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Summary

This is an improved version of "#7049: AmaizumiUni's NES Final Fantasy II in 11:26.49". It's used the glitch of the spellbook of Blink. The change is to use the joypad input for the script pointer, which allows you to see the ending more quickly.
My TAS makes 1 byte the script data by the joypad input. Ths script data is not 6502 instruction. It's not ACE.

Configuration

  • RAM init: default
  • ROM CRC32: D29DB3C7
  • Allow Left+Right / Up+Down
The system updates CPU address $62ba and $62bb when a woman equip a spellbook of Blink (ブリンクのほん) as a weapon. CPU address $62ba is assigned an event ID in the temple, CPU address $62bb is assigned at the inn.
The system initials 0x15 and 0x14, and assigned 0x00-0x19 for these addresses. These values are used for an index of a pointer table $bfc0 for address $0072 in PC $C6FB. The system runs the epilogue if the pointer reference data is 0xe7. (see Appendix)
The illegal value can store a RAM address into the pointer. The useful values are following:
event pointer
ID    address description

0x0f  $8531   Final Battle (original script)
0x43  $0020   Joypad Data Buffer
0x5c  $6011   Player Overworld Position Y (for saving)

The Final Battle

This is a normal value for the system. If the player kills the Emperor and releases Nelly, the system can display "THE END".

Joypad Data Buffer

We can make any value by Joypad input. Press left, right, down, select, B and A, the value becomes 0xe7.

Player Overworld Position Y

The position Y 0xe7 is placed near the second battleship hoabor. Go there, save the game, go to the inn without saving.

How to update and use these addresses

It is required to equip the spellbook as a weapon before the end of the battle. However the system is freezed when the character attacks with the spellbook. Another character must finish the battle before her attack.
These two values are included in the save data.

CPU address $62ba

The system updates CPU address $62ba as level up when the second battle is finished in TAS #7049. (I haven't investigated the reason for 'twice'.) The initial value is 0x15, the system assigns the maximum value is 0x0f, the system stores data 0x0f into CPU address $62ba.
If the party has dead character(s), the event ID is loaded in the temple.

CPU address $62bb

The player repeats, selects and cancels 'attack' up to the specified number of times.
The system doesn't use the initial value 0x14 if the specified number is bigger than 0x20(?). To store data 0x43 or 0x5c, repeat up to the specified number of times.
When the party finds a berth at the inn, the event ID is loaded.

The steps of the speedrun

I used the joypad data buffer for the script data.
The most important point is getting a spellbook of Blink quickly. The following are candidates.
  • Get a canoe, buy the spellbook in the town of Poft (ポフト).
  • Make a roundabout trip by walking and riding chocobo, buy the spellbook in the town of Palm (or Poft).
  • Pickup the spellbook, Ogre Mage (オーガメイジ) drops it.
After getting the spellbook do the following
  • Start the battle with anyone
  • Select 'たたかう'(attack) 67 times for a woman (second character) . Equip the spellbook as weapon in the 'もちもの' (item) command.
  • Finish and win the battle.
  • Go to the inn, choose 'はい' and press left, right, down, select, B and A at the same time.

route 'canoe' and 'roundabout trip'

The roundabout trip is faster than getting a canoe by about 1 min 20 sec.

route 'Ogre Mage'

The encounter places Ogre Mage in the north of Fin castle. It's too difficult for me to manipulate the random seed and win the battle with the initial skills. If you picked up the spellbook luckily, the Gadea inn is the best place.

Button operations at the inn

To pass the condition:
  1. moving: press B
  2. started the chat: press A, keep hold B
  3. press left, down, right and select
  4. release A
  5. displayed the choice: press A
  • If the joypad is disabled both left and right in same time, use joypad #3 like a Joy Card. (Famicom games can use joypad #3 as an alternate joypad #1. NES cannot use it due to the difference of hardware design.)
  • To train the operation, save the game after the battle.

About making a TAS

Random seed manipulation for battle

The system makes a random seed and stores it into address $0042 before the battle. It's a sum in zeropage (address $0000-$00ff) and carry flag of ADC instruction. It depended on the character order and the enemy behavior.
In normal battle, versus Sprinter, the random seed is manipulated by frame counter, uninitialized values and the joypad buffer. To affect the start or select button, close the menu and keep holding these buttons at the same time.
In the first battle, verus Black Knight (くろきし), the system clears a lot of zeropage area before the battle. I used a frame counter for the manipulation, I had to wait 27 frames...

