Do tell :)
I don't remember this incident so this was quite shocking to me.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Can you please stop polluting this thread with that shit? Go on the SDA thread and read for yourself you moron. Another thing I'm tired of is people failing at basic online etiquette.
Can you please stop polluting this thread with that shit? Go on the SDA thread and read for yourself you moron. Another thing I'm tired of is people failing at basic online etiquette.
This comment is so ironic it’s actually comical.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish
[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol
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Take it easy Svimmer :)
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
My comment had nothing to do about cheating, but that all runs aren't kept at archive.org, which was also what I quoted so it should have been obvious =).
Missed this reply earlier: that's what it seemed you meant but this was such a tiny pedantic nitpick (you're talking about one run in thousands Tompa) that I thought that can't possibly be why you brought it up. Unless you're saying there's further implications to the cheated runs being removed?
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1 in 1000 or not, it has still happened, which was my point. And to me, removing the runs from archive.org as well makes less sense than that the run gets removed when someone deleted a Youtube account, despite this indeed being more common.
But yeah, take it easy in general here, Svimmer. Sit back and enjoy some God of Thunder instead =).
You get exactly the amount of respect you've earned, my friends.
If this is how you respond to people not liking SDA, then you have a negative amount respect from anyone.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish
[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol
Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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Everyone hates SDA
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Bisqwit wrote:
Question.
Why do we care? We neither have nor claim to have exclusivity over tool-assisted superplays. To my knowledge, SDA neither has nor claims to have exclusivity over high-quality archives of live-play superplays.
Question.
Why do we care? We neither have nor claim to have exclusivity over tool-assisted superplays. To my knowledge, SDA neither has nor claims to have exclusivity over high-quality archives of live-play superplays.
To be fair, this forum topic was started essentially as an advertisement for SDA; basically trying to make people (who don't already know that it does) aware that SDA exists. Svimmer wrote:
...I'm obviously really just writing this here for all the new folks that may not actually have been exposed to SDA as a concept.
From there, the topic seems to have morphed a bit.
Frankly, both sites have unique value and independent audiences (even if there is some overlap from some users frequenting both sites). For that reason, I personally don't see a purpose in bickering about which site is better/worse.
Think about it this way:
Having two independent RTA speedrun sites in existence, is no different than it would be if another TAS site popped up independently from TASvideos.org
Some people would prefer our site, others would prefer the other. Some people would frequently visit both.
There's nothing that suggests that these two independent sites should be forced to collaborate/agree on site regulations. Nor is there anything suggesting users on the first site should be held to the regulations of the second site.
Each site's rules and regulations are unique to that site and don't cross over to the other, even if there are similarities in those regulations.
IF one or both of these sites were trying to claim exclusivity, then I could see some grounds for debate. BUT, to my knowledge, speedrun.com (being the newer site) was not created in attempt to obsolete SDA (being the older site).
Also, to my knowledge, neither speedrun.com nor SDA has claimed exclusivity on being THE archive for RTA speedruns; they are each simply AN archive of RTA speedruns, independent of the other.
Let me preface this by saying that I have absolutely nothing against SDA. Quite the contrary. I got into speedrunning very early, had contact with both Radix and nate, and the first speedruns of mine that got onto the internet did so by way of my physically mailing a VHS tape to nate for capture.
It's just that SDA isn't a relevant institution in speedrunning anymore.
SDA was the site for everything speedrunning at the time when recording, capturing, and uploading could be a bit of a pain. Then the livestreaming boom happened - hardware got cheaper, software got better, internets got faster, everything just became more accessible. The possibility for people to self-publish their own gameplay videos opened up in a massive way, there was no longer any need to depend on a third party to get your videos onto the internet. Streaming live when you played also changed how many people even approached games - you had an audience to interact with, to entertain. A lot of new speedrunners popped up.
SDA utterly and comprehensively failed to capitalize on this.
There did exist a window for SDA somewhere in the early 2010s, where they could have taken this new, still developing paradigm of speedrunning, put it front and center, adapted to it, revamped the site for it, and put themselves at the forefront of the next generation of speedrunners, like they had for the last one. The spotlight was on SDA as their greatest success in the form of the GDQ marathons started growing, they had the attention, they had a golden opportunity to ride on that - become a hub for it all, the videos, the livestreams, the marathons, establish leaderboards. It was all there.
Instead the exact opposite happened.
SDA stuck with their old ways that didn't really make sense anymore. SDA and GDQ eventually split into two related but still distinct from each other institutions. SpeedRunsLive and Speedrun.com showed up, and especially the latter of the two kind of ate SDA's lunch. SDA just... had nothing left that was relevant in the new era of speedrunning.
