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Posted: 6/8/2009 4:30 PM
Post subject: Castlevania - Nocturne In The Moonlight [Maria]
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Lets inogurate this board with castlevania :p Well, the run is in the workbench, but today somebody (sorry i dont remember who!) pointed out in IRC that i should use the save point in inverted castle to refill MP and blast out medusa, i think its a good idea Anyway, ill post here improvements and ideas as i progress trought making maria run a bit more "perfect" :D
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Posted: 1/27/2013 3:10 AM
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Posted: 3/15/2016 9:43 AM
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Link to video Old WIP I did on Bizhawk. Redoing it on Yabause because savestates aren't broken on it. Literally the only thing it does better >_>
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Posted: 3/15/2016 5:55 PM
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Finally a new Saturn SotN WIP.
arukAdo wrote:
On saturn version its not possible to use the glitch to get outside the inverted keep like in this movie with richter on psx, in order to make maria movie a little more entertaining, im using the glitch to get outside chapel, witch is not available on psx. Alltought from what i could test so far, it would be faster (not by a lot) to stay inside the castle.
Do you plan to keep this trade off? I'm really looking forward to the finished movie. :)
Posted: 3/15/2016 7:34 PM
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A trick was discovered involving that, actually. Via some screen shifting it's possible to skip an additional half screen, which ends up being slightly faster.
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Posted: 5/2/2019 8:01 PM
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I found that you can get a faster movement pattern if you hold the opposite direction when doing the horizontal kick, this allows Maria to cancel her kick earlier and perform it again. this saved about a second from my testing but I didnt do much comaprisons, I just know it's insanely faster. Link to video
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 5/3/2019 3:37 AM
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I look forward to seeing the completed run.
Posted: 5/14/2019 6:51 PM
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Link to video More progress.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 5/30/2019 7:13 PM
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Made a few changes to the beginning of the run, including a strat at 1:43 that I'm really proud of. Link to video movie file: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/55574426168858942
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 6/14/2019 2:28 AM
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I have reached the end of the game, now I just have to do further optimizations and this will be submitted, this will probably take at least a month to further optimize. but here is what I currently have. Link to video bk2 file here: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/55891380195907095
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 7/15/2019 3:05 PM
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So I am getting demotivated on working on the all bosses category for this game, and it all has to do with the glitched boss fight of Maria vs Maria. so I already explained my concern with doing this boss in this post: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=485982#485982 I had hoped that there could be a way to eliminate the time it took to get the statue to move so I can get the clip faster. one method I thought of was to grab a stopwatch subweapon, because the way the other statue in that room opens up is if you activate the watch in that room. while that method does push maria out of bounds, it unfortunately does not act in the same way as the other statue clip does. Instead what happens is maria just falls on the ground instead of falling through the floor. This leaves me with having to do the clip in the other statue, which I have 2 options for: 1. I do the clip as soon as I enter the clock room for the first time and wait a minute before it moves again 2. revisit the room at a later time but this time, entering the clock room from the top of the statue. because if you're in the way of the statue, it will open up just so you can get through then close back up again. I could time it so this would happen as soon as the statue is about to open again, which would eliminate the wait time to get the clip in. this will require a change in the RTA route as I have no reason to re-visit the area that the statue opens up. I wanted to make a movie that would entertain not just myself, but others too. But I just cant see this boss fight being anything but entertaining due to the tedious and pace halting setup it requires. and especially now that I'm required to fight that boss, it makes this increasing difficult to want to continue working on this movie.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 7/15/2019 3:42 PM
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And if you just listen to your heart and skip that glitched boss fight, labeling the movie with something fitting, there's a high chance it gets downvoted for skipping the boss fight. Tough situation. But we've seen tougher! :D
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Posted: 7/15/2019 4:05 PM
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the inclusion was meant to be more of a "hey look at this silly thing that I can do" thing, but it's turned more into a "you HAVE to include it even if it detracts from entertainment", which is exactly what this setup does. if people find that setup to be fine then I guess I cant argue against it, it's just boring for me personally.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 7/15/2019 4:12 PM
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I'm also prepared for tons of downvotes for including that boss fight. Yep, I've seen some things over the years, I won't be surprised at all. But at least the goal of "all bosses" would be solid.
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Posted: 7/15/2019 4:13 PM
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feos wrote:
I'm also prepared for tons of downvotes for including that boss fight. Yep, I've seen some things over the years, I won't be surprised at all.
Indeed, I personally also expect the reaction to be fairly split over inclusion vs exclusion.
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Posted: 7/15/2019 4:20 PM
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then I'm going to ask the community again. I want people to actually give me their opinions on this: Do you think this boss fight should be included in the all bosses tas? Link to video Right now this video shows the exact way to set it up, it would require me to change a few time settings to make it slightly shorter but otherwise it would require me to stand in the statue for a minute to get the clip. other method would be to come back later in the game and do the boss but to enter it from above the statue, but there's no guarentee that it will have a smooth route change.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 7/15/2019 4:29 PM
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For reference: https://www.speedrun.com/sotn/run/y2q6g57y It is probably safe to say this run is gonna be 25+ mins long at the very least. Thus, the time spent on waiting isn't even that long relatively speaking. I also find that glitched cutscene entertaining to watch.
Posted: 7/16/2019 12:57 AM
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Do whatever RTA rules do imo. But it could be worth convincing them to add this boss in. Issue I have with this boss is if you add it, what's to say you shouldn't do several runs with several characters in an "all bosses" run to actually fight all bosses
Posted: 7/16/2019 1:17 AM
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The8bitbeast wrote:
Issue I have with this boss is if you add it, what's to say you shouldn't do several runs with several characters in an "all bosses" run to actually fight all bosses
The fact that it's specifically "Maria All Bosses" covers that last bit.
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Posted: 7/16/2019 1:24 AM
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That's what I'm trying to (not so elegantly) get at. Since it's not a Maria boss I would feel that it shoudn't be in all Maria bosses. That being said, it could add some entertainment, so it could be worth it. I'm pretty close to 50/50 on this decision to be honest.
Posted: 7/17/2019 2:59 PM
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My opinion is that if you can reach the boss by some means, you should fight it. See Julius in Aria of Sorrow.
Posted: 9/12/2019 7:59 PM
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Link to video
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 10/27/2019 6:53 PM
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Link to video I FINALLY PULLED IT OFF!!!!!
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
Posted: 10/27/2019 9:12 PM
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Just posting this for documentation sake. You can get a grey flame when casting the fireball spell. It's very rare, I'm guessing either 1/256 or 1/128, but if you can pull it off it does double damage. Link to video
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