概要

これは "#7049: AmaizumiUni's NES Final Fantasy II in 11:26.49" の改善版です. ブリンクのほんのバグを利用しています. 変更点はスクリプトのポインタをジョイパッドの入力データにして、エンディングを早く見られるようにしました.
スクリプトには任意の 1 byte のデータを読み込ませていますが、スクリプトは 6502 の命令ではないので、任意コード実行ではありません.

ブリンクのほんの動作の原理

女性キャラがブリンクのほんを武器として装備したときに更新されるメモリアドレスは $62ba と $62bb です. address $62ba は聖堂での蘇生イベントのID、address $62bb は宿屋での宿泊イベントのIDです.
この2つのIDの初期値は 0x15 と 0x14 です. この変数は PC $C6FB で参照される値で正常値は 0x00 から 0x19 です. この値をポインタテーブル $BFC0 の index と利用して, スクリプトポインタ $0072 に書き込みます. ポインタ参照先データに 0xe7 があるとエンディングとなります.
CPU address $62ba or $62bb の data 0x1a 以降の不正な値で RAM を参照するものがあり、ユーザーが操作しやすいものは下記です.
event pointer
ID    address description

0x0f  $8531   Final Battle (original script)
0x43  $0020   Joypad Data Buffer
0x5c  $6011   Player Overworld Position Y (for saving)

Final Battle

ROM に入っている想定内の値です. 皇帝を倒し、ネリーを救出していると THE END までいけます.

Joypad Data Buffer

ボタンの組み合わせで任意の data を作れます. 左右下セレクトBAを同時に押すと data 0xe7 が作成できます.

Player Overworld Position Y

Position Y 0xe7 は2番目の大戦艦停泊地付近にあります. ここにいきセーブしてその後はセーブせず宿屋に向かう必要があります.

メモリ更新と利用

2つのアドレスは戦闘終了までに武器としてブリンクの本を所持する必要があります. ただしブリンクの本で攻撃を実行するとゲームが止まりますので、それよりも早く終了する必要があります.
この2つの値はセーブデータに含まれます.

CPU address $62ba

既出の TAS の通りこの本を武器として所持し戦闘を2度(2度の理由は未調査)終了すると、熟練度レベルとして address $62ba が更新されます. 初期値は 0x15 ですが、熟練度レベルとしては最大値 0x0f なので address $62ba へ data 0x0f が書き込まれます.
利用方法は仲間のうち誰かを死亡させ、聖堂で蘇生させるとイベントが起きます.

CPU adddress $62bb

たたかうを選択してキャンセルを繰り返し指定回数まで繰り返します.
熟練度経験値としても計算するのですが大きい回数を指定すると初期値 0x14 は加算されませんでした. data 0x43, 0x5c を書き込みたい場合はその回数たたかうを選びます.
利用方法は宿屋で宿泊するだけです.

攻略チャート

Joypad Data Buffer を利用します.
ブリンクのほんを早く取得することが重要です. 下記が候補です.
  • カヌーを取り、パルムの町で買う
  • 徒歩とチョコボで遠回りし、ポフトの町(もしくはパルムの町)で買う
  • オーガメイジから拾う
ブリンクのほんを取得後は下記となります.
  • 相手は誰でもいいので戦闘開始
  • 2人目がたたかうを 67 回選び、ブリンクのほんを武器として装備して戦闘を勝利で終了させます.
  • 宿屋に行き、左右下セレクトBAを押しながら「はい」選びます.

遠回りルートとカヌールート

遠回りのほうがカヌーより1分20秒程度早いです.

オーガメイジルート

フィン城北にオーガメイジが出現します. 初期状態でオーガメイジに勝つのは乱数操作が難しく、私にはできませんでした. 運良くブリンクのほんを手に入れられたのなら、ガテアの村の宿屋が便利でしょう.

宿屋でのボタン操作

下記の順番にボタンを押せば条件を満たせます.
  1. 移動中: B を押す
  2. 会話開始: A を押す, B は押したまま
  3. B に加えて 左、右、下、セレクトを押す
  4. A を離す
  5. 選択肢表示: A を押す
  • 左と右の同時入力が禁止されている場合はジョイカードなどの外部コントローラで代用可能です.
  • 操作に自信がない場合は戦闘後にセーブしておけば簡単にやり直せます.

TAS に関して

戦闘での乱数調整

戦闘の最初に zeropage (address $0000-$00ff) の carry 込みの総和が乱数になり、行動順番や敵の行動内容がこれに依存します.
通常の戦闘ではフレームカウンタや joypad bufferで総和を操作でき移動しないボタンも利用できます. スタートボタンやセレクトボタンを反映するにはメニューを出してから押したままにすれば移動も可能です.
くろきし戦前は joypad buffer を含めて zeropage の大半は 0 で埋められるため乱数調整はフレームカウンタのみのため、27 frame も待機しています.