They had their chance and they didn't take it, opening up the arena for new actors that are now well-established. Sad as it it to say, the train is long gone for SDA to bring it back. It's just, ironically, too slow at doing what it does, with the sheer amount of runs and PBs and WRs and everything that gets made every day now. Yes, SDA has never claimed to be a world record site, but a repository for high-quality videos of speedruns - a claim that's increasingly been feeling like an excuse for the way the site is run, because a repository for high-quality speedrun videos - ignoring the fact that it isn't really hard for anyone to upload their own HD speedrun to Youtube or whatever - isn't an attractive feature in the current speedrunning environment anymore.
I'm grateful for a lot of things that SDA has done. It, together with m2k2, was extremely instrumental when I first got into speedrunning, and I'll always consider it fondly. But it's no longer offering anything that the majority of speedrunners or speedrun watchers actually still care about. I know you really want it to be a relevant site again, but unless another paradigm shift happens in speedrunning and SDA makes sure to be first in line for that, the opportunity to bring it back was lost long ago.
It's time to let go.
The crash wasn't your fault.
Det man inte har i begåvning får man ta ut i energi.
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My "speedrunning career" definitely started by finding SDA in the first place and having the opportunity to trying and recreate what I've read and saw from the published run's. Also the Half-Life thread made me to register to this community (TASVideos) and eventually become a TASer.
So.. I would like to be constructive and help, but I really don't know what could the TASVideos community do for the SDA community. Nor what is your expectations about getting a solution with enough gains and minimal losses.
What I don't really understand is that there are multiple RTA communities but it seems like they don't like each other. Did you tried to contact them again?
Oh and extra notes about my problems with different RTA sites (SDA+speedrun.com mostly:
- So many invalid and out dated informations scattered
- Inability to search for what you want (you want to check a crossplatform game's run on platform X? It's fucking impossible).
- Way different rules and "verifications" that doesn't make any sense.
Without any intend to attack, would like to ask, do you intend to continue your project detailed in this thread? Thread #14328: TASVideos Documentary Thread: Vital Info in 1st Post
PhD in TASing 🎓 speedrun enthusiast ❤🚷🔥 white hat hacker ▓ black box tester ░ censorships and rules...
Didn't SDA start as (almost exclusively) a site for Quake speedruns? The good thing back in those days was that Quake speedruns didn't need to be recorded as video, but they could be recorded as relatively small "demo" files, which anybody could replay on their own computer if they had a copy of Quake. Thus bandwidth and storage space wasn't a problem.
Of course nowadays it's more common and convenient to just stream speedruns live, and then archive PBs, and submit them to these sites (well, mostly speedrun.com, I suppose), because you can do this with any game, and it doesn't need support for any replay data files. As you say, SDA for some reason couldn't keep up with this innovation.
On that note, I think the Quake section of speedrun.com is quite a disappointment. There are only 4 entries on the nightmare any%, 5 entries in the easy 100%, and 3 entries in the nightmare 100%. For some reason this isn't a very competed game at speedrun.com (which I find quite strange, given how much Quake is speedran overall.)
Also, apparently speedrun.com doesn't do segmented Quake runs, which is my favorite category for that game, which is also a disappointment.
Didn't SDA start as (almost exclusively) a site for Quake speedruns? The good thing back in those days was that Quake speedruns didn't need to be recorded as video, but they could be recorded as relatively small "demo" files, which anybody could replay on their own computer if they had a copy of Quake. Thus bandwidth and storage space wasn't a problem.
Yep, that's why the name is what it is. It was exclusively a Quake speedrunning site until Radix did his Metroid Prime run, and then it snowballed from there.
Warp wrote:
Also, apparently speedrun.com doesn't do segmented Quake runs, which is my favorite category for that game, which is also a disappointment.
Speedrun.com doesn't do segmented runs, period. This is another paradigm shift in speedrunning brought on by two factors: first being livestreaming, so many people livestream their attempts and single-segment full game runs are just more interesting to people like that, and secondly the fact that just the concept of saving your game has undergone a paradigm shift itself. These days it's all checkpoints and autosaves and stuff like that - doing a segmented run is simply not even possible with certain games. You can't go back to a previous save, even in types of games where it would make sense - I'll copy my comparison between doing a segmented run of Super Metroid and doing a segmented run of Hollow Knight that I posted over at SDA when this was being discussed.
Super Metroid:
1. Start the game and start recording.
2. Start a new game.
3. Play up until the save room where you want to end the segment.
4. Save your game and stop recording.
5. Return to the title screen.
6. Start recording and load your save.
7. Play your next segment. If it went well and you want to keep it, go back to step 4. If you fucked up and want to redo it, stop recording and go back to step 5.
Hollow Knight:
1. Start the game and start recording.
2. Start a new game.
3. Play up until the bench where you want to end the segment.
4. Save your game and stop recording.
5. Return to the title screen (we presume that all segments have to start with loading the save file).
6. Quit the game entirely, or just alt-tab out of it.
7. Find the save file and make a backup of it in another folder.
8. Get back to the title screen and start recording.
9. Load your save.
10. Play your next segment. If it went well and you want to keep it, go back to step 4. If you fucked up and want to redo it, stop recording and continue to step 11.
