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That is the regular harakiri, which hits backwards and can thus only be effective if your back faces the opponent (which is done by the other move), and does less damage than the spinning harakiri (so won't OHKO the opponent).
I thought you would have learned anything from the previous argument we've had, but apparently not. Play the game before coming up with ideas like this, as you are again not knowing what you're talking about.
EDIT: Re: second link: that is Yoshimitsu's healing move, and not only does it waste time and you can't harakiri out of it, but it doesn't even end Yoshi in the back-facing position that requires pulling off the regular Harakiri in the first place.
I'm serious, this does not even require being a pro at this game. Look up a movelist, or just touch the game even once. Don't post ideas just from videos where you don't even know what's happening, but try to inform yourself about what's actually happening.
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I thought you would have learned anything from the previous argument we've had, but apparently not. Play the game before coming up with ideas like this, as you are again not knowing what you're talking about.
Sorry for trying to help. Is it that hard to explain where I’m wrong when I make questions? Wow.
I thought you would have learned anything from the previous argument we've had, but apparently not. Play the game before coming up with ideas like this, as you are again not knowing what you're talking about.
Sorry for trying to help. Is it that hard to explain where I’m wrong when I make questions? Wow.
I'm still really amazed that you managed to derail an entire thread for a fighting game and a three frame improvement over to 'I can do better than these heavily optimised tactics', then backpedaling to your mom's womb when called out on it, all without the opinon of the author of the movie himself, him being one of the best Tekken TASers.
How can you get to that point, even? Dude.
'I can do better than these heavily optimised tactics'
I never even said that, lol. Sounds like the only one who’s actually been reading my posts was Mothrayas. You others should really leave the conversation to the staff.
I never even said that, lol. Sounds like the only one who’s actually been reading my posts was Mothrayas. You others should really leave the conversation to the staff.
The problem is that we already explained to you that you were wrong, and you continue to argue as if we didn't just explain to you. It's all right to want to help, but seriously just stop. You've derailed this topic enough.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Sorry for trying to help. Is it that hard to explain where I’m wrong when I make questions? Wow.
First off, realize that uninformed posts/suggestions like this do not help anyone. If you have actual questions, post those in a relevant thread and not in a way that you're trying to "prove" something.
I'm being serious here when I say that you do not know what you are talking about, as all you are doing is some vague inferring from some video material. I know you follow Street Fighter a lot, but this game is not Street Fighter, as you seem to have no concept of how input works in this game (as you assumed a 2-frame input was improvable with no evidence), moves (not at all knowing Yoshi's Healing move), variations in moves (Spinning Harakiri is not the same as Harakiri, and importantly, they do not have the same damage properties either), or stances (good luck landing a Harakiri facing front without using some other move first).
And keep in mind, I'm not a Tekken 3 pro by any means. This is simple basic research that you can figure out by picking up the game once and looking up a movelist. So do that when trying to think of improvements, it's not hard and you won't run the risk of sounding like someone who has no clue of what's actually going on.
Also, you are intentionally misquoting me here by leaving out the part where I actually explain what's happening and where you were wrong. Do not try this again or I will be less friendly to you next time.
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If you try to do this in 3 frames it doesn't work.
This requires tapping forward, then holding forward and pressing 1+4
If you do Forward, frame advance, Forward+1+4 the game interprets this as tap forward twice and not holding it.
As such, it is required for you to do the following inputs
Frame 1: Forward
Frame 2: Blank
Frame 3: Forward
Frame 4: Forward+1+4
If you try to do this in 3 frames Yoshi will punch.
Link to video
Just so you can see a 3 frame attemp resulting in the incorrect input.
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I'll be writing "Spinning Harakiri" as the Tekken 3 name from here on out which is "Suicide".
Harakiri - d+1+4
Is a stationary attack where it will attack whoever is behind Yoshi.
Meditation - SS+3+4
Is a sidestep type move where you display your back to the other player.
You are unable to do Harakiri in this state.
If you leave it going for too long you will lose the round. What you can follow it up with is...
