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Okay I believe I have in my head how the route will be in Hornet Man. Basically, the idea is to go only Rush Coil in this stage. The main concern I have is the miniboss flower thingy. Should still be faster going all Rush Coil and then switch to Concrete shot. Will gladly give this a try after work.
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Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Well, I had some more free time so I went ahead and blew through Hornet Man's stage, too. I went with a different route skipping rush coil use again and it turned out pretty good. This stage really didn't take me long at all (compared to the other stages) so I'm not quite ready to continue on just yet. Let me know what improvements you find. I'll comb through it again later.
The only improvement I can see right now is I was one C.Shot short of finishing the mini-boss so I just finished him off with the magma bazooka. Still, it might be faster to remove one of my earlier c.shots to finish him off a little quicker. Have to see how much time that extra c.shot actually saves. If need be, we can just not kill the first scissor enemy as I did and just avoid it instead.
I'm pretty sure there's a faster way to kill Hornet Man, too.
http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20526135589881668
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Diggi, mind doing a quick encode of your Hornet Man stage? By the way am I the only one noticing the map designers really liked adding a lot of ladders and going up and down? :)
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Thanks Alaktorn. Took a ton of rerecords to find all those little tricks haha.
Here's the encode, AngerFist. Think it's possible to get another corner zip at 0:46.
Link to video
Sorry for not being able to help at all :/
I just have a lots of tests and I do want to keep my good grades and not screw up everything because of TASing :/
(but holidays are friday so I'll be able to help on friday ;D)
Sorry guys :( (did nothing on Galaxy Man except some inputs on Galaxy Man and found the ladder trick)
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At 0:30 do you have to wait that long to shoot that thing in order to get shot in the correct place? It looks slow. The strategy looks pretty solid I guess… except for that 1 C.Shot that was used to kill an enemy and not zip anything. Rush Coil should be tested but I think it’s slower.
Is the midboss not killed faster by the fire weapon? If you could avoid C.Shotting it as much you may be able to zip somewhere else. You had some Fire thing leftover after the boss. Also was it really necessary to kill the small bees at the boss? Looked like it slowed you down.
At 0:30 do you have to wait that long to shoot that thing in order to get shot in the correct place?
At 0:30, the c.shot is a terrible weapon for triggering those Bokazurah's to fire they're shots. There's a large portion of their sprite that actually acts as a wall, and will spawn a concrete block on them instead of actually hitting them. You can see the first one I have to run all the way to the end of the screen. That's one of the reasons why rush coil start might be faster to avoid that and zip a few more times.
If the mini boss is killed faster by the magma bazooka, then it might not be beneficial to use the C. Shot at all. Zips only save 8-9 frames per zip, and there's only 14 shots available. So even with the full bar, only 126 frames can be saved by zipping, but it takes 150 frames to switch to c. shot and back. But I found some other uses for C.shot like the platforming up at the beginning which save a lot of frames so it should still be beneficial as whole. Still have a lot of testing to do on this stage.
And don't worry about it got4n. I'm in the same boat. Last week was hell, but I made it through my midterms which gave me free some time to TAS. Take care of your priorities first, there really is no time limit on this thing. Hell, it took me over 4 months to do Mega Man 10, and that was with bringing my laptop into work TAS'ing over my lunch break lol. We're making pretty good progress here, but as last the last level showed, it's better to be slower and relentless to make sure we test every possible option.
Also, I just watched this TAS play out next to TheTrueSigma's 32:01 RTA and we've gained about 30 seconds by this point, a 5% improvement. It might be close, but we should be able break 30 minutes and finish in the 29's. We'll need some groundbreaking discoveries in the wily levels to make it though. At this rate we're still looking at low 30's.
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I am at the miniboss with Rush Coil. Unfortunately, I cannot one round him with simple shots :( I am 3 shots away from it so it won't work. I guess I should switch to Magma weapon since I have no choice. Quite sure your version is much faster.