11. Quit the game.
12. Overwrite the save file in the game's save folder with your backup from step 7.
13. Launch the game and start recording.
14. Go back to step 9.
People absolutely aren't going to bother with the latter, and that's if you're playing on a system where you even have access to your save files. Single-segment becomes the only thing you can do in a number of games, so it becomes the standard by pure necessity, and the mindset of that is brought over even to games where you technically can do segmented. Segmented runs have more or less been displaced by individual level runs or game-specific non-full game categories.
Technically not something that's a factor in the decline of SDA, but SDA is definitely the last bastion for segmented speedruns.
Det man inte har i begåvning får man ta ut i energi.
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Probably the last thing I'm bothering with over here:
KennyMan, I don't think you get SDA. You're not different from the rest in that respect. Maybe it's poor communication on our part, but it's certainly also much simpler than that: you clearly never wanted SDA. You wanted speedrun.com. That's fine. But SDA is not a poor man's speedrun.com.
What SDA should be in 2019 is not what someone was envisioning in 2010 that it should become. It can and does still currently work perfectly well as a curated feed of runs with a viewer-friendly attitude. The quality check that you were talking about... are you seriously unaware that it always meant both A/V AND run quality? We KNOW A/V quality hasn't been a common issue for a long time. We're not stupid.
"with the sheer amount of runs and PBs and WRs and everything that gets made every day now..." Who exactly has time to watch all of them? I don't WANT to see ALL OF THE RECORDS. I'll watch SOME of the records, if I know it's worth watching and if it comes with commentary so I can get what's happening.
???
KennyMan, I don't think you get SDA. You're not different from the rest in that respect. Maybe it's poor communication on our part, but it's certainly also much simpler than that: you clearly never wanted SDA. You wanted speedrun.com. That's fine. But SDA is not a poor man's speedrun.com.
What SDA should be in 2019 is not what someone was envisioning in 2010 that it should become. It can and does still currently work perfectly well as a curated feed of runs with a viewer-friendly attitude. The quality check that you were talking about... are you seriously unaware that it always meant both A/V AND run quality? We KNOW A/V quality hasn't been a common issue for a long time. We're not stupid.
"with the sheer amount of runs and PBs and WRs and everything that gets made every day now..." Who exactly has time to watch all of them? I don't WANT to see ALL OF THE RECORDS. I'll watch SOME of the records, if I know it's worth watching and if it comes with commentary so I can get what's happening.
Dude what are you even talking about
How does anything of what I said imply anything of what you accuse me of? How do I "not get" SDA? I've been part of the SDA community since, at the very least, looking at my SDA forum registration date, 2005. Quake done Quick with a Vengeance was together with m2k2 and morimoto's SMB3 TAS what got me into speedrunning in the first place. I was there in the pre-GDQ glory period of SDA and saw the site grow into what it was circa 2010. The entire problem that you are unwilling to accept is that it's stayed that way. It's perfectly fine if that's what SDA still wants to be - but then SDA also has to realize that what it is is in fact not something that a majority of the speedrunning audience today is interested in, having primarily moved on to watching livestreams and following specific runners/games.
Saying that I "never wanted" SDA kind of offends me, too. I like SDA. I've defended SDA a lot. I've never had any problem with SDA, as such. I might still submit runs to SDA in the future. But you're not doing a good job of painting the site in a positive manner when you seemingly refuse to acknowledge any of the reasons that SDA has lost relevancy and instead attack anyone who dare to claim that it has, saying that they "don't understand SDA".
You really need to ease up on that attitude if your goal is, in fact, to convince people that SDA is actually still relevant. Otherwise you're just going to push people away from it even more.
Det man inte har i begåvning får man ta ut i energi.
"I think I need to get to Snoop Dogg's level of high to be able to research this post." -Samsara
Read my fanfic, One Piece: Pure Corruption
Real question:
Why is Svimmer so butthurt about the fact SDA isn't relevant anymore? Everybody else explained way better, SDA site's staff never made an effort to get updated policies, improve the site's layout or anything else. They should be glad they made GDQ at least. By the way, you can find my posts in SDA too, i used to be a huge fan but it's no longer necessary to go there to watch good runs.
Besides, Svimmer is the worst kind of advertisement a site could get LOL. Just randomly insults because somebody else doesn't share his her excitement for a specific speedrunning site.
I want all good TAS inside TASvideos, it's my motto.
TAS i'm interested:
Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS?
i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
Besides, Svimmer is the worst kind of advertisement a site could get LOL. Just randomly insults because somebody else doesn't share his her excitement for a specific speedrunning site.
exactly my thoughts. I dont know what Svimmer was expecting to happen, no one is suddenly going to be on your side if you throw insults at them. If anything it makes me less likely to go check out SDA, it’s as irrelevant as MySpace.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't
12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!"
Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet
MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish
[Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person
MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol
Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