Soul Siphon - 1+4 or 2+3
This move which continues from "Meditation" and turns Yoshi around and take health (or give health when you hold forward whilst doing it ("Possession")) to the opponent.
Fake Suicide - f,f+1+4 (while moving)
Does the entire move to suicide but ends with Yoshi showing his back to the opponent.
Suicide - f,F+1+4 (while moving)
This move does the full move of where Yoshi presents his back and ends with a Harakiri.
Double Suicide - f,F+3+4,f,f (while moving)
After Suicide you can add extra input to stab Yoshi again, if you fail at KOing the opponent you will lose the round.
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If that’s the perfect input, are you pausing in the “blank” frame to possibly be able to skip it?
I’ll go grab the game and play around with it myself…
If you do Forward, frame advance, Forward+1+4 the game interprets this as tap forward twice and not holding it.
As such, it is required for you to do the following inputs
Frame 1: Forward
Frame 2: Blank
Frame 3: Forward
Frame 4: Forward+1+4
This is wrong, lol. “Suicide” is initiated from a dash.
1: Forward
2: Blank
3: Forward
This initiates the dash.
4: 1+4
This initiates the “Suicide” stance, which starts with the second dash.
23: Forward
24: Forward
This initiates “Suicide”, the blade going through yourself.
Sure you can just hold forward through it all and get the move to come out, but that’s not how the move works. Holding inputs through multiple frames also doesn’t count as making the move come out in “2 frames”, you have to count every frame you hold the buttons for, lol.
Overall the explanations that have been provided about the move before this post were pretty much as noobish as I thought they were.
The fact that you just suggested we be able to skip the blank input means that you have actually no idea what's going on. This has been explained to you in depth, if you still do not believe us, then yes, getting the game and playing with it is the only way to answer your questions.
You don't NEED to dash and do the back stance in order to do a spinning harakiri because doing the input I described will do it for you. I provided you a video where you can very clearly see I only did inputs on 4 frames. Watch it again if you're confused.
The fact that you just suggested we be able to skip the blank input means that you have actually no idea what's going on. This has been explained to you in depth, if you still do not believe us, then yes, getting the game and playing with it is the only way to answer your questions.
You don't NEED to dash and do the back stance in order to do a spinning harakiri because doing the input I described will do it for you. I provided you a video where you can very clearly see I only did inputs on 4 frames. Watch it again if you're confused.
Oh God. Everything in this post is wrong. Go look at your video, you’re holding down Forward+1+4 through many multiple frames, you aren’t inputting only on 4 frames.
Also just read my post. I have explained how the move works in perfect detail, try and go play with the game yourself maybe. It’s what I did to figure the move out.
Edit: Quoting my post because of the new page hiding it:
ALAKTORN wrote:
Raelcun wrote:
If you do Forward, frame advance, Forward+1+4 the game interprets this as tap forward twice and not holding it.
As such, it is required for you to do the following inputs
Frame 1: Forward
Frame 2: Blank
Frame 3: Forward
Frame 4: Forward+1+4
This is wrong, lol. “Suicide” is initiated from a dash.
1: Forward
2: Blank
3: Forward
This initiates the dash.
4: 1+4
This initiates the “Suicide” stance, which starts with the second dash.
23: Forward
24: Forward
This initiates “Suicide”, the blade going through yourself.
Sure you can just hold forward through it all and get the move to come out, but that’s not how the move works. Holding inputs through multiple frames also doesn’t count as making the move come out in “2 frames”, you have to count every frame you hold the buttons for, lol.
Overall the explanations that have been provided about the move before this post were pretty much as noobish as I thought they were.
Congratulations, ALAKTORN. Your master rusing tactics have gotten us yet again.
I can't see how you are not doing this on purpose, as I fail to this day to know someone with this much stubborness and flat out idiocy.
I’ve actually gone and got the game to prove that I was right all along. What idiocy are you seeing? The one I’m seeing is not coming from me.
Raelcun I didn’t mean to offend you by the way, but seriously you’re wrong.
