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Final Fantasy VII is a 1997 RPG developed by Square. The game's story follows Cloud Strife, a mercenary who joins an eco-terrorist organization to stop a world-controlling megacorporation from using the planet's life essence as an energy source. Events send Cloud and his allies in pursuit of Sephiroth, a superhuman intent on destroying their planet. During the journey, Cloud builds close friendships with his party members, including Aerith Gainsborough, who holds the secret to saving their world.
Game objectives :
Emulator used: Bizhawk 2.3
Uses Slots
Doesn't switch CDs except when asked for
Heavy Luck Manipulation
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Doesn't switch CDs except when asked for :
It is possible to greatly reduce the length of FMV or even skip them by swaping Discs and tricking the game into loading the wrong one. However by TASVideos rules : "For games that consist of multiple images that are intended to be used in a specific order, inserting a new image is only allowed when the game explicitly prompts for it, and the intended order must be respected."
Slots :
Caith Sith Level 2 Limit is called Slots. The reels determine what various effects will occur, depending on the combination of the six symbols. Getting three Caith Sith triggers a move called "Game Over" that kills instantly the enemy (including Boss). This is very powerful and warrant two separate categories in the RTA community. As a first TAS, I went with the fastest way, which is using Slots.
Naming Characters :
As Dialog boxes don't load instantly, renaming our characters to one letter name sometimes saves a few frames by reducing the length of the dialog. Aerith is the only one we can't rename since we will skip this part, but the gain of the skip outweights it greatly.
ATB : Wait or Active ?
We nearly always want Wait because this allows us to manipulate the RNG to our favour. When a command is selected, all ATBs freeze. This can delay enemies' attacks, or make us wait for a better spot without the fear of the enemy attacking. There is one exception. We put Active before Bottomswell, because this makes Poison act way more frequently.
RNG in battle :
Changes every four frames. Is used for Damage, Attack chosen, Critical Hits, Miss, Steal,...
RNG in the field :
Changes every input-frame. Is used for Starting ATB, mini-games,...
Stats boost :
Every time a character gains a level, its stats can get boosted. This is determined by the RNG at the end of the fight. We can manipulate the boosts to our liking by simply delaying the final blow.
Critical Hits :
A Critical may occur based on Luck Stat and Levels from both you and the enemy. While we have very little maneuver on the Levels, we can increase Luck to the Max at every Stat Boost. Having 17 Luck for Guard Scorpion is the most desirable. Reaching the 22 mark for Jenova birth doubles our odds to Critical.
Weird Level Up :
By beating Heli-Gunner, Cloud also gets a Level Up, even if he is not in the party. This includes his Stat Boost and should be manipulated.
Field "Random" Encounters :
While in the field, there is 2 important values to keep track of. The StepID and the Danger value. StepID : 0x9c540 (1 byte) Danger : 0x7173c (2 bytes)
For every StepID there is a limit, which if the Danger is above, triggers a battle. Those values are set in stone and are the same everytime you start the game, which makes the encounters not really random. Every field has its own Danger stat, which is the value that gets added to the Danger everytime there is a check. Some are very low (32), some are very high (170). This value can get divided by 4 if you are walking on the frame of the Check. A check is performed every 16 frames of movement (at 60fps) on field with possible encounters. At this point, StepID is increased by 2 and Danger is increased by Danger stat. There is also a value that keeps track of how many times, StepID reaches 256 and roll over back to 0, so values of the StepID limits are different on each loop.
Now that we know that, how to efficiently reduce the number of encounters.
As we said, the game only checks every 16 frames and walking on a check reduces the increase by 4 times. So we can actually run for 14 frames and walk for 2 and get the same result as walking 16 frames, except covering more distance. This is called Stutter-Step.
