Post subject: Is the TAS community dying (No, it's not)
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I used to come here more years ago but once most of the popular games were TASed I stopped coming as often. It looks like other people have been doing the same thing.
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I think there's some kind of cognitive bias for this. Summary of the bias is that you think there's a ton of content in the past because you can consume it all at once, but relatively little content in the present because you have to wait for it to trickle out, so you overestimate productivity of the past and underestimate productivity of the present/future. Also, people not coming as often doesn't indicate overall popularity is down. It's called churn, it exists in every field ever. The question is, are more new people becoming aware of TASes to make up for it, and I would likely say YES, if you look at the exponential growth of viewer base every GDQ for example, TASing interest is very closely related to that, especially ever since the GDQs started showing TASBot block. Another bias is that most people had more free time in the past than right now - as you get a job, study harder, etc. you have less time to watch and make TASes.
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gbagcn wrote:
I used to come here more years ago but once most of the popular games were TASed I stopped coming as often. It looks like other people have been doing the same thing.
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Patashu wrote:
I think there's some kind of cognitive bias for this. Summary of the bias is that you think there's a ton of content in the past because you can consume it all at once, but relatively little content in the present because you have to wait for it to trickle out, so you overestimate productivity of the past and underestimate productivity of the present/future. Also, people not coming as often doesn't indicate overall popularity is down. It's called churn, it exists in every field ever. The question is, are more new people becoming aware of TASes to make up for it, and I would likely say YES, if you look at the exponential growth of viewer base every GDQ for example, TASing interest is very closely related to that, especially ever since the GDQs started showing TASBot block. Another bias is that most people had more free time in the past than right now - as you get a job, study harder, etc. you have less time to watch and make TASes.
Actually when I am coming less often there should be more content since more time has passed between each visit
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Speedrunning in general is bigger than ever before right now. While I would honestly be hoping it would've made for a greater boost to the popularity of tasvideos, there are plenty of new users, submissions and progress on games being made. I'd certainly call the community far from "dying" at this point.
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Remember years ago when all the popular Wii and GameCube games were already TASed? Yeah, good times! [insert proper explanation as to why the development of emulators prevents the community from dying]
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scrimpeh wrote:
Speedrunning in general is bigger than ever before right now. While I would honestly be hoping it would've made for a greater boost to the popularity of tasvideos, there are plenty of new users, submissions and progress on games being made. I'd certainly call the community far from "dying" at this point.
I seem to remember the forums being more active than they are now
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I think you're experiencing the false-consensus effect; you seem to be overestimating how many people agree with your opinion
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Roughly a year and a half back, there was a similar concern about the number of submissions decreasing. In the end, statistics proved that the submission rate has been more or less stable for the past several years. I haven't noticed any changes to the submission rate since then either. TASVideos is just as alive as ever. EDIT: I also checked statistics on the numbers of movie publications for the past five years, and numbers of "first edition" publications for the past five years. Those are all pretty stable numbers too, at roughly 250 each year and roughly 120 each year respectively. So both runs of new games and of already-run games are still coming in just fine. Certainly you may notice that some people are coming less or are disappearing from the forums entirely, but that's something that happens all the time. The difference is made up for with new members joining in at the same rate.
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Romhacking.net's forums have this nice page if you're logged in: http://www.romhacking.net/forum/index.php?action=stats#stats There you can see a slow decline of interest in ROM hacking. It would be nice to have something like that for these forums.
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mz wrote:
There you can see a slow decline of interest in ROM hacking. It would be nice to have something like that for these forums.
Imo it's arguable there's a decline there. The most online count has been very high for the past few years; maybe they're just using IRC or something more often now
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Anty-Lemon wrote:
Imo it's arguable there's a decline there. The most online count has been very high for the past few years; maybe they're just using IRC or something more often now
In 2014 there was only the half of new posts than there was in 2012 and less than one third of 2007's. I'd say it's a decline. "Most online" are just 1-day anomalies of some big websites linking certain popular projects (that FF7 NES hack, big Japan-only RPG translations, etc.), so that column can be safely ignored.
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I can only agree with you on the part where a lot of the more popular 8/16-bit titles have been done (your Marios, Pokemons, Sonics, etc.). I can still think of a few off the top of my head for the NES, SNES, and Genesis that I'd still like to see a run made, though. With that said, there's still a lot of games (especially obscure ones) that still haven't been done. And with PSXHawk coming closer to completion, that's going to open up a whole new area for TASing.
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The data suggests a pretty steady increase in the number of new players. 2015: 9 new players (This is for the first two months, so it is 4.5 new players per month = 4.5 x 12 = a total of 54 new players projected for 2015.) 2014: 50 2013: 55 (Two less than last year.) 2012: 57 (Two less than last year.) 2011: 59 2010: 42 (Douglas Adams would be proud.) 2009: 42 (Douglas Adams would be proud.) 2008: 34 2007: 62 2006: 42 (Douglas Adams would be proud.) 2005: 46 2004: 78 (All players were newbies here.)
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You got 2 replies in <3 minutes. TAS community is far from dying.
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Are less people signing up and actively participating in the tasvideos forums? The vast majority of avatars are way too familiar... Really rarely do I see an avatar I have never seen before (even more rarely from someone I don't remember seeing before, and whose post count is really low.)
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I registered on this forum to let you all know that I think the community for which I just signed up is dying. In fact, TASing as a whole is dying, as evidenced by the fact that I just started TASing a game recently. Doom and gloom.
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Vulajin wrote:
I registered on this forum to let you all know that I think the community for which I just signed up is dying. In fact, TASing as a whole is dying, as evidenced by the fact that I just started TASing a game recently. Doom and gloom.
Sorry to have you, Vulajin.
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"Come die with us!It will be fun!" tasvideos new slogan? "we live fast,we die fast" is another possibility. BTW, [deleted] .If anything,we've got a lot more activity and new contributors nowadays. ---- Mod edit: Do not throw insults.
I want all good TAS inside TASvideos, it's my motto. TAS i'm interested: Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS? i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
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Post subject: Re: Is the TAS community dying
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gbagcn wrote:
I used to come here more years ago but once most of the popular games were TASed I stopped coming as often. It looks like other people have been doing the same thing.
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thread creator is retarded
So is the Finnish Eurovision contestant of 2015, so shut the FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU up! ^__^ Link to video Edit: Also, there are so many ways in which even the supposedly non-retarded brain fails, like when processing the color of a dress, so it is not at all surprising that a vague concept like "TAS community" seems to be dying to someone. I remember having similar thoughts a few years ago, but it was probably a fallacy or illusion of some sort. Even a healthy Homo sapiens is very prone to illusions, fallacies and delusions, which can be easily verified by talking to one of the so called "religious" people. Calling them retarded would often be wrong. They just don't know. Even a seemingly healthy person can be delusional on some aspect of reality.
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aqfaq 2 lefty,enjoy your postmodernist values and confusion.
I want all good TAS inside TASvideos, it's my motto. TAS i'm interested: Megaman series, specially the RPGs! Where is the mmbn1 all chips TAS we deserve? Where is the Command Mission TAS? i'm slowly moving away from TASing fighting games for speed, maybe it's time to start finding some entertainment value in TASing.
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