Edit: here is my file: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20584096173162757
It's merely 19 frames slower than yours :((( IF we would somehow manage a one round fight with the miniboss, my version would most definitely be faster. Also, you forgot a minor thing in your version, ladder zip just before the gate. Again, if we somehow would manage finding those three shots and make a one round fight against the miniboss, we then would have a definite version. One possible route is to switch to Magma Bazooka right before the miniboss.
Edit 2: I tried using all Magma Bazooka on the miniboss but it's really slow. Slower than Mega Buster. So your version is the fastest one Diggi.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Haha watching these two routes play out next to each other is fun. You pull ahead, then I pull ahead, then you pull ahead, then I pull a little more ahead, and you get a tiny bit more ahead, and then I finish just barely in front haha.
I don't have time to test it right now, but I think the main improvement to my route would be to save one of the C.Shots for the mini boss so we'd have exactly the right amount of shots left to kill him. There's two possible shots for this. Either the first zip, since you've shown that you can kill him with the buster without having to stop, or the scissor enemy. I killed him even though I didn't zip because I couldn't find a way around him without stopping. It's possible that sacrificing the frames necessary to evade him can be made up at the miniboss.
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Go for it my man! I am sure you can easily manage by your own. Simply test if you can avoid one of the scissors. If not, then remove one of the zips. Definitely worth saving one more Concrete Shot for the miniboss. Let me know if you need any hand. Good luck.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20756350924400775
Alright, here's the alternate strategy for killing the mini boss with full concrete shots. It's exactly 100 108 frames faster going into that last screen transition. Switching to Magma here then finishing the level out like my first run should be faster by about 25 33 frames. I'll try to hex in the input later.
Actually, I think there's some improvements to be made on the last half still (besides the missed ladder grab). The extendable platforms can be corner zipped off of. I only did it once, but I think there's a way to get two corner zips. We should redo the second half manually to find improvements.
::EDIT::
Deleted the encode because I found another 8 frames in the boss fight. Updated the file with the improvement. Total improvement is 36 frames now.
Finished Hornet Man. Saved a total of 36 frames off my first run. Was enough to even save another second off the game save clock. I did change up the boss fight as well, but I wasn't able to actually find any improvements. I was close, but he's still left with 2 pixels of life at the end.
Here's the file:
http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20776093104584871
Also, I went ahead and synced all three routes for the lulz. Like I said, it's fun to watch them run side by side. I failed at resizing the end of the video though.
Left to right:
Concrete Only | Concrete + Magma | Rush Coil Only
Link to video
I feel like the mid route was just as fast as the left, except that it didn't do the concrete shot on the third bomb dispenser while dropping (instead using it after landing and jumping again), so it's not really a fair comparison on that regard.
I feel like the mid route was just as fast as the left, except that it didn't do the concrete shot on the third bomb dispenser while dropping (instead using it after landing and jumping again), so it's not really a fair comparison on that regard.
This is true, I only included it to show improvements because it was the first run. But it does use a c.shot earlier in the level on a scissor enemy that I saved for the mini boss instead. It's more of a simple improvement than a different route, but I could have used that c. shot anywhere to get a good zip and finish the miniboss off with magma, but this proved to be slower than sticking with c.shot.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
I don’t think this was ever answered.
He obviously had to shoot them, otherwise they move too rapidly to dodge them. I briefly tased Hornet Man and I couldn't either dodge them upon the first set of shots.
Great job Diggi! Onwards with the next boss.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Also was it really necessary to kill the small bees at the boss? Looked like it slowed you down.
I don’t think this was ever answered. Also I see you were able to improve the shot on that ball-shooting thing, lol.
Actually, I answered this with the latest run. The answer is no, its not necessary. One of the bees can be avoided to get an extra hit on the boss. This ALMOST saves about 8 frames, but the boss still has 2 pixels of life left as shown here (this is frame 32553 using this strategy, note the boss/bee location and life left).
In the run, I have to wait and shoot the boss here in order for him to take damage from all three shots (because of his upwards movement). This also puts me in the middle of room where I need to be which means the time is the same whether I shoot the bees or not (frame 32561).