Menu Glitch. If you press Menu on the frame a battle is suppose to start, you will effectively skip it. The game register that you got a battle but the Danger Value is not reset. This also has a downside. If there is no "random" encounter between a Menu Glitch and a mandatory battle, the latter gets to happen twice, resulting in a huge time loss. On the plus side, it only costs 80ish frames and if you have to go to the menu anyway, you can combine both.
Reseting the Danger Value. There is no other way around than accepting a battle and escape. As mentionned above, this has to be done before a mandatory fight if there was a Menu Glitch before. If one of our characters gets to act before all the enemies, he can freeze all ATBs and unfreeze it at the appropriate time for an instant escape.
Here is my Steps route for the whole TAS :
Keep in mind, that I have no programming algorythm knowledge, and I tried most of those by hand, so there is a 99% probability that there exists a faster route.
World Map Random Encounters :
Those are not fixed and can be easily avoided by changing direction or rotating the camera for one or several frames.
World Map movement :
The fastest way of travel is diagonally. If I do anything else, it's most likely for RNG manipulation purpose.
Dodge paralysis :
Activating two events at the same time (usually by talking to someone on the same frame you trigger the first one), results most of the time in keeping control of the character during an usual paralysis. It allows to exit the screen and ending the event without watching it, or to keep doing things while you're not supposed to.
Early game strategy :
At the beginning, our characters don't have strong moves even with Critical, but we can buy Grenades that do a lot of damage. It's by far the fastest way a dealing with enemies at this point.
Tsunaskip :
Found very recently by Tsunamods, this skip is done by clipping into the guards and getting past them to reach Wall Market right after the 7th Heaven. It saves a tremendous amount of time !
Boss Battle and StepID :
Some bosses are on a field with random encounters. For those one, you can manipulate the start of the fight and the StepID at the same time. Doing so, we can start the fight in Preemptive (used for Aps and Jenova Birth)
The Ether outside Aerith' house :
We unfortunately have to pick it up, as it will net us enough money to buy more Grenades.
Shinra HQ Elevator :
Very simple, the floor you end up on is determined by RNG. Since it changes every input-frame, very little manipulation is done to get the perfect outcome. 1 fight against 2 enemies and 3 Shinra employees.
Mayor Domino's Password :
We have to guess the password on the second try to get rewarded with an Elixir. We will need it later and this is by a huge margin the fastest way to get one.
Midgar Zolom skips :
Depending on your position in the swamp, it is possible to not get chased by the Zolom right away, which combining with diagonal movement, makes it possible to cross unarmed with very little manipulation. Right after, opening the menu on the right frame skips an event.
Junon :
We refill Grenades one last time. During the CPR mini-game, you need to reach a value of 41. The maximum you can get per turn is supposed to be 10, but if you press on the last frame possible you get 11. So you can get 41 in 4 turns instead of 5. During the parade, we don't want to aim for the maximum reward. We do need the 6 Ethers which will come very handy later. During the reception, I tried every single delay possible, and this is the fastest outcome I could get. It is possible to have better RNG, but it would require a slower preface, which wouldn't be worth it. We also need the Force Stealer Reward.
Bridge to North Corel :
We need to fight a Bomb, to steal a Right Arm from it. This item will one shot a boss later.
North Corel :
Little bit of shopping. We have now access to Tranquilizer and Hyper to respectively, reduce damage and boost Limit Gauge filling. We can also get Molotov, to replace the Grenades for the next couple of fights.
Corel Prison :
We now have Caith Sith who's gonna be the main killer for the rest of the run. In order to gain Slots, he needs to kill 40 enemies by himself. The 9 enemies from Prison are going to be dealt with Molotov which are slightly faster than Ifrit. If Cloud attacks inbetween, it is to freeze enemies' ATB while Caith Sith' one fills.
Dyne :
This is why we steal a Right Arm. Dyne is dealt with in a blink of an eye. Little manipulation so he doesn't counter upon death.
Chocobo race :
As it ends when the second place arrives, we need an opponent's Chocobo to be fast and to use its sprint at the beginning. Then we can push him a tiny bit each time by bumping into him until the end, where we finally get first place.
