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There are many methods for passing a classic game like Super Mario Bros, for example, warpless and walkathon. The movie I made aimed at a different strategy, to complete this game with the lowest score (500) without using replay, which is still scarce here.

Goals:

  • Complete the game with the lowest score (500)
    • As fast as possible
      • As entertaining as I can

How come 500 is the lowest score?

Good question. Super Mario Bros can be completed without touching any enemies or getting any goods, which few one could imagine I believe. The only necessary kind of points is getting 100 points when you grab the flagpole in each stages.
But getting the lowest score may not be as simple as you think. As a matter of fact, there really are some places where are hard to get through without any points. 4-2, for example. You can get no point either by climbing the vine with the help of the lift or by entering the pipe like I did in this run. And for the big hole in 8-1 that has 2 coins above it, you can hardly survive from that one.
In 1-1, 4-1, 8-1, 8-2, 8-3, you have to wait for the time decreases to 0, or you'll get more than just 100 points on the flagpole, possibly fireworks, too. I did the flagpole glitch everytime as same as always, because it's the fastest way. I have tried to make the flagpole send Mario to the left to end the level, but unfortunately it goes slowlier for some reasons.

A lowest score run can be entertaining

In people's opinions, waiting for the time goes by is kind of boring. No, it can be as entertaining as any other speedruns.
I have performed lots of tricks to keep this movie entertaining all the way. For example, walljumps, moonwalks, wall passing, and hiding from enemies. Those are several skills that are often shown in this movie, there are other tricks that have never shown before in my runs, too.

Most entertaining parts of this run

You don't want to miss these following performances, do you?
  • 1-1: Gaining a jumping mushroom, due to the help of the jumping star
  • 4-1: Walking between 2 spines that were so closed to Mario
  • 8-1: Walljumping backwards and forwards
  • 8-2: Getting the 1UP mushroom upside-down by design
  • 8-3: Playing jokes on hammer brothers
  • A special dance for all in the end of 8-3
A nice snapshot for everyone, hope you like this run!

Nach: This run is a bit shocking. I sat down to watch it thinking 15 minutes is going to be a snooze. Much to my surprise and delight, this run is a lot more exciting than I expected. Mario dances figure eights around enemies as if they weren't even there. Reminds me of Gradius. The first level was very boring, but 4-1 is a lot more exciting with the Spinys raining down. 8-1 is a pure delight. 8-2 and 8-3 are in a league of their own. Playing with the Hammer Bros. is one of the most exciting things I've seen in a TAS. Dancing to the music was appreciated too.
Overall, I think this run provides a lot more entertainment than a standard 5 minute TAS of this game. In terms of meeting its defined goals it also does it well. For the goals in question, speed-wise, this movie will also be hard to beat.
Now the question is, does this deserve publication or not? There is a lot of time seemingly "wasted", and the beginning is lackluster. On the other hand, so are playarounds of other games filled with auto-scrolling. The Judge Guidelines state: "A run for a proposed new branch for a game should offer compelling differences relative to previously published runs of that game.". I think that is undeniable fact in this case. Further: "don't publish an arbitrarily rule-restricted movie just because there are too few movies for that game; doing so may lead to impossible-to-solve 'why A but not B' debates later.". A role of "lowest possible score" is less arbitrary than a lot of other goals we've seen people submit. Accepting this certainly wouldn't be solely because there are too few runs for this game.
Then there's the player guidelines which state: "Please note that we do not accept an indefinite number of variants for any given game. Any more than 3 for a game is very uncommon.". It's not a hard limit, so I can see us bending the rules if a run really deserves it. But does it? This run only has a 40% approval rating.
If we cut out the "perfect" parts of the run such as 1-2, 4-2, and 8-4, we're left with levels which need to "waste time" and provide a lot of entertainment. If we can put 1-1, and the slow parts of 4-1 in one movie, and the rest of it in another movie, I think we'd have a consensus to reject the former and accept the latter as a playaround. As it stands, I can't see this movie being anything more than a concept movie.
So should I reject it based on the former, or accept it as a concept run based on the latter? I'll reserve judgment for a few more days in hope that others will refute pros or cons I listed here. Please comment on these points.

Nach: Thanks for everyone who commented further. It seems the added entertainment to this run is outweighed by the boring sections and the repetitiveness of the entertainment itself. Rejecting.
feos: After thinking for 12 years about this movie and how loaded it is with cool techniques just to burn time, I believe it makes perfect sense to send it to Playground. No I don't plan to unreject anything else until we shrink the queue. Just wanted to move this real quick since it requires no extra work for anyone.


