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Same time as me on Choco 2, Thegreginator. But I used the colored blocks in the end, which was cheating...
And you were also using the same tactic as me on Choco 1. I think of a possible improvement. Why not use the P-block and jump on it while in the air so you don't need to take the pipe? Not sure it's faster though.
Good job you too Fabian. I really looking forward to this run. (As you said that you were going to use a lot of bugs :D:D *lol*.)
Tompa, I dont think the CI1 p-switch jump would be any faster. Plus its way harder to do. I just now watched your CI2 video and its funny how we did things almost exactly the same.
Chocolate Secret is a pain. I cant get past the first room without losing run, I'll keep working on it.
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You stole my route then! You ******! Haha, I don't care really :D. You are doing good movies!
Edit: I'm also trying on Choco secret now. Let's see what times we will get, hehe.
About CI1: Try not holding -> after entering the pipe just before the goal. Not sure how far you fly with that thing but hop glitching to the goal post (what is it like 1 jump) should definitely be faster if possible.
Tompa, good luck with Chocolate Secret. I absolutely hate that level. What are your best times for getting in each pipe? I've gotten in the first one at 282, but only once. Not sure about the second one yet.
Okay, heres that 282 for the first room (.smv).
Chocolate Secret Room 1 - 282
Also, I found another "Mario goes through the floor" glitch on accident. I initiated it just by jumping at the right spot, which is weird because usually you somehow have to "push" Mario through the floor.
Mario goes through the floor with a well-placed jump (.smv)
My best time for getting into the second pipe is 258 but this can probably be improved. I'm done working on this level for now.
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I have got a faster beginning than you have, but it's also much harder. Check this movie http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1550/choco%20secret.smv
That way is a littler faster than jumping on the spring.
I haven't ran the whole way yet. But mostly I'm using the same tactic as you. But I keep my P-speed at the beetles in beginning and I'm not losing it in the end either. Just jump up at the checkpoint and you can reach the pipe with P-speed.
Yeah Tompa I've done that at the beginning before but I figured it wouldnt save a full timeunit so I didnt do it regularly. When I did it I just did a normal jump though, not a spin jump.
Tompa wrote:
But I keep my P-speed at the beetles in beginning and I'm not losing it in the end either. Just jump up at the checkpoint and you can reach the pipe with P-speed.
I keep my p-run at the beetles at the beginning too...not sure if you're suggesting I wasnt. At the end I've reached the pipe without losing p-run by doing it your way but I always hit the checkpoint which isnt allowed. My way is still fast enough to get into the pipe at the fastest possible time (as far as timeunits are concerned). Since going into a pipe or door resets the timer at the beginning of whatever digit it is on, it doesnt really matter if you get in at a "good" 282 or a "bad" 282, it'll be the same in the end since were just going by timeunits here.
Let me know how you do in the second room. My 258 was just with sliding, but it is possible to keep up a run the whole way I just realized. I'll make a video of this sometime.
Okay for the second room I just did it perfectly with a p-run never being lost and got a 259. Then I tried doing some sliding and got 260. Weird how sliding is faster than keeping your run.
Also, I redid Chocolate Island 1 using Fabian's advice to do the hop glitch at the end and improved it from a 261 to a 262. Thanks Fabian. Here's the new link
EDIT: The third room is easy. Got out of the pipe at 225 and finished the level with a time of 223. Now I just have to make a video.
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After the first jump over the first beetle you are indeed losing you P-speed, but you get it again very fast though. Watch again with slowmotion if you don't belive me:).
EDIT: Oh, didn't see your post Fabian. Actually, I've always thought that the non-key route seems very slow and long... I shall try some to see if I can find something better.
I'm at Chocolate Island 4 greginator. WHERE ARE YOU???
Seriously though, 5 more levels done today. Pretty sick compared to my normal pace.
Edit: Wow I just counted, only 15 exits left!! Yesterday+today = 13 exits. I could finish this any day now!!
Fabian you're killing me!
