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Posted: 10/30/2013 9:57 PM
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SoR2 has more varied locations and better music; SoR3 is a more impressive technical achievement. Personally I find SoR2 easier to watch. SoR3 just has too many long corridors filled with far too many enemies. But honestly they're both great movies; I don't think there will be many complaints regardless of which you choose.
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Posted: 11/1/2013 4:03 PM
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And it's starred now. Thanks! I've ran some statistics over the Star tier and found it interesting that the guideline that 10% of moon runs get a star is also maintained over subcategories; for example, out of 493 moon platform games, 49 are starred. I suppose that's intentional? It certainly feels fitting. For the sake of showing some numbers, the biggest differences I found were these. I'm not asking to change anything here, I just thought it'd be interesting.
  • Action genre (28 out of 211)
  • NES console (22 out of 191)
  • SNES console (17 out of 137)
  • Genesis console (6 out of 103)
  • RPG genre (3 out of 68)
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Posted: 12/2/2013 10:59 AM
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I would like to nominate Jetpack for Star Tier. When it was first published, the judge wrote "The responses to this run have for the most part been very positive, and I find this run to be our best TAS for the combination of action + puzzle platformer. Levels like It's not raining rain demonstrate luck manipulation and precision rarely even seen in a TAS. Many of the enemy packed levels are completed with an I control reality attitude which is only seen in our best TASs. Therefore, I am accepting for stars." There was some dissent over this and it was decided that putting it in Star Tier was premature, putting it in Moons for now. However, the game has now been on the site for over a month, and has received very good audience feedback. So I think this shows it's deserving of its star after all.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 3:27 PM
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Starred Jetpack. Destarred movies with 7.2 and lower entertainment rating. Feel free to suggest destars as well!
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Posted: 12/4/2013 7:13 PM
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feos wrote:
Starred Jetpack. Destarred movies with 7.2 and lower entertainment rating. Feel free to suggest destars as well!
If movies need destarring, I would suggest to start with games that have multiple movies in star tier; for the sake of variety and diversity I would prefer if each individual game only gets into star tier once (e.g. Super Metroid and Super Mario 64 currently have two starred movies, Super Mario World has three). That's just my opinion though, some other people may want to weigh in on that.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 7:17 PM
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Some super complex games really provide enough variety in both branches to allow 2 be starred. I have more doubts about games from one franchise for the same platform. 3 NES megamen and similar.
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Posted: 12/4/2013 9:26 PM
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So basically, GBA Sonic Advance / SA 2 GB Link's Awakening / LA DX Genesis Sonic 2 / 3 NES Megaman 1 / 2 / 5 PSX Megaman X4 / 8 SNES Megaman X2 / Bass / that triple run Hm, I just noticed that out of 71 star tier runs, eight are Megaman and two more are Megaman clones. That may be overdoing it just a bit :) (edit) And there are 11 Super Mario runs, including one romhack; and six total Sonic runs.
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Posted: 12/5/2013 11:15 AM
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I agree that too many games from the same game franchise may warrant destarring at least some of them.
Posted: 12/5/2013 12:00 PM
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Ok... in that case, would it be ok to put back the four movies destarred yesterday (Vice Project Doom, Commander Keen, Super Mario Land, Bucky O'Hare), and instead discuss what we should do about the franchises that may be overrepresented in Star Tier? Current count is 71 Stars (75 if we put back the four mentioned above), 736 Moons.
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Posted: 12/7/2013 4:09 AM
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As a Megaman fan, I feel that the series is over-represented on the star list, though I wouldn't know which ones to remove. With SMW, I'd suggest unstarring this run. I would suggest this Kid Chameleon run as a potential replacement, but the rating suggests otherwise. :/ I would like to suggest Sub Terrania as a star-worthy candidate. To my knowledge, it is the only game of the Asteroids/Thrust-genre on this site, and it's significantly faster-paced and more varied than other games of its genre would end up being (such as Solar Jetman). The death-abuse helps give the viewer an idea of the craft's fragility, which makes the health-management and super-fast speeding around much more impressive. Watching the run is what honestly got me interested in playing the game for the first time and falling in love with it.
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Posted: 12/7/2013 3:06 PM
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Well, I may suggest one movie to be starred - [2443] GC 007: Nightfire by gamerfreak5665 & alec_kermit in 39:55.45. Even though it's kind of genre I don't like, I found it remarkably interesting. Not only does it provide visually entertaining scenes in many spot (like carving bullet holes in shape or playing with enemy in various way), but it keeps in fast pace abusing ridiculous tricks (sneaking into walls, massive headshots, etc). Some auto-scroll levels hurt the mood, however the authors did a good work to fill the remaining time.
