Oh, oh... I should have tested it first, but I was so excited that I thought it would work. :(
I'm sorry, just scratch everything that I said before, the DDG by bees cancels the Auto Turn Delay;
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/711288583/Sam_Laptop_Oddsyee_Any_Run.pxm
There must be something else that works and we'll find it eventually, but the bees are not the answer. Let's keep trying.
Have you tried setting up the glitch first then do the auto turn afterwards?
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Its me Sligfantry; may I interject! It takes the master glitch finder for this sort of thing! ;) Here's how to skip both of them: http://youtu.be/x0ZJuQchQfs
Its incredibly easy really; you'll kick yourself for not finding it. Its all to do with another small glitch where bees stop Abe from turning around and running back into the wall during the ledge glitch setup - so instead he'll simply run in the other direction.
You'll also see that its possible to set the DDG by sneaking instead of running. Getting the DDG to work at the spot shown seems to be hit & miss, so some more testing needs to be done; and also more testing in general to find the fastest way to do everything.
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Wow! What a way to set the DDG by bees, and they're also useful to set the Auto Turn Delay... well, what do I know? I congratulate you, sir.
edit:
patsh wrote:
Getting the DDG to work at the spot shown seems to be hit & miss
I don't know if it's 100% correct, but here's some memory addresses that I'm using.
Abe's alive between 217 and 25, the DDG happens when it reaches zero, so it's not so hard to optimize;
--Abe's Oddysee TAS script
cheat = false
gui.register( function()
res = memory.readbyte(0x00082170)
gre = memory.readbyte(0x001F6204)
abh = memory.readbyte(0x001F6169)
abx = memory.readword(0x001F6112)
aby = memory.readword(0x001F6116)
con = joypad.get(1)
if cheat == false and con.select then cheat = true;end
if cheat == true and con.start then cheat = false;end
if cheat == true then
if con.r2 then abx = abx + 1; end
if con.l2 then abx = abx - 1; end
if con.l1 then aby = aby - 1; end
if con.r1 then aby = aby + 1; end
memory.writeword(0x001F6112,abx)
memory.writeword(0x001F6116,aby)
end
gui.text(10,30,"Grenade/Rock: "..gre)
gui.text(10,40,"Abe's Health: "..abh)
gui.text(10,50,"Abe's X posi: "..abx)
gui.text(10,60,"Abe's Y posi: "..aby)
gui.text(10,70,"Mudokon Free: "..res)
end)
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
OMG! OMG! This is excellent news! Thanks a lot Sligfantry. I will be starting my new TAS tonight as soon as I get my ps3 controller working with PCSX. Dooty, what do I do to get the ram address to work?
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Just to know, is there a point using a PS3 controller when TASing?
This game works better with a controller as the glitches like the stop turn are hard to do with a keyboard.
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Samlaptop wrote:
what do I do to get the ram address to work?
Copy the text in the code box, open Notepad and paste it, then save it as [file].lua
Inside PCSX / PSXjin, open a LUA window (I think it's under File menu), choose the script (the file you made), and run it.
The info the script produces will now be on screen.
Copy the text in the code box, open Notepad and paste it, then save it as [file].lua
Inside PCSX / PSXjin, open a LUA window (I think it's under File menu), choose the script (the file you made), and run it.
The info the script produces will now be on screen.
Cool. I'll try that. A JAW dev comes back to me on Twitter and says "It won't work in New 'n' Tasty."
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
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Warepire wrote:
Inside PCSX / PSXjin, open a LUA window (I think it's under File menu), choose the script (the file you made), and run it.
Yes, and do it in that order:
1) File->Lua Scripting->New Lua Script Window... (select your Lua file and run it)
2) File->Movie->Start Recording.../Start Playback... (select your movie file)
After that, a window will pop up for you to select your game image file.