What time (in timunits) did you end up getting on CI2 gate exit because I have done some testing on this. Also what route did you take? I actually dont think VIPer's is the fastest.
I have gotten the ideal times down for Chocolate Secret and CI3 gate (I cant really do key small). I just havent recorded them because recording is a huge pain. If you ever mess up you have to go back, stop recording, and go through this big menu to start it up again. Does anyone know an easy way to edit movies? It would be easier for me if I could just record continuously and edit out all the mess up parts. I have Media Player Classic, and I've heard you can do it with this, but I'm not sure how.
Well I'm off to watch this Ocarina of Time video that everyones been talking about. I'll be sure to play JXQ's commentary while watching so its not a total waste of time. ;)
No idea about timeunits. I think I've checked them exactly once in my life, when I did Tubular with your left+right method, and reported the result over at SDA.
I took more coins than VIPer7 in the gate exit, meaning the last "room", with the gate, was different. It's the one with lots of those 1up-guys from room 2. "My" last room was 2 frames faster than VIPer7's last room, but my level overall is slower because of some manipulation needed to be able to run up to flying speed in room 3. To clarify, only the very last room is different from VIPer7's route.
Don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to catch up when I go back to normal pace :)
Okay turns out VIPer did have the fastest method for CI2 gate.
Tompa, didnt you work on CI3 small at one point? I'm curious what times you have gotten. I have gotten 261 with taking the pipe and 256 without taking the pipe, which is actually faster than the 261 in realtime. Also, are you still working on Chocolate Secret?
My OoT bittorrent is running at 340 KB/s. Way to many people want to see this movie. ;)
And again, anyone know how to edit out parts of a video using Media Player Classic? Or something similar?
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I have been working with nearly every map, so yes. But I did never finish it. The only I did was the beginning which I posted for you on SDA. And no, I'm not working with Choco Secret anymore:). As you already have a good time. But I can point out possible improvements to your movies!
Okay turns out VIPer did have the fastest method for CI2 gate.
Tompa, didnt you work on CI3 small at one point? I'm curious what times you have gotten. I have gotten 261 with taking the pipe and 256 without taking the pipe, which is actually faster than the 261 in realtime. Also, are you still working on Chocolate Secret?
My OoT bittorrent is running at 340 KB/s. Way to many people want to see this movie. ;)
And again, anyone know how to edit out parts of a video using Media Player Classic? Or something similar?
I guess you could hexedit out the unwanted stuff from the .smv?
(I know absolutely nothing about video editing or hexediting or anything, really).
Well I just finished the first half of the OoT run, up to where JXQ's commentary ended. That commentary is the only thing that made the movie worth watching in my opinion. JXQ, when are you going to record the second half? I want to wait for it before I finish the video.
Tompa, I'm going to be working on CI4 next as I'm recording CS and CI3 if you want to help me test out some stuff or figure out some routes, I havent even tried the level yet.
Video for CI3 small is done, ends in 256.
Chocolate Island 3 Small (key) - 256
I can get a time of 361 by going into the pipe, but this is slower in realtime.
Making a video for Chocolate Secret is gonna really suck, it wont be for a while if I even decide to do it.
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You could have jumped on a few more koopas so you get more points, and it looks more entertaining too:). And if you jump on the last moving platform from the vine a little earlier I'm sure a 257 is possible. Nice vid anyway!
About Choco 4... I haven't been able to keep the P-speed from start. But I think it's possible.
Here are some random times for just messing around. Keep in mind these are very improvable, just a starting point.
Chocolate Fortress - 235. My spike room sucked, I never got run because the spikes always blocked me. I got to the thwomp room at 271. In the thwomp room, I never lost run and got to the Reznor door at 246.
Chocolate Island 4 - 259. Never kept run (except at very first tar pit jump).
Chocloate Island 5 - 279. I dont know if this time could be improved, this level's pretty straightforward.
Fabian, way to go. I'm getting my ass kicked in this race, but it doesnt matter because your run is almost done! :) Cant wait to see it! I'm sure you already know this, but remember to go left instead of right in the second room of Valley Ghost House for the key.