I’ve actually gone and got the game to prove that I was right all along. What idiocy are you seeing? The one I’m seeing is not coming from me.
Raelcun I didn’t mean to offend you by the way, but seriously you’re wrong.
I did read your post. If you've played with the game to "figure it out" then you very clearly didn't figure it out properly.
Your method results in the same thing as what I described, go look at the frame counter.
Both versions wind up with the enemy taking damage on frame 52. Congratulations you found an alternate input that makes no difference at all. Care to stop shitting up this thread now?
How about next time you try actually TASing it, counting the frames and trying all of the other methods instead of just yours.
Both versions wind up with the enemy taking damage on frame 52. Congratulations you found an alternate input that makes no difference at all. Care to stop shitting up this thread now?
You don’t understand. I explained how the move works, I never said my method was faster. Your method is perfectly fine but it was the explanation of the move that I’ve been given by you and others in this thread that was wrong. I was just explaining how the move works, because clearly nobody here understood it.
I haven’t bothered with trying to improve the TAS yet, I’ll look into that later on.
You don’t understand. I explained how the move works, I never said my method was faster. Your method is perfectly fine but it was the explanation of the move that I’ve been given by you and others in this thread that was wrong. I was just explaining how the move works, because clearly nobody here knew.
I haven’t bothered with trying to improve the TAS yet, I’ll look into that later on.
This is wrong, lol. “Suicide” is initiated from a dash.
The only things you've done in this thread are be unnecessarily combative about basically everything, gotten aggressive at people for not explaining things to you properly, including being insulting to the TASer and other people trying to explain it to you, and then said I was wrong about my input which actually results in the same thing.
If you're going to improve the TAS do it instead of shitting up this thread. Actions speak louder than words.
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xy2_ wrote:
Congratulations, ALAKTORN. Your master rusing tactics have gotten us yet again.
I can't see how you are not doing this on purpose, as I fail to this day to know someone with this much stubborness and flat out idiocy.
Oh, you don't need to worry. He's absolutely doing this on purpose:
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my input which actually results in the same thing.
Oh my God, you don’t get it, do you? Your input DOES NOT WORK. You can’t say “frame 4: Forward+1+4” when you have to HOLD that input for MANY CONSECUTIVE FRAMES. The move does not come out in 4 frames, it comes out in 24. Your written input and the input you used in your video are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
Yes I know I’ve been insulting and baiting for responses etc. but still what I’m saying is right and right now I’m trying to educate Raelcun, because if he understood my point he could actually improve as a TASer.
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Oh, you don't need to worry. He's absolutely doing this on purpose: *PMs*
ALAKTORN wrote:
Yes I know I’ve been insulting and baiting for responses etc.
That's good to know.
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Yes I know I’ve been insulting and baiting for responses etc. but still what I’m saying is right and right now I’m trying to educate Raelcun, because if he understood my point he could actually improve as a TASer.
You're being pedantic for the sake of being pedantic. The fact that you need to hold the input down doesn't matter in the slightest in the actual scale of things.
I'm new to TASing, and I will be the first to admit that I can improve. I am still learning and playing around with it, but that's why I'm working on one game at the moment. That being said, this thread has made it clear that none of those improvements will come from you.
Is a stationary attack where it will attack whoever is behind Yoshi.
Meditation - SS+3+4
Is a sidestep type move where you display your back to the other player.
You are unable to do Harakiri in this state.
If you leave it going for too long you will lose the round. What you can follow it up with is...
Soul Siphon - 1+4 or 2+3
This move which continues from "Meditation" and turns Yoshi around and take health (or give health when you hold forward whilst doing it ("Possession")) to the opponent.
Fake Suicide - f,f+1+4 (while moving)
Does the entire move to suicide but ends with Yoshi showing his back to the opponent.
Suicide - f,F+1+4 (while moving)
This move does the full move of where Yoshi presents his back and ends with a Harakiri.
Double Suicide - f,F+3+4,f,f (while moving)
After Suicide you can add extra input to stab Yoshi again, if you fail at KOing the opponent you will lose the round.