World Map :
We encounter an Harpy to learn Aqualung and we need to use a Tranquilizer to survive. Due to Harpy's AI, it cannot start with Aqualung, so it is a bit faster to manipulate it with Tifa to do it instead of waiting for the second turn. Caith Sith deals the final blow to increase his kill count to 10. Then we encounter two fights on purpose and make use of our newly acquired skill. As you can see, Aqualung requires a lot of MP, which is the reason we needed to win Ether in Junon.
Stinger skip :
You can avoid the two mandatory battles in Gi Cave, by triggering a battle on the same frame you hit the spider web. However you have to go to the menu one time beforehand or it won't work. If I run back a little bit before exiting the screen, it is to increase my StepID while the Danger stat is lower than it will be. This will avoid a "random" encounter later.
Gi Nattack :
The Elixir the mayor Domino gaves us kills him instantly. Caith Sith' kill count is at 27 after this fight.
World Map :
2 additionnal enemies are fought, because we can only get 11 in Mount Nibel.
Mount Nibel :
Caith Sith kills his 40th enemy before Materia Keeper and learns Slots. Now is just a matter of Caith Sith getting hit to fill his gauge (helped by Hyper) and use Game Over.
Tiny Bronco to Gold Saucer :
By moving diagonally, we could have saved around 50 frames from this trip. However, there is a framerule in the gondola ride which cancel this time save. BUT, how fast Aerith starts to speak after the framerule scene is based on RNG. By saving those 50ish frames earlier, we would lose more than 100 here. Whereas this pattern is optimal in total.
Note that it is not possible to date Barret with the Tsunaskip because we need to push barrels at Aerith in the church to lower her affection.
Temple of Ancients :
It is faster to get hit twice by an encounter than getting a hit from Demons Gate.
Bone Village :
We need to buy Hi-Potions for Caith Sith, but we also need to have a very low amount of Gil to save time later. So we buy 70 as well as a couple Phoenix Down to revive Caith Sith after Schizo. Pressing Confirm at the right time after digging gets you the Lunar Harp without having to open the chest.
Forgotten Capital :
We can open the chest from one floor above at the same time than starting to rest. This allows us to keep control of our character and skip one event. Don't exit the house too early or the glitch will not have effect and it will still be daytime.
Icicle Inn :
When Elena tries to punch you, dodge to the right. Then press Confirm at the right time, so you interrupt the Soldier from running and get a little skip.
Gaea’s Cliff :
Getting hit by Bio2 or getting 2 Blood Suck are about even, though Blood Suck requires more manipulation. We only need 3 Icicles down to proceed. Cloud gets the Dragon Armlet and a Tranquilizer to survive the next boss. Caith Sith gets Wizard Bracelet to enhance Aqualung. Caith Sith can survive Schizo, but this would require an extra menuing and lose time overall compare to just revive him afterwards.
Whirlwind Maze :
Getting hit by the wind triggers a battle. Once again, it is faster to get hit twice by an encounter than getting hit by Jenova Death, though not by much.
Junon 2 :
FMV Skip. After the cannon has fired, in the computers room, you actually have control over Barret despite his model being invisible. Which means you can exit the screen by the bottom and skip a whole bunch of FMV. Scarlet Slaping game. Despite looking way cooler, slaping Scarlet five times in a row is slightly slower than accepting your fate :(
Mideel :
A team of Red XIII and Caith Sith get the fastest dialogs.
Fort Condor :
This is why we had to spend a lot of Gil in Bone Village. You can set up a Tristoner for 1000 Gil and immediately destroy it. Once you don't have enough Gil anymore, the mini-game stops and you get a battle. Every 1000 Gil extra you have at the start of the mini-game, gets you an extra Tristoner and lose 70ish frames. Losing the battle puts us back at the entrance and we can proceed.