Not shooting the bee would definitely be a faster in game time strategy, though, since you can switch weapons in between hits to finish off that last 2 pixels and there's no need to be in the center of the room. But the boss fight still looks better now. And were you're right about the ball-shooting thing. That was one of the improvements to the run.
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First version of Jewel Man is right here: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20800593924829461
Pretty easy stage to work on. I think there isn't much to be tested. I am going to test redoing the second half of the stage, avoid getting hit from the spider and see if it saves time. I manipulated my bees to beeeeeee very beeeautiful and helpful ^_^ The boss is the easiest boss I have ever seen. If you jump, he jumps, if you walk, he walks, if you eyeball him he will go ballistic on your ass!
Edit: For reference, the first began moving upwards at frame 39771.
Edit 2: As far as I am concerned, if you remove the first from the spider, you are forced to take hit from the another spider since your H.Bomb is still active and thus you cannot create a new one in time to avoid damage. Therefore I have nothing more to add to this stage. Your call now Diggi.
Edit 3: ...And I just finished the boss. It might look unoptimized (you can perhaps squeeze a few frames) but as I understand it, it's pretty much optimized. http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20802764904195851
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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I went on with Splash Woman in case you won't find any improvements in Jewel Man. If you do, please try hex-editing.
Flash Woman is a pretty straightforward stage so I am about 50% done with the stage. Here is what I have got so far: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20805414737138091
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
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Aaaaaaaaaand here is me kicking Splash Woman's ass real good. http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20825411004531613 It was a bit hard manipulating the bees to move down or up but overall I am quite satisfied with the fight. There was one instance (I think it's the second hit) where a bee delayed by 2 frames to hit her. I obviously tried firing the bee 1-2 frames earlier but she still had her vulnerability period so no dice there. Other than that, the fight is pretty much spot on.
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
Nice work! Gotta love them bees. I'll see if I can find any improvements, but it looks pretty solid.
:UPDATE:http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20868466338130691
I saved 14 frames by the end of Jewel Man's stage, which was enough to take another second off the game clock. Most of it came from avoiding the second spider instead of hitting it, and the rest came from using a weapon refresh on the boss. I was curious if this was faster since I didn't use it when I TAS'd Jewel Man back in 2011 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLbR3C7iHfc). Your strategy was faster than mine from back then by about half a second, but I was able to squeeze in a weapon cancel here and this new strategy is the fastest by about 2 frames!
There's still a couple more spots I want to check on Jewel Man's stage before I attempt to hex edit in Splash Woman's stage.
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Very cool of you my man! I begun working a bit on Plug Man. Nothing much, a few hundred frames. I am where you use Rush Jet to fly over the long area of spikes. I will upload it later today when I come home in case you will hex-edit today.
Edit: here is the file: http://tasvideos.org/userfiles/info/20893209382961590
Nitrogenesis wrote:
Guys I come from the DidyKnogRacist communite, and you are all wrong, tihs is the run of the mileniun and everyone who says otherwise dosnt know any bater! I found this run vary ease to masturbate too!!!! Don't fuck with me, I know this game so that mean I'm always right!StupedfackincommunityTASVideoz!!!!!!
Arc wrote:
I enjoyed this movie in which hands firmly gripping a shaft lead to balls deep in multiple holes.
natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
Cooljay wrote:
Mayor Haggar and Cody are such nice people for the community. Metro City's hospitals reached an all time new record of incoming patients due to their great efforts :P
In the run, I have to wait and shoot the boss here in order for him to take damage from all three shots (because of his upwards movement). This also puts me in the middle of room where I need to be which means the time is the same whether I shoot the bees or not (frame 32561).
Not shooting the bee would definitely be a faster in game time strategy, though, since you can switch weapons in between hits to finish off that last 2 pixels and there's no need to be in the center of the room. But the boss fight still looks better now. And were you're right about the ball-shooting thing. That was one of the improvements to the run.