That order is important to avoid crashing the emulator, depending on your operational system;
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
Inside PCSX / PSXjin, open a LUA window (I think it's under File menu), choose the script (the file you made), and run it.
Yes, and do it in that order:
1) File->Lua Scripting->New Lua Script Window... (select your Lua file and run it)
2) File->Movie->Start Recording.../Start Playback... (select your movie file)
After that, a window will pop up for you to select your game image file.
That order is important to avoid crashing the emulator, depending on your operational system;
Thanks Dooty. Now al I need to do now is to get the PS3 controller working and I'll be TASing the any% run. How do i go about taking frames out from our previous run to the point where I need to do the DDG by Bats? then once I did the skip, I'll take the frames out from the moment he goes into the bomb for the invisibility.
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
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I now have a PS3 controller here, but I can't even play games with it. :(
But since yours is working with ePSXe, joytokey will probably work for you.
About reusing our published run, I strongly recommend you to not do that. Improving it from scratch will be a lot easier.
There are (small) improvements throughout the run, and now that it will be so short, you can't let those mistakes in it.
Abe's Oddysee does not require too much precision in terms of input, but I also recommend you to use V-Sync Advance instead of Frame Advance.
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
I now have a PS3 controller here, but I can't even play games with it. :(
But since yours is working with ePSXe, joytokey will probably work for you.
About reusing our published run, I strongly recommend you to not do that. Improving it from scratch will be a lot easier.
There are (small) improvements throughout the run, and now that it will be so short, you can't let those mistakes in it.
Abe's Oddysee does not require too much precision in terms of input, but I also recommend you to use V-Sync Advance instead of Frame Advance.
Ok cool. Since I never done a whole TAS before I'm gonna need all the help I'm need. How do I go about using v-sync advance?
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
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Once you get JoyToKey to work, go to;
Tools->Map Hotkeys
double-click VSync Advance and press the button you want to be asigned to it.
I like to advance frames on the RB button on the xbox360 controller, R1 on the PS3 controller.
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Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:08:28.4 (with Dooty)
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:16.27
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Nice find, keep it up! By the looks of it, it's a lot faster than the old method.
Samlaptop wrote:
Have you found a quicker way on doing the new skip Dooty?
After so many months trying to do the DDG by bees without jumping, I think that the fastest way to set it up, and be able to set the Auto Turn Delay also faster, is using the "jump twice". You can also keep walking to the left while the bees attack you in the first wave, just be sure to let them sting Abe until his health drops to 25.
edit:
oh, in the second wave, stay two jumps away from the ledge, so you can drop down as soon as you set the DDG. Turn around and press "Up" for two frames and run to the right.
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
Nice find, keep it up! By the looks of it, it's a lot faster than the old method.
Samlaptop wrote:
Have you found a quicker way on doing the new skip Dooty?
After so many months trying to do the DDG by bees without jumping, I think that the fastest way to set it up, and be able to set the Auto Turn Delay also faster, is using the "jump twice". You can also keep walking to the left while the bees attack you in the first wave, just be sure to let them sting Abe until his health drops to 25.
edit:
oh, in the second wave, stay two jumps away from the ledge, so you can drop down as soon as you set the DDG. Turn around and press "Up" for two frames and run to the right.
I am struggling to do it Sligfantry's method so if you find an easier method show me how it's done with a movie starting from a state that starts from the Monsaic lines.
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:16.27
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Yeah, whether running or sneaking, it is really hard to do the DDG consistently. To set up the DDG jumping twice on the other hand is trivial, even in real time.
I'm not at home right now, but as soon as I get there I'll test both methods, jumping and sneaking to be sure which one is faster.
I mentioned something about a trick involving the lifts a few days ago, and I think I finally figured out how to use it. I'll test it too, and I'll let you know if it works.
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
Yeah, whether running or sneaking, it is really hard to do the DDG consistently. To set up the DDG jumping twice on the other hand is trivial, even in real time.
