese version?

Spikestuff wrote:

Got told in IRC due to 30sec. lag in Jap but I digress like always

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Posted: 1/6/2014 7:06 PM

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gbreeze, what are your plans?

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Posted: 1/6/2014 10:08 PM

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feos wrote:

gbreeze, what are your plans?

I plan on improving it in the future, but I don't have the addresses for the Japanese version. It'll also take a while for me to finish it, so don't expect a new run anytime soon from me. Eventually I want to submit a better run, but not nearly soon enough to cancel this run. Edit: Just found the x speed address. The run still won't be done in quite a long time though.

Posted: 1/7/2014 10:37 AM

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gbreeze wrote:

bahamete wrote:
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Well, if I redo this run, should I do it on the Japanese version?

If that question was directed at me, maybe you should actually read my post. I don't think this movie should be rejected based on version differences, only because of known improvements. By the way, maziari is working on improvement to this run, he has saved 13 frames up to dp1 (I hope he won't mind me saying) - maybe you could contact him and work together rather than 2 separate runs being created. I look forward to an optimal one. :)

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Posted: 1/7/2014 11:14 AM

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If it gets TASing with public WIPs and posts in a thread, the chance of not losing time at all would become way higher. We won't be seeing various people coming and telling how much time was lost.

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Posted: 1/7/2014 10:15 PM

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bahamete wrote:

gbreeze wrote:
bahamete wrote:
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Well, if I redo this run, should I do it on the Japanese version?
If that question was directed at me, maybe you should actually read my post. I don't think this movie should be rejected based on version differences, only because of known improvements. By the way, maziari is working on improvement to this run, he has saved 13 frames up to dp1 (I hope he won't mind me saying) - maybe you could contact him and work together rather than 2 separate runs being created. I look forward to an optimal one. :)

Oh, okay! Well, I started a run on the Japanese version, and 59 frames of lag are saved from using that version. Oh alright! I actually found his twitter account; it seems he saved 17 frames (11 on yi3 and yi4). I was able to save over 6 frames on C1, so maybe we could work together. I'm currently trying to figure out how fadeout lag works.. it seems like it works with the frame (and maybe the x position) the goal post is touched..

Posted: 1/9/2014 2:53 AM

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gbreeze wrote:

bahamete wrote:
gbreeze wrote:
bahamete wrote:
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Well, if I redo this run, should I do it on the Japanese version?
If that question was directed at me, maybe you should actually read my post. I don't think this movie should be rejected based on version differences, only because of known improvements. By the way, maziari is working on improvement to this run, he has saved 13 frames up to dp1 (I hope he won't mind me saying) - maybe you could contact him and work together rather than 2 separate runs being created. I look forward to an optimal one. :)
Oh, okay! Well, I started a run on the Japanese version, and 59 frames of lag are saved from using that version. Oh alright! I actually found his twitter account; it seems he saved 17 frames (11 on yi3 and yi4). I was able to save over 6 frames on C1, so maybe we could work together. I'm currently trying to figure out how fadeout lag works.. it seems like it works with the frame (and maybe the x position) the goal post is touched..

There is no reason you have to use the J version. You can use U or J (U is preferred however). Read this: http://tasvideos.org/MovieRules.html#UseTheCorrectVersion

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Posted: 1/9/2014 3:05 AM

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gbreeze wrote:

Oh, okay! Well, I started a run on the Japanese version, and 59 frames of lag are saved from using that version.

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gbreeze wrote:
bahamete wrote:
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Well, if I redo this run, should I do it on the Japanese version?

Spikestuff wrote:
Got told in IRC due to 30sec. lag in Jap but I digress like always

I'm sensing deja vu on what I already wrote

Buddybenj wrote:

There is no reason you have to use the J version. You can use U or J (U is preferred however). Read this: http://tasvideos.org/MovieRules.html#UseTheCorrectVersion

As for you Buddybenj read what I wrote HERE. On the same topic!

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Posted: 1/9/2014 8:33 PM

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Posted: 1/9/2014 9:43 PM

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I understand how this run is sub-optimal, but does it not still beat the current run that is published at this site? I may not understand the TASVideos rules completely.

Posted: 1/9/2014 9:50 PM

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A movie must use known tricks. Otherwise: imagine someone obsoletes an old movie by a second, and we ignore timesavers it missed and accept it (due to being faster by raw numbers). Then the other week another 1-second improvement is submitted. We accept it too. And so on. One would be able to drawl really improving movies for years. To avoid such spam of small improvements, we require the movie to use all known tricks. Sometimes some of them are still missed, but it's another story when known improvements are considered not worth redoing - it is when a run is overall optimal, and of a very high quality. When it's overall suboptimal (too much known improvements), we won't publish it even it is an improvement. #4041: McBobX's Genesis Knuckles in Sonic the Hedgehog in 14:09.43

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Posted: 1/9/2014 10:14 PM

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gbreeze wrote:

I understand how this run is sub-optimal, but does it not still beat the current run that is published at this site? I may not understand the TASVideos rules completely.

There is a TAS of this game on TASVideos already? I didn't see it. Could you link me to it?

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Posted: 1/10/2014 2:11 AM

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Buddybenj wrote:

There is a TAS of this game on TASVideos already? I didn't see it. Could you link me to it?

Are you serious: [2229] GBA Super Mario Advance 2: Super Mario World "warps" by Masterjun in 10:07.98 Not that hard to find. Fairly old (2011) and completely sub-optimal but it was accepted never-the-less.

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