Train to North Corel :
The third enemy is too slow in hiting Caith Sith. Getting the Limit ready on the second fight is faster overall.
North Corel 2 :
Dodge Paralysis to skip an event. However we cannot exit by the right just yet. We have to go towards the Gold Saucer and back.
Mideel 2 and Cloud's Past :
There is absolutely nothing going on here... Very boring part imo...
Junon 3 :
Having Cid in the party for Junon increases the loading screens' length by 10-15 frames. Which means that it is faster to take Red XIII and switch to Cid after than getting Cid all the way. Getting attacked from both side. During those fights, we can abuse the fact that a Limit gauge being filled increase significantly the speed of the ATB right away. Thanks to that and combining with Wait, Caith Sith can act twice in a row and skip the Soldier's second turn.
Rocket Town 2 :
Switching Red XIII with Cid as Cid will be mandatory. Cloud gets his Power Wrist back to help one fight. Senior Grunt cannot be one-hit killed by Aqualung, so we have to find a way for its reminding HP. First one is done with a Critical Braver from Cloud. Second one gets 2 S-Mine.
Midgar Skip Glitch :
Hold Down+Right+Run before seeing Hojo and you will trigger the sequence battle instead of the normal event. This saves a lot of time too. Unfortunately, this glitches the music for the rest of the run...
Hojo :
Cloud needs to attack Caith Sith at the end to wake him up. Not much to add.
North Crater :
Save Crystal glitch. Take out the Save Crystal on the same frame you climb down and you get another dodge paralysis. This skips a lot of dialogs when spliting the party. In one of the field, we have to spend an extra 13 seconds to put the seed for a 0 encounter Final Descent in the right spot.
Safer Sephiroth :
Unfortunately Caith Sith can't survive his first attack, so somebody else has to get sacrificed. However, with Gigas Armlet and Defend, in addition to Jem Ring to avoid being paralyzed, he'll survive the second and boom... The End...
/// THANKS FOR WATCHING ///
Thanks to : antd and BrutalAl especially for a lot of their work (RNG, Critical Hits, Random Encounter, Early boss fights, dodge paralysis, Final Descent manipulation,...). This TAS couldn't have been done without them.

ThunderAxe31: Judging.
ThunderAxe31: Setting to delayed, in light of a possible improvement.


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Very nice to see this completed. It is a little boring to watch, impressive as the rng manipulation may be. It is most entertaining before slots.
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Yeah I know. Unless you're a FF7 speedrun fan it's most likely going to be very boring. I thought it needed to be done though since it's a classic. Just hope it won't end up in Vault.
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as much as I like seeing RPG tases, this one just doesnt appeal to me. The gameplay and the amount of cutscenes in the PSX FF games just make the runs unbearably long to the point where I get uninterested in them very quickly. voting no for entertainment but great job getting through the game non the less.
[14:15] <feos> WinDOES what DOSn't 12:33:44 PM <Mothrayas> "I got an oof with my game!" Mothrayas Today at 12:22: <Colin> thank you for supporting noble causes such as my feet MemoryTAS Today at 11:55 AM: you wouldn't know beauty if it slapped you in the face with a giant fish [Today at 4:51 PM] Mothrayas: although if you like your own tweets that's the online equivalent of sniffing your own farts and probably tells a lot about you as a person MemoryTAS Today at 7:01 PM: But I exert big staff energy honestly lol Samsara Today at 1:20 PM: wouldn't ACE in a real life TAS just stand for Actually Cease Existing
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Does "Slots" constitute any%/fastest completion for this game? Based on what I understand of it, it is, but I'd like to have confirmation for this. If yes, then it does not need to be a part of the branch name.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa <dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects. <Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits <adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
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Mothrayas wrote:
Does "Slots" constitute any%/fastest completion for this game? Based on what I understand of it, it is, but I'd like to have confirmation for this. If yes, then it does not need to be a part of the branch name.