Appendix

routine for temple, inn and the script system

(in the temple)
8CF6: lda $62ba
8CF9: sta <$6c
8CFB: jmp $91b8
(at the inn)
8DCA: lda $62bb
8DCD: sta <$6c
8DCF: jmp $91b8
(load <$6c, store script pointer <$72)
CBF4: lda <$6c
CBF6: beq $cbfb
CBF8: jmp $c6f4
C6F4: asl a
C6F5: tax
C6F6: lda #$0d
C6F8: jsr $fe03 (switch a bank)
C6FB: lda $bfc0,x
C6FE: sta <$72
C700: lda $bfc1,x
C703: sta <$73
C705: lda #$01
C707: sta <$6c
C709: lda #$00
C70B: sta <$17
C70D: rts
(random seed calculation)
97D5: ldx #$00
97D7: adc <$00,x
97D9: inx
97DA: bne $97d7
97DC: sta $0042

proficiency address calculation

address = 0x6200 + c * 0x40 + ( (index << 1) & 0xff)
  • c: character #, 0 to 3
  • index: weapon #, the system assigns 0 to 7

index list for the spellbooks as weapon

item idx  name           | item idx  name
-
0x98 0x28 ファイアのほん | 0xac 0x1a ケアルのほん
0x99 0x00 サンダーのほん | 0xad 0x00 レイズのほん
0x9a 0x01 ブリザドのほん | 0xae 0x01 バスナのほん
0x9b 0x64 クラウダのほん | 0xaf 0x46 エスナのほん
0x9c 0x0c ドレインのほん | 0xb0 0x01 バリアのほん
0x9d 0x15 アスピルのほん | 0xb1 0x3d ブリンクのほん
0x9e 0x00 フレアーのほん | 0xb2 0x00 プロテスのほん
0x9f 0x02 スリプルのほん | 0xb3 0x02 シェルのほん
0xa0 0x28 スタンのほん   | 0xb4 0x64 ウォールのほん
0xa1 0x10 ストップのほん | 0xb5 0x10 デスペルのほん
0xa2 0x09 コンフュのほん | 0xb6 0x39 ミニマムのほん
0xa3 0x00 ブラインのほん | 0xb7 0x00 サイレスのほん
0xa4 0x02 カーズのほん   | 0xb8 0x01 アンチのほん
0xa5 0x28 トードのほん   | 0xb9 0x64 フォーグのほん
0xa6 0x0a ブレイクのほん | 0xba 0x4a スロウのほん
0xa7 0x10 デスのほん     | 0xbb 0x01 チェンジのほん
0xa8 0x00 デジョンのほん | 0xbc 0x0a フィアーのほん
0xa9 0x02 バーサクのほん | 0xbd 0x00 ホーリーのほん
0xaa 0x64 ヘイストのほん | 0xbe 0x03 テレポのほん
0xab 0x03 オーラのほん   | 0xbf 0x00 アルテマのほん
  • idx: index
  • item: item #

address list for non-proficiency

c item addr  | c item addr

0 0xac $6234 | 2 0xba $6314
1 0xac $6274 | 3 0xb6 $6332
0 0xb1 $627a | 3 0xb1 $633a
2 0xac $62b4 | 2 0x9b $6348
1 0xb1 $62ba | 2 0xaa $6348
3 0xac $62f4 | 2 0xb4 $6348
2 0xb1 $62fa | 2 0xb9 $6348
1 0x9b $6308 | 3 0xaf $634c
1 0xaa $6308 | 3 0xba $6354
1 0xb4 $6308 | 3 0x9b $6388
1 0xb9 $6308 | 3 0xaa $6388
2 0xaf $630c | 3 0xb4 $6388
3 0x98 $6310 | 3 0xb9 $6388
3 0xa0 $6310
3 0xa5 $6310
note: address $6300-$65ff is save slot #1. The system updates the values of level and experience without checksum after the battle. If the save slot has a bad checksum, the system will detect it as an empty slot.
note: address $6044 data bit 2 is a flag of release Nelly

Special Thanks

Cheap and Pirohiko

Samsara: Judging.
Samsara: Last weekend (at the time of writing this judgement), a better route for this run was shown by Pirohiko. Since that is a Twitch VOD, the link may be dead in the near future, so I'll explain the new route. The new route uses Cure to manipulate the RNG of a fight with an Ogre Mage, and attacks it with a Fire spellbook to kill it in one turn, getting the Blink book much faster. This was performed on a Famicom console, proving its legitimacy. AmaizumiUni has completed a test TAS of this route and is continuing to look into it for improvements. Pirohiko will also be looking into improving the new route in the future. Machine translation of the tweet courtesy of DeepL: "FF2 has a chart that cancels the encumbrance and a pattern that I haven't checked yet, so I'll have to check that out after I make Dr. Mario..."
Even though the test TAS is not linked, there is more than enough proof in the Twitch VOD to show me that it is both legit and the fastest known TAS for this game. For that, I have to reject this run, as it has been provably bested.