Posted: 1/1/2014 7:42 PM
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I think it would be interesting to continue the discussion here about which movies to remove if Star Tier becomes too large. As recently discussed in another thread, Star Tier is not "the fifty highest-rated movies on the site", so that means that merely having high ratings is not enough to move a movie into Star Tier, but it also means that if the tier is too large, dropping the lowest-rated movies is not necessarily the best approach, but other factors should be taken into account as well. With the most recent addition to Star Tier, the five lowest movies in that tier were dropped out; I believe the best approach would be to restore those five, and discuss here which movies should be moved to Moon Tier and why.
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Posted: 7/6/2014 4:03 PM
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Magician Lord could use a star: http://tasvideos.org/2632M.html Good pacing, many nice tricks, easy to follow, looks optimized, nice music, nice graphics, funny cutscenes, unconventional ending. The input is also 71% shorter than average.
Posted: 8/10/2014 5:26 PM
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Magician Lord got hilarious rating, starred. Now how about moving Sonic Advance "Sonic"'s star to "Amy"?
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Posted: 8/11/2014 2:13 PM
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feos wrote:
Magician Lord got hilarious rating, starred. Now how about moving Sonic Advance "Sonic"'s star to "Amy"?
I agree. My «meh» vote was (hopefully obviously) joke there.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 3:53 PM
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feos wrote:
Magician Lord got hilarious rating, starred. Now how about moving Sonic Advance "Sonic"'s star to "Amy"?
I concur. Aside from that, I suggest that [1974] DOS Commander Keen: Episode 4 - Secret of the Oracle by turska in 10:28.28 is returned to star status. It was placed in Star Tier in november 2012 by Nach and moved to Moons a year later. As far as I know there has been no discussion on de-starring it nor have I seen any reason given. This is a highly popular DOS game, to the point where it still has an active modding community 23 years after its release, and it's an entertaining run that shows off most of the actual game while still pulling tricks that are supposed to be impossible. Besides, we only have a single starred DOS movie, so I believe that platform is somewhat underrepresented in our Star Tier.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 4:19 PM
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http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=335055#335055 http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=351961#351961
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Posted: 8/11/2014 4:46 PM
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Star Tier is not merely the set of movies with the highest ratings. Therefore it doesn't make sense that, to star any new movie, the lowest-rating movie has to be destarred. For example, when starring Magician Lord, it was also not the case that the lowest-rating movie had to be destarred. And for the suggestion to move Sonic Advance's star just now it was also not the case that the lowest-rating movie had to be destarred either.
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Posted: 8/11/2014 5:14 PM
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Who said it happens that way? The only thing that was forced was 10% quota. I'm open for destar suggestions of movies that have _high_ entertainment ratings, if the quota is already reached and we need something new starred. Right now there are 7 spare places. Low ratings just mean than not enough people find a movie outstanding.
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Posted: 10/26/2014 10:33 PM
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Can we put a Star to The Spongebob SquarePants Movie game? This movie always entertains me, and I've seen it a couple of times in the Featured Movie section in the site's home page, so... why not?
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Posted: 10/30/2014 10:46 PM
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http://tasvideos.org/1378M.html Crusaders of Centy. Looking at this, I have literally no idea why this game isn't star tier. It's massively entertaining to watch, especially the beach segment and generally everything after you learn to jump, because you can boost off so many things and there are so many supporting tricks based on the level design, the sword swinging and boomeranging, some limited out of bounds action, and the various animals you get. I figure it just got overlooked considering barely anyone has heard of the game before far as I know.
Posted: 10/31/2014 9:51 AM
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This TAS is actually quite obsolete, the fastest speedrun is currently 44:56 using at least a new sequence break and a lot more clippings. Someone is already working on it.
Posted: 11/10/2014 2:25 PM
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Ah, I'm sorry, I was not aware. I eagerly await an updated TAS.
Posted: 1/20/2015 10:10 PM
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[2430] PSX Warcraft II: The Dark Saga "Orc Campaign" by Flip in 1:32:51.75 ... Warcraft II is a very unique run, because RTS TASes are quite uncommon. The run demonstrates what a TAS of an RTS looks like quite well. It's also a quite well known game; one of the most popular RTS games/series.
I agree with each word of this suggestion.
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To do it I'd need to destar 2 movies with the lowest entertainment rating http://tasvideos.org/Movies-Stars-RatingE.html or something that already has 2 similar runs starred. Feel free to suggest destar candidates. Also, not enough rating for WC2 to maky any decision.
If need destar candidates - i recommend to destar this one: [2746] GB Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3 by McHazard in 19:43.51 (and precursor).
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Posted: 3/17/2015 10:51 PM
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A bit old, but I feel McBobX's [2548] GBA Castlevania: Harmony of Dissonance "Maxim, all bosses" by McBobX in 07:30.75 could use a Star. It's quite entertaining, and really shows off how broken Harmony of Dissonance is.
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