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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2908: HappyLee's NES Super Mario Bros. "lowest score" in 14:32.80
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My first submission in 2010. Tough year, really. Some other projects would be done the next year, I will continue to make good TAS movies.
Recent projects: SMB warpless TAS (2018), SMB warpless walkathon (2019), SMB something never done before (2019), Extra Mario Bros. (best ending) (2020).
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Yes, we know you like TASing SMB, we get it. Can you TAS something else now? Seriously, I don't think this needs to be published. Half of the levels are virtually the same as the any% run, and the other half is just Mario dancing around wasting time. The goal is pretty arbitrary, and for me, not that entertaining at all. Sure, there are a lot of glitches to show, but once you've seen them a couple of times they quickly lose their appeal. SMB is an over-TASed game, and I'd like to see your talents expanded to other games instead of stagnating on one. No voting.
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I actually kinda liked watching this, but I'm not sure if it should be published. I think you did everything you could to make it as entertaining as possible, but it got a bit repetitive after a while. I'll refrain from voting. Still, impressive work!
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Encoding. Watched only 1-1 though. Funny tricky playarround :) 'Yes'
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I liked watching this. It's a nice concept movie. But this movie is just like a playaround and I don't think low-score is an exciting category, compared to a true playaround. low-score = You can only perform walljumps and moonwalks and may not jump on enemies or get powerups. You need to wait a long time in 5 levels. playaround = You can perform all kinds of tricks and jumping on enemies or grabbing powerups has more variety to it than it was the case in the low-score movie. I can only point to this movie again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leH7IU4yOWE My point is, despite having liked this movie, why accept this category if a true playaround has a lot more potential and will be much better?
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While this movie is a nice demonstration of what's possible in SMB, the few tricks you could do without getting points really got repetetive after a while, and the levels where you could do some more interesting stuff were the 1-2, 4-2 and 8-4. Ultimately, I enjoyed watching this movie, but I don't think it should be published because what little it has to offer over the published runs isn't enough. There were a few pretty neat tricks (getting the 1up in 8-2, juggling a mushroom with the hammer bros pelting you), so I would recommend doing a playaround showcasing as many SMB glitches as possible. This movie shouldn't fall into obscurity, it should either go to Gruefood Delight or referenced elsewhere, but I have to vote no.
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feos, I hate to tell you this... but your HD encode isn't aspect corrected. I send a Meh vote, by the way. Awesome but Impractical.
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While the idea could work in theory, in practice it takes too much time for the timer to run out. Having to wait for the timer to get to zero takes too long, and the run becomes quite repetitive. If there were significantly less time to complete the levels, then this idea could perhaps work ok. Another issue is that we already have several categories for this game. Sorry, I have to vote no.
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Voting Yes as a playaround.
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Well that is an interesting goal to go for. I actually enjoyed this run a little there were a couple of cool glitches, and the differences in the levels made it not as boring as it would seem. Yes vote, but only slightly.
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It's fun, but I don't think the goal choice is interesting enough, though. Voted meh. I think it would be more fun to have a max score run published, instead.
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MUGG wrote:
I liked watching this. It's a nice concept movie. But this movie is just like a playaround and I don't think low-score is an exciting category, compared to a true playaround. low-score = You can only perform walljumps and moonwalks and may not jump on enemies or get powerups. You need to wait a long time in 5 levels. playaround = You can perform all kinds of tricks and jumping on enemies or grabbing powerups has more variety to it than it was the case in the low-score movie. I can only point to this movie again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leH7IU4yOWE My point is, despite having liked this movie, why accept this category if a true playaround has a lot more potential and will be much better?
agreed on another note, wtf, I thought doing walljumps was supposed to be hard?
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ALAKTORN wrote:
agreed on another note, wtf, I thought doing walljumps was supposed to be hard?
  1. Super Mario Bros. 1 is iirc more loose as far as collision detection goes, making wall jumps easier
  2. It's a TAS
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Interesting concept.. but as much as you tried, this still remained very boring. I voted meh though, due to the technical aspect, which was bang-on for the achievement. Mr. Kelly R. Flewin
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Voted no. The antics are entertaining for a while but not enough to fill 10 minutes of extra time. My favorite was the 1-up grab in 8-1. The concept is pretty neat though and this should live on in gruefood delight or the concept video list.
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I loved this. There was easily enough variety to keep me entertained through the entire thing, and the goal choice certainly allowed for a lot of neat tricks, as well as a lot of "narrow misses" for not only deaths but coins, particularly in 8-1. I voted yes, but I have a feeling this is bound for gruefood delight.
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It was way too repetetive for me to be enjoyable enough. Most of the things were also too predictable to me. With nearly all holes as well as walls/pipes in the way, the same moves are used. And we don't really need a published movie for every possible goal. Super Metroid syndrome. This would fit better as a April 1st submission instead. Voting no.
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Hahahahahahahhaahaa.... That's freaking funny! Yes vote!
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I somehow found this entertaining despite its length and its repetitiveness. It would be a neat addition to the "other/demo" movie category. Very weak yes vote, I won't cry if this won't make it.
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It's awesome. I can't vote for now, but my vote will be Yes. The video is really interesting to watch and I don't think how much time I think you will die. It's really interesting how we can survive in this game! When he wait for the time at the end, he show some bug of the game. I will try that to! hahaha. It's good to watch! I recommended it.
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As a new "subsidiary goal" is reached here that will never be overcome (you can NOT have less than 500 pts), and as everything that has been done for making this run entertaining has worked on me, I vote yes.
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I really want to see a TAS, as "fastest 999999". Not is if is could you reach that score, but it will be possible?
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