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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #7136: naruko's NES Final Fantasy II "game end glitch" in 06:16.81
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I believe this improves [2903] NES Final Fantasy II "game end glitch" by pirohiko in 07:32.37. Claiming for publication. Or it might be #7049: AmaizumiUni's NES Final Fantasy II in 11:26.49. Kinda need confirmation which one.
Edit: Got a response from pirohiko about this. 今回のTASはACEではないですが、ACEより早いのでACEを残す必要はないと思います。 Roughish translation: The TAS isn't ACE, but it should be compared to ACE since it's faster than the previous movie.
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I don't think this or the published movie is a game end glitch. The ending music doesn't start at all, but it does for the other (now canceled) submission. Since I can't see, the music is all I would have. The end of the video still has the town theme playing.
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Should I translate the commentary notes on the encode and make them into subtitles?
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> Spikestuff As you know, it's not ACE. I don't manipulate the program counter. > DJ Incendration This glitch is difficult to play the ending music. The original script data is constructed in 3 bytes (address $0d$8537, data 0xf5 0x5d 0xe7). "0xf5 0x5d" means a music request. I manipulated only 1 byte (address $0020, data 0xe7). > xxezrabxxx Please translate and encode my commentary. My text data is here https://pastebin.com/uVtsddBt My movie has some mistakes. - weird screen aspect ratio (720x480) - I named the towns wrong. (ポフト <-> パルム) Please make the screen layout you like.
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naruko wrote:
> xxezrabxxx Please translate and encode my commentary. My text data is here: https://pastebin.com/uVtsddBt My movie has some mistakes. - weird screen aspect ratio (720x480) - I named the towns wrong. (ポフト <-> パルム) Please make the screen layout you like.
I already got your text data from OCR software, I translated the commentary here: https://pastebin.com/sABAaKg6 Please notify me incase something is off or if something can be improved. I have an encode ready in 720p60 so I can create a layout. I will also link a subtitle file that can be used for publication if you allow that.
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naruko wrote:
> Spikestuff As you know, it's not ACE. I don't manipulate the program counter.
That is fine cause I got clarification after. However the wording from pirohiko says that ACE should be looked into being obsoleted that as well... unless Google completely screwed up on me.
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naruko wrote:
> DJ Incendration This glitch is difficult to play the ending music. The original script data is constructed in 3 bytes (address $0d:$8537, data 0xf5 0x5d 0xe7). "0xf5 0x5d" means a music request. I manipulated only 1 byte (address $0020, data 0xe7).
Oof... That's a shame. Since I can't see, the only way I know this TAS gets to the ending is the comments. Since it's quite a bit faster, I wanted to check if I could tell this actually got to the ending, but I originally thought that it just softlocked at the end. Oh well, I guess if I want to listen to a TAS that actually plays the ending music, I'll have to go with the canceled submission...
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Sorry for posting that twice. My computer and screen reader were going crazy and I couldn't tell my post was already there.
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> xxezrabxxx I've added explanations for sentences that can't be easily translated. Please edit the text to make it easier to understand for the viewers. I can't explain it well due to causes that are not language differences about the glitch. https://pastebin.com/wxG4jMaG
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naruko wrote:
> xxezrabxxx I've added explanations for sentences that can't be easily translated. Please edit the text to make it easier to understand for the viewers. I can't explain it well due to causes that are not language differences about the glitch. https://pastebin.com/wxG4jMaG
https://pastebin.com/Y0m16dxZ made a better draft
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> xxezrabxxx It's the best translation for the viewers!
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naruko wrote:
> xxezrabxxx It's the best translation for the viewers!
Link to video Encoded in 720p60 and used the captions feature.
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xxezrabxxx wrote:
Encoded in 720p60 and used the captions feature.
Thank you so much! I added a summary paragraph which has my answer for Spikestuff's question and your encodning video to "Author's comments and explanations". I fixed some mistakes. I should have asked you my explanations to check before my submission. It's a first time to make a TAS. It was a lot of work, and I didn't have the mental capacity to do it. Pirohiko, my TAS teacher, taught a lot of frame lossing... It took me a week to fix it.
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Oh! The Poft Inn has a complimentary game ending service?
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That was a very cool abuse of the game's programming. Also thanks for providing commentary, and thanks to xxezrabxxx for translating it. Yes vote.
