@Memory
How is swapping discs hardware tampering? I find arbitrarily resetting the system and corrupting save data to be much more "damaging" to the hardware than swapping discs during gameplay.
save data isn't exactly part of the hardware of the system if that's what you mean. unless it's a system like the Wii where it's stored in the console itself, for PSX and GC (or non disc systems like NES) it would more be damage to the memory cards or in the game cart itself.
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@Memory
How is swapping discs hardware tampering? I find arbitrarily resetting the system and corrupting save data to be much more "damaging" to the hardware than swapping discs during gameplay.
save data isn't exactly part of the hardware of the system if that's what you mean. unless it's a system like the Wii where it's stored in the console itself, for PSX and GC (or non disc systems like NES) it would more be damage to the memory cards or in the game cart itself.
That's way too general and I disagree about the degree of damaging. I'm open to include facts with links or elaborated explanations, but not like this.
Warp: good.
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Not sure if this counts, but...
In SMW low-exit-count, we don't allow glitching a cloud into the item box to later glitch out Bowser's AI because the glitch used can also be used to game-end-glitch the run and why wouldn't you just do that instead?
Not sure if this counts, but...
In SMW low-exit-count, we don't allow glitching a cloud into the item box to later glitch out Bowser's AI because the glitch used can also be used to game-end-glitch the run and why wouldn't you just do that instead?
Is the glitch actually banned by tasvideos rules, or is it really just that the TASers who could do this any% route aren't interested because it doesn't make sense from a TASing perspective to use a trick that can trivially be used for ACE instead, whereas in RTA the setups for cloud and ACE are so distinct that they don't overlap?
If memory serves, the rules on ACE state that "if a glitch can be used for ACE, the only movies we will accept that use it are game-end-glitch and exhibitions."
EDIT: The 11-exit RTA world record (which uses the cloud) is actually about 12 seconds faster than our currently published 11-exit run because getting the cloud would disqualify a run from obsoleting it.
Hmm... sounds a bit silly.
So there is this Star TAS being the 3rd fastest way to beat the game, has 2 awards, but the time savers that would reduce that time can't be used there.
Same time savers are not saving enough time to be added in the 1st and 2nd fastest way.
I sense some disturb.
edit: wait a minute, this isn't the thread I've thought I'm at lol. No, this doesn't count for my list. My list is based on various techniques and tricks that can be employed on various consoles and games. The thing you wrote doesn't use any forbidden technique, it just doesn't comply with the rules in the way as I wrote down there.
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Super Meat Boy is an exemple for how arbitrary framerate and mid-run framerate change can be used. Vsync is turned off using an external program I think. It makes all animations significantly faster. Lowering the framerate is done by holding the Alt key (it doesn't work on Hourglass or libTAS by design), and collisions are only tested at each frame, which makes it possible to go through walls.
I'm waiting for the rule being made first so I can list it in the page. Currently arbritrary framerate trick just listed under TODO. But I guess I can add your example already keylie, thanks.
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Whatever you are flabbergasting, here's the information you probably wanted.
Before you post another thing about this in this thread: no, he probably didn't "using an external program that allows him to enable/disable vsync with the press of a button?"
Regarding switching between enabled and disabled vsync with the press of a button, he probably could do it by playing in not fullscreen.
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Vsync is turned off using an external program I think.
If that's true, my response is "WTF?" I hope it's not any sort of official speedrun record.
It is considered as a joke category I would say. It is totally unfair as you get significantly better times by having a better computer. Also, you don't need to switch vsync state during the run, just disable it permanently.
Okay, I can say I searched for and collected all the possible techniques I wanted to list.
That's being said, I'm looking for feedback or any corrections if someone finds on lack of (edit) mentioning a particular technique.
The only information relevant TODO for me is check which bizhawk cores has already implemented the subframes/unplug/connectivity -s.
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Oh, that's a very interesting page! Regarding a few points:
Techniques conflicting with rules/No tampering:
- Half-Life DEW: yeah, for that run scripts (.cfg files) were written beforehand as they consist of binds for spamming wait commands and for stopping the individual segments (stop the demo, save the game), etc.
- "Source 2 engine games": did you mean Source engine games? There's currently only a handful of games possibly utilizing some parts of Source 2 (e.g. Dota 2).
- "Manipulating files to make more optimized to the game engine, shortening game load without changing the process of the gameplay": there's actually a nice example of this: older versions of Source engine games (like Half-Life 2, Portal) were distributed with their game files in .gcf archives, but you could extract the archives into the game directory and the game would then load everything from the filesystem directly. Turns out this was also faster than for the game to look through the .gcf archives so it shortened load times. Didn't affect the RTA timing because loads aren't timed.
(Will add your informations to the page later, thanks for the notes!)
YaLTeR:
- Source 2 engine mentioned because Half-Life is present in both GoldSrc and Source 1, just wanted to list it as another example. Obviously there's a lot more engines with low-level operations and game changing stuffs. I guess I should remove the number 2.
- Aah .gcf, well it does much better example than my Doom 3 zip tinkering! I could also mention those "preload" or "precache" files in some goldsrc steam games where it lists the order of loading game files in txt file.
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