Yes it is.
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I never played a game that requires switching disks, so can someone please explain how does it skip things, and why, or why not should it be used? Not trying to criticize the choice, just out of loop. Is there some exploit or something?
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I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I actually enjoyed this. It's about as entertaining as the other Final Fantasy games, so I see no reason as to why it shouldn't be accepted. Yes vote, and I would actually vote against having it just in a vault.
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Captain Forehead wrote:
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but I actually enjoyed this. It's about as entertaining as the other Final Fantasy games, so I see no reason as to why it shouldn't be accepted.
I never said it shouldn’t be accepted, I just said it wasn’t entertaining to me.
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The game is entertaining... But there's not much TAS to enjoy... For a close to 7 hours run, it's only 11 minutes faster than the RTA record, so it's pretty obvious cinematics take all the time. It's not that I don't like cinematics, it's just I want to be entertained by the TAS portion, and it seems a bit lacking. Again, it's my personnal opinion. I didn't watch the entire TAS, because it's pretty long, so I'll not vote. Whatever happens, I don't think it's too bad that a game like that go to Vault. It's still a any% record after all. When I first submitted my Final Fantasy run, I tough it would go to Vault for the same reason. I think it can deserve moon, but I'm sure the judge will be better than me to... Judge :P Finally, good work. It looks, on a technical standpoint, really well done. You can be proud :)
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Wobmiar wrote:
For a close to 7 hours run, it's only 11 minutes faster than the RTA record, so it's pretty obvious cinematics take all the time.
The upside to this is we're comparing a PS1 to a PS2 that probably has Fast Disk enabled.
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Wobmiar wrote:
The game is entertaining... But there's not much TAS to enjoy... For a close to 7 hours run, it's only 11 minutes faster than the RTA record, so it's pretty obvious cinematics take all the time. It's not that I don't like cinematics, it's just I want to be entertained by the TAS portion, and it seems a bit lacking. Again, it's my personnal opinion. I didn't watch the entire TAS, because it's pretty long, so I'll not vote. Whatever happens, I don't think it's too bad that a game like that go to Vault. It's still a any% record after all. When I first submitted my Final Fantasy run, I tough it would go to Vault for the same reason. I think it can deserve moon, but I'm sure the judge will be better than me to... Judge :P Finally, good work. It looks, on a technical standpoint, really well done. You can be proud :)
Yes it's barely faster because of loading times which really add up in a long run. If the TAS was done on a PS2 with Fast Disc Speed like the WR is, it would be way way faster like 6h15 or lower :) If you even compare with the segmented run done on PC, the segmented run is faster by a few minutes and it doesn"t use the big skip at the beginning.
jlun2 wrote:
I never played a game that requires switching disks, so can someone please explain how does it skip things, and why, or why not should it be used? Not trying to criticize the choice, just out of loop. Is there some exploit or something?
I asked in the "Ask a judge" section. Basically all the game is present on every CD, only the cinematics are different. If you swap disc before a FMV play, the game will play the corresponding FMV on the CD you load, which can be way shorter or non existant. But the rules clearly state that you cannot swap disc unless prompted.
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Lil_Gecko wrote:
Yes it's barely faster because of loading times which really add up in a long run. If the TAS was done on a PS2 with Fast Disc Speed like the WR is, it would be way way faster like 6h15 or lower :) If you even compare with the segmented run done on PC, the segmented run is faster by a few minutes and it doesn"t use the big skip at the beginning.
My bad then. I'm not an expert ^^ It's impressive :)
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Impressive work, Lil! Yes vote!
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Yes vote. It's the best any% ever and the music alone is enough to make it enjoyable to watch for me. It's too bad the Hojo glitch at the end robbed us of some of that great music. Oh well.
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Yes from me. Been hoping for an FFVII tas for years. Probably good that it was after the new midgar skip. Took me quite a while to actually watch the whole thing, but it sure is grand. Looked well done to me.