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If this is accepted I will send the subtitle files in both English and Japanese (with 2 second delay of course).
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Joined: 11/13/2006
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route 'Ogre Mage' The encounter places Ogre Mage in the north of Fin castle. It's too difficult for me to manipulate the random seed and win the battle with the initial skills. If you picked up the spellbook luckily, the Gadea inn is the best place.
I looked into this, and I don't think this route could work. I can get the Ogre Mage encounter quickly, but I haven't successfully gotten even close to killing it due to its high stats. Even if it was possible to kill it at the initial levels, I think getting Blink from the battle would take longer than walking to Poft and buying it. The fastest encounter I could get is at 9000 frames. This submission gets the Blink spellbook and returns to the world map at about frame 16200, so in theory we have about 7200 frames to work with. The best damage values I was able to get for each party member in my limited testing: Firion - 10 damage (attack) Maria - 14 damage (Fire spell) Guy - 7 damage (attack) These were all on individual turns, and I admit I didn't test it as much as I should have for a reason I'll share later. Regardless, in theory, this could be 31 damage a turn. The Ogre Mage has 140 HP, meaning the battle could be over in 5 turns if this could be manipulated to happen every turn, but there's a number of catches here.
  • Most of the time, one turn with this strategy takes about 1200 frames. This means we have a 6 turn window for the fight to be even with this run.
  • It relies on Maria using Fire, as her physical attack is extremely weak. Getting it and teaching it to Maria is a 1273 frame detour. We now only have 5 turns to work with.
  • After the battle, we're still northwest of Fynn, and need to get back to Gatrea to use the Inn. This is another 1400 or so frames by itself, not counting the second encounter that needs to be gotten into.
  • I haven't even proven a single one of these turns is possible. I haven't even managed to hit the Ogre Mage with multiple characters in the same turn, let alone all 3 for maximum damage.
Even the best case scenario that I've personally theorized, the Ogre Mage route would still be slower than this submission. I don't even think the Ogre Mage route is possible at all, though. The Ogre Mage has four spells: 1: Blizzard 5 - Hits everyone for high damage, can one hit kill 2: Sleep 4 - 40% chance of Sleep on everyone 3: Blind 4 - 70% chance of Darkness on everyone 4: Blink 3 - Adds 3 more chances to evade a physical attack (if I understood it right) In other words: Two spells that incapacitate characters and two spells that make it much harder to hit. The Ogre Mage already has a 40% evasion rate to begin with, in my testing it was rare that I landed a physical attack at all, let alone one that did respectable damage. This made testing extremely hard in the first place, even harder since the Ogre Mage tends to default to using Blizzard, which would often kill Firion and Maria outright in one hit. On top of all of this, the only way I've found to manipulate RNG mid battle is to change what each party member does: Attack, Attack, Run may lead to different results than Run, Run, Attack, for example. This means that the theoretical best case scenario just might not work at all, since different actions would have to be taken just to be able to survive the fight. In short, I believe this run to have used the fastest known route for this glitch.
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Ford
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I appreciate the English CC. I wouldn't have been able to follow what was going on otherwise.
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Ford wrote:
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Joined: 6/5/2021
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> Samsara I have the same ideas about Ogre Mage. Pirohiko tweeted something meaningful for the problem. I think he found out the method to pickup the Blink. He will publish the method with real Famicom in a RTA (speedrun) event, weekend.
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After thinking about it for a while, I've decided to give this a yes vote. It does get to the credits, even though there is no way for me to know without someone else telling me. I understand that it's hard to get the ending music to play with the glitch used, and this is faster than the previous submission.
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monster drop book of blink tas(test) 4:53.67 Long time cure(cearu)x2 animation Long time to remove and sell equipment. Long to learn magic. I'm looking for other patterns.
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Pirohiko showed that Ogre Mage dropped the Blink on his Famicom. The key points are - attack a spellbook of Fire as weapon - manipulate RNG by spelling ケアル - walk with no frame loss - He knowns the uninitialized SRAM values of his Famicom https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1061330683 Pirohiko arranged the method easy for human. It has a lof of points that need to be optimized for TAS. 142104 FF 1 + 2 ACE play And he showed a FF 1 & 2 ACE play that he initialized SRAM with Family Basic, hotswaped cartridges, went up and down in FF 1, jumped to FF 2 ending from FF 1.