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I'd just like to confirm that my theory on the Robo Spongebob skip was correct and both Robo Patrick and Robo Sandy have spatulas "hidden" as well. Patrick's is directly under the middle of the room, it's impossible to reach without moon jumping around the giant invisible walls to get under the stage. And even if you do collect it, it doesn't end the fight immediately for some reason, instead you fall forever and softlock the game. Sandy's is also in the middle of the room, though its not floating above nothing, so if you get it, you wont fall and softlock. Instead, Sandy's is under the ring you fight her in and there is ground down there. If we can find a way to clip though the floor during that fight then we can end it early. I've put a fair bit of testing into finding a way to clip through the ground without luck so far, I wouldn't be too surprised if someone found a way to use Sandy to get under the stage though. So yeah, let's get testing.
:0 Although I just want to ask why in CoolKirby's confirmation video where he used the moonjump code, he had to go a bit higher than Coel's video.
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In CoolKirby's video he continued to use moon jump after hitting the trigger, since there is a little delay before the cutscene starts, it might look like the trigger is higher up. The delay is more noticeable on Coel's video, I'm guessing that GC has more lag before the cutscene starts than Emulator does.
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Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ignore everything I said. Robo Spongebob has another spatula hidden under the stage, and it doesn't end the fight AND after collecting it, it doesn't show up on your pause screen O_O Edit: here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JHBoiK01io Also this is just that weird glitch, like the one in rock bottom, where the spatula is gray even though you have it. At first I thought this meant there were [at least] 3 extra spatulas hidden in this game, but sadly that's not the case. Since this didn't end the fight, it would seem that more happens than I thought earlier. Here's what we do know: After doing the final hit, you're warped to that trigger above the first platform, then during the cutscene you collect the spatula under the stage. There could be more steps to that for all we know. Also this raises the question of, is it the spatula or the invisible trigger that gives you upgrades? If it's the spatula, then assuming we find a way to reach the spatula in the robo sandy fight we could just collect it and leave since we'd have the spatula and upgrade. If it's the trigger then even if we find a way to the spatula, it would be useless. In either scenario, if there are invisible triggers in Sandy/Patrick's fights, we can skip the fight and get the upgrade. This needs more testing. Edit: Someone please go find a code to either die or get grabbed by the hand. I've been trying forever and I'm terrible at this kind of thing.
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itsPersonnal wrote:
Since this didn't end the fight, it would seem that more happens than I thought earlier. Here's what we do know: After doing the final hit, you're warped to that trigger above the first platform, then during the cutscene you collect the spatula under the stage. There could be more steps to that for all we know. Also this raises the question of, is it the spatula or the invisible trigger that gives you upgrades? If it's the spatula, then assuming we find a way to reach the spatula in the robo sandy fight we could just collect it and leave since we'd have the spatula and upgrade. If it's the trigger then even if we find a way to the spatula, it would be useless. In either scenario, if there are invisible triggers in Sandy/Patrick's fights, we can skip the fight and get the upgrade. This needs more testing.
Now I wonder if there are more triggers, like for the minibosses, or even the last stage inside Robo-Spongebob.
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I wasn't able to find the Spatula inside Robo Spongebob, but who knows, it could be in there somewhere. As for mini bosses, I haven't thought about that yet, that'd be interesting.
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Coel found a thing and I made a route with that thing. No I will not ever be doing this in a run. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2okD7SinqE
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I started this run. Anyone can list me all the very important glitches please?
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got4n wrote:
I started this run. Anyone can list me all the very important glitches please?
see pages 1 to 9
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I could but there is many that I could not remember them to get everything optimised
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Wow, this is truly looking impressive. Also, nice avatar, spikestuff. Thecat doesnt want you to know its been staying up late XD Could you link me to that animation?
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So I recently found a few new shortcuts in this game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icZOQ7geP0U The "No Setup" clips would be used in a TAS. The "Setup" clips would be used in a speedrun.
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Got4n: See this page for most of the known tricks. You really should read through the rest of this thread though; this is where you'll find most of the information you'll need for a run.
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Thanks Kirby, but I won't TAS this game finally :/ So many glitches than I'm pretty sure of forgive glitches. I mean, there is many routes you used it would be hard to use them all :/
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You could team up with someone who's experienced in the game and collaborate on finding the best route for TAS.
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I would but apparently nobody is motivated to TAS, I'll have itsPersonal but he does not seems to be good :/
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got4n wrote:
I'll have itsPersonal but he does not seems to be good :/
itsPersonnal is really good in TASing and route planning, check out his Youtube videos.
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Hey so I did a thing. If Youtube ever finishes processing the video, maybe you can watch it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJQLrvCo7As Edit, it finally finished after like half an hour.
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I know, but the last route was in last speedrun, you did many researches that i'm scared of msising a glitch
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Ok finally decided to do it with help of Cole and itsPersonal. WIP 1 (2 spatulas) Link to video
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Since this didn't end the fight, it would seem that more happens than I thought earlier. Here's what we do know: After doing the final hit, you're warped to that trigger above the first platform, then during the cutscene you collect the spatula under the stage. There could be more steps to that for all we know. Also this raises the question of, is it the spatula or the invisible trigger that gives you upgrades? If it's the spatula, then assuming we find a way to reach the spatula in the robo sandy fight we could just collect it and leave since we'd have the spatula and upgrade. If it's the trigger then even if we find a way to the spatula, it would be useless. In either scenario, if there are invisible triggers in Sandy/Patrick's fights, we can skip the fight and get the upgrade. This needs more testing.
It seems that on my 100% file I posted a while back, the spatula underneath the boss stages are gone. Yet the Spongebot skip posted at the OP still works regardless if the spatula is there or not. :0 Edit: Just posting this here, but by using the disable the hand glitch + moonjump code to go through spongebot's eye's at the final stage ("The small shall rule....or not"), then keep going up, you'll find a copy of the chum bucket somewhere straight on top of the main stage. No gold spatula there, however.
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It's great that you've started on the run, but that WIP is pretty unoptimized. Or is this just a test run?
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Yeah I kinda realized that I was missing a step. the spatula doesn't end the fight in robo spongebob, the trigger does. The spatula down there is just the spatula you get when you beat it for the first time. Since I can't really test things properly, it's hard to say if getting the spatula in the robo sandy fight will help out at all. Also it's very likely that a trigger just like the robo spongebob one IS in all the boss fights that end in a cutscene that gives you a spatula. I wasn't able to find the The small shall rule....or not spatula by the way, I'm not sure what's going on with that... Also I WILL be able to test thing properly if someone makes a code to die wherever I want, so like seriously, someone needs to do that <_<
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itsPersonnal wrote:
Also I WILL be able to test thing properly if someone makes a code to die wherever I want, so like seriously, someone needs to do that <_<
If you set your HP to 0 via RAM watch does that kill you or do you actually have to take damage to die?
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When I was messing around in debug mode, I found an address that seems to be the health one, but if I set it to 0 it goes back to the frame after <_<
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itsPersonnal wrote:
When I was messing around in debug mode, I found an address that seems to be the health one, but if I set it to 0 it goes back to the frame after <_<
You probably found the address for 'Amount of HP to Display'. Of course it will be the same value as 'HP' most of the time, but the game just uses it to display your HP, so changes to it do nothing. Try searching again and testing more values.
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