Is the rule (written in the first post, and which spawned this topic to begin with) seriously this unclear, or do you just not read it?
Yes, it is very unclear in that it makes little sense. It seems that it actually doesn't matter what the content of the game is; the only thing that matters is the classification by some organization somewhere.
Therefore a game with full-frontal male nudity and explicit sexual acts, effectively soft-core porn, would be accepted if that organization didn't classify it as AO, but a game with no sexual content of any kind would be banned if it has that AO rating.
Which seems completely nonsensical. You are not objecting to the actual content of the game. You are looking completely blindly at some classification by some arbitrary organization in one arbitrary country.
So yes, it is seriously this unclear.
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It is as clear as it can possibly get. Take any game officially published in the west since the mid-90s and you will get a straight yes or no answer as to whether it is eligible or not. The questions you have asked so far have received clear answers as to whether they are eligible or not, and could have been looked up in seconds.
What you are saying is you are disagreeing with the methodology, because it is defined by "some organization". This organization just happens to be the industry standard for publishers, developers, retailers, sites etc. in the biggest western gaming country (by far), which TASVideos is also hosted on. It is a serious major organization, with serious involvement in the game industry, its retail industry, and many other gaming sites.
If you propose we invent our own rating or acceptability scheme, it most assuredly would be far less clear or transparent, on top of being a lot of unnecessary work. Is that really what you are aiming towards?
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It is as clear as it can possibly get. Take any game officially published in the west since the mid-90s and you will get a straight yes or no answer as to whether it is eligible or not.
Actually that's not true. Let's read the rule again (emphasis mine):
"Video games rated adult-only, or other adult video games with strong sexual content and/or extreme violence to AO standards, are not allowed."
The rule is not a binary "has an AO rating" choice. It says "has an AO rating or has such kind of content". Implying that having something less than an AO rating is not a guarantee for acceptability. And it's that last part that's being discussed.
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If a game is rated something less than AO, it has no AO content by definition. That part of the line only applies to unrated games, such as games that never were released in the USA, were released before the ESRB was founded, etc.
The answers I've given in his thread so far, going as far back as the fourth post of this topic, should have made this clear already.
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<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
That part of the line only applies to unrated games, such as games that never were released in the USA, were released before the ESRB was founded, etc.
Something the rule does not say. Maybe add that part to the rule, to make it, as you say, "as clear as it can possibly get".
But even with that addition, the question remains: Based on whose opinion does an unrated game contain "AO content"?
What about of add age verification on the page and forum? could serve?
If a movie with adult-theme is published it could be verified the age to access the Wips / publication in the page without putting at "risk" to the younger visitors / users. The same as TASVideoschannel in youtube, set up the video only to be seen over a certain age. Also add a sub-forum for these types of games that require age verification to enter
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Warp wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
That part of the line only applies to unrated games, such as games that never were released in the USA, were released before the ESRB was founded, etc.
Something the rule does not say. Maybe add that part to the rule, to make it, as you say, "as clear as it can possibly get".
But even with that addition, the question remains: Based on whose opinion does an unrated game contain "AO content"?
It is implied, but I admit that could have been worded more clearly. I'll reword it to more clearly state that that part only applies to unrated games. EDIT: Rule has been reworded.
For unrated games a judge will evaluate its acceptability (there's no other sane option really). For the sake of consistency with other games though (as much as is possible, anyway), it would be evaluated on whether the game's adult content is on the same level as what the ESRB would rate AO.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
If a movie with adult-theme is published it could be verified the age to access the Wips / publication in the page without putting at "risk" to the younger visitors / users. The same as TASVideoschannel in youtube, set up the video only to be seen over a certain age. Also add a sub-forum for these types of games that require age verification to enter
To be fair, simply having an age verification system to access certain content could be seen by many people as enough to consider the entire site unsafe for kids. It could give a picture of the site that's worse than it really is.
(I'm not saying I'm opposing the idea. Just thinking in a pragmatic manner.)
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Warp wrote:
Evil_3D wrote:
If a movie with adult-theme is published it could be verified the age to access the Wips / publication in the page without putting at "risk" to the younger visitors / users. The same as TASVideoschannel in youtube, set up the video only to be seen over a certain age. Also add a sub-forum for these types of games that require age verification to enter
To be fair, simply having an age verification system to access certain content could be seen by many people as enough to consider the entire site unsafe for kids. It could give a picture of the site that's worse than it really is.
(I'm not saying I'm opposing the idea. Just thinking in a pragmatic manner.)
This is one of the reasons I'm not a fan of the idea.
It's technically laborious, on top of being a large annoyance for viewers - especially if they're not sure they will even like what they have to go through extra hoops for to access.
And its effectiveness is dubious at best - these sorts of checks are generally notoriously easy to bypass, without really having a good way to circumvent exploiting that, and because of that they're often not considered much for child-friendliness.
http://www.youtube.com/Noxxa
<dwangoAC> This is a TAS (...). Not suitable for all audiences. May cause undesirable side-effects. May contain emulator abuse. Emulator may be abusive. This product contains glitches known to the state of California to cause egg defects.
<Masterjun> I'm just a guy arranging bits in a sequence which could potentially amuse other people looking at these bits
<adelikat> In Oregon Trail, I sacrificed my own family to save time. In Star trek, I killed helpless comrades in escape pods to save time. Here, I kill my allies to save time. I think I need help.