I'm not at home right now, but as soon as I get there I'll test both methods, jumping and sneaking to be sure which one is faster.
I mentioned something about a trick involving the lifts a few days ago, and I think I finally figured out how to use it. I'll test it too, and I'll let you know if it works.
Cool. I will probably do my real time run first before TASing as I can't get my PS3 controller to work. I wish they'd make a fix to the other emulator they use.
Edit: For this run I'll be using the PSX version as there are some things that the PC vesion can't do like the jump past the Sligs in the StockYards.
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:16.27
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The lift trick failed, I was trying to pull the lever twice and jump, but Abe always reaches the next screen before the lift. :(
But here's the DDG demo I promised;
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1858906368/Sam_Laptop_Oddsyee_Any_Run.pxm
Abe can't stop closer to the ledge while sneaking, at least I can't make it work; he falls and dies... but sneaking is definitely faster than jump twice.
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
The lift trick failed, I was trying to pull the lever twice and jump, but Abe always reaches the next screen before the lift. :(
But here's the DDG demo I promised;
http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1858906368/Sam_Laptop_Oddsyee_Any_Run.pxm
Abe can't stop closer to the ledge while sneaking, at least I can't make it work; he falls and dies... but sneaking is definitely faster than jump twice.
Cool. I'll have a look at that later. I'll do the new any% update but I need to get my PS3 controller working with PCSX as I still can't get it to work.
If you managed to find a way on setting up the controller and getting it working, you can make a video tutorrial using hypercam which is free.
Update: It looks like you've done the hardest part of the run and I'll use this file to finish the run off as I can take inputs from our recent any% file. For some reason the software won't allow me copy and psate frames from other movie files. I hope they add this founctionality.
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:16.27
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Nice, I think it's the fastest way to set everithing up, so, go for it.
Samlaptop wrote:
1) If you managed to find a way on setting up the controller and getting it working, you can make a video tutorrial using hypercam which is free.
2)For some reason the software won't allow me copy and paste frames from other movie files. I hope they add this founctionality.
1) I finally managed to make it work here, I had to install the Motioninjoy driver, I'll send you the JoyToKey config file.
2) It's already possible; you just need to take note of the frame from the old movie you want to replace, then open the file I sent you, select everything and copy.
Open the old movie, navigate to the frame you took note, right click and "Paste Before".
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
Nice, I think it's the fastest way to set everithing up, so, go for it.
Samlaptop wrote:
1) If you managed to find a way on setting up the controller and getting it working, you can make a video tutorrial using hypercam which is free.
2)For some reason the software won't allow me copy and paste frames from other movie files. I hope they add this founctionality.
1) I finally managed to make it work here, I had to install the Motioninjoy driver, I'll send you the JoyToKey config file.
2) It's already possible; you just need to take note of the frame from the old movie you want to replace, then open the file I sent you, select everything and copy.
Open the old movie, navigate to the frame you took note, right click and "Paste Before".
Luckily last year I created the '27:01 with input' video that shows me what frame I need to copy from from our run. I'm still at College at the moment but when I get back to my residence I'll do it, watch it and pray it syncs all the way through, and if it does, you'll see a submission! If it doesn't sync all the way through, I'll send it to you to fix the desyncs and then send it back to me and I'll submit it.
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Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:16.27
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Okay, just make sure to use the most up to date version of Tas Movie Editor. The one from the PCSX-rr page is outdated, and will probably cause problems. (it doesn't have the "Paste Before" option)
I am old enough to know better, but not enough to do it.
I need to remove frames and what's the less time consuming method on removing frames? I have to keep scrolling down and selecting all the frames!
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Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:08:28.4 (with Dooty)
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:05:01.65
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:18
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus in 37:15
Oddworld: Abe's Exoddus 100% in 2:!5.44.12
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 13:01.3
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee any% in 12:59.95
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:16.27
Oddworld: Abe's Oddysee 100% in 1:04:01.07
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