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I'm surprised to see Spike and EZgames voted no. I do agree with you EZ that RPGs especially long ones like this can be boring to watch but FF7 to me at-list doesn't suffer from this! I hope the remake which I hope will be out this year (most-likely not) will be even better that the original. I found this run fun to watch with a few wtf just happened moments still. Got my Yes vote!
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Bamahut wrote:
I'm surprised to see Spike and EZgames voted no.
Actually don't assume I voted since I haven't. If you look at submission time and my post time it's a bit of a hint as to the turnaround time being too quick (unless I watched it before submission as it was available, but I didn't*). As well as my Avatar which is throwing a white flag since long movies are long and full of suffering for a Publisher (and bonus, multi-disk). * As a note: Final Fantasy VII is my least favourite FF game. So if I was to vote on this I would be letting out a bit of bias against this TAS since I hate the game. So I'm refraining from voting... but not avoiding Publishing this oh joy.
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Actually I understand that people might find it boring. Especialy after Slots is learned. To add up, the most technical part which took the most time is the step route. What "random" encounter to get, how to avoid the others optimally. The thing is, unless you're very familiar with what's going on behind the scene, you can't tell by looking at the TAS that a lot of work has been done and I'm not just running from point A to point B and escape when I get one, which would add several minutes to the total. Finally, if it gets published, I would like that a note would be added to explain that Bizhawk loses several seconds to PS2 RTA on each transition screen due to loading times, which in turn explains why the final times are so close.
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Does the RTA community use Fast Disc Load when running FF7 on PS2?
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Finally done watching this. Yeah. Great TAS, not so great a game to run. Thanks for the patience in doing this game. There's a lot of games out there where the cinematics run > 50 percent of the content (and some of the best games here). Don't see any reason to hold that against you.
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boct1584 wrote:
Does the RTA community use Fast Disc Load when running FF7 on PS2?
Yes they do.
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I've wanted to see an FF7 TAS for a long time but am honestly pretty disappointed with the choice to use SLOTS. I haven't read the comments to see if anyone else has echoed this sentiment but I feel that the only impressive aspect of a TAS RPG is the battles since, generally speaking, traversing the world and progressing through text frame perfectly is . . . .. not entertaining. Luckily, the OST is spectacular so the 90% of time spent traversing the world and progressing through text is not wholly unbearable, and the semi-optimal step counting is respectable. Obviously, SLOTS certainly is the FASTEST method to end mandatory battles but I would gladly sit through an extra hour or more of SLOT-less gameplay if it meant I got to see creative battles using the myriad of low-level equipment and support in this game for such play throughs. All my SLOT-Bias aside, this is still a well made TAS given the tools available and the creation of which is a service that has been long awaited by many, I am sure - so that's gonna be a Yes from me dawg.
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The Brookman wrote:
I've wanted to see an FF7 TAS for a long time but am honestly pretty disappointed with the choice to use SLOTS. I haven't read the comments to see if anyone else has echoed this sentiment but I feel that the only impressive aspect of a TAS RPG is the battles since, generally speaking, traversing the world and progressing through text frame perfectly is . . . .. not entertaining. Luckily, the OST is spectacular so the 90% of time spent traversing the world and progressing through text is not wholly unbearable, and the semi-optimal step counting is respectable. Obviously, SLOTS certainly is the FASTEST method to end mandatory battles but I would gladly sit through an extra hour or more of SLOT-less gameplay if it meant I got to see creative battles using the myriad of low-level equipment and support in this game for such play throughs. All my SLOT-Bias aside, this is still a well made TAS given the tools available and the creation of which is a service that has been long awaited by many, I am sure - so that's gonna be a Yes from me dawg.
Don't worry, I completely understand your point of view. For the first FF7 TAS, I opted for the strict fastest possible but now that it's out of the way I'm 90% sure I am going to work on a No Slots run during the year to satisfy everyone. :)