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Posted: 5/27/2011 8:40 PM

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Shimanyo

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I'm using that version. The error is "96: attempt to index global 'emu' (a nil value)" I tried changing emu to snes9x. It got rid of the error message, but nothing was happening. Maybe the emulator settings are hiding what the script is putting on the screen...

Posted: 5/27/2011 10:15 PM

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Well, it runs fine for me in 1.43 and 1.51. Maybe you should post about this problem on the snes9x section.

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Posted: 5/27/2011 11:54 PM

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Shimanyo

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I'll try that. Thanks for your help. Also, to daylanb, I looked at your posts on Starman.net, and I think that your idea is very interesting. Do you skip the Starman Junior fight at the beginning of the game?

Posted: 5/28/2011 12:32 AM

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I don't know why Daylan hasn't posted here yet but we finished the run on console, credits and everything. I don't skip Starman Jr., I fight him as Paula and Poo! We found out how to get Poo out, only a couple things have to be skipped but after Gigyas we can walk to Ness' house as Paula and watch the credits. The Jeff method can't reach the credits since the Threed zombies are in the way.

Posted: 10/4/2011 10:38 PM

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Pasky13

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Does anyone know the specifics on how enemy spawning worked? Or a site with how it works?

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Posted: 10/29/2011 10:29 AM

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MUGG wrote:

Threed tent cutscene Warp to Twoson Photo cutscene Tunnel ghost...

I took the Threed tent smv and did some testing with it. I saved the game in Threed for testing purposes, and when I arrived at the tent glitch spot, it gave me the debug menu first try! But it's all slow and poor testrun quality. Deathwarping isn't an option as I saved the game in Threed... http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1063116766/earthbound_tas2%20%28NewRoute%29%20-%20Kopie.smv ~ finishes the game in 32 minutes Best thing would be to get the debug menu without having to save the game in Threed, so I could deathwarp right to Ness' house. I do not feel like pouring much more of my time into this, however. The debug menu I got in the smv above was pure luck - I was not successful in the hours of testing after I found it. EDIT: Finally after 1 year of trying, I have a 25 minute run! It's a little unfortunate the route didn't work out in our favor (I had to save the game in Threed, so deathwarping brings us to Threed instead of Ness' house, so I lose about 2 minutes). But an improvement is an improvement, and it can only get better from here. I'm going to polish the run and submit is soon.

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Posted: 12/22/2011 11:40 AM

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I would like to have this dialogue appear, anywhere except in Ness' house. This is the last dialogue of Ness' mother before the credits start. I want to see if the game can be tricked into playing the credits after that dialogue appears.

   C7562F 0x07582F
   @Okay![DELAY 14]  Now you can finally share your incredible experiences with me...[PAUSE][LINE]@You did so well![PAUSE][CLOSEALLWIN][...][END]

http://starmen.net/mother2/gameinfo/script/script.txt These are the only text pointer related addresses I have:

Earthbound (U) pointer1: 7E97B8 pointer2: 7E97B9 window #: 7E8958 Might be of use: http://datacrystal.romhacking.net/wiki/EarthBound:RAM_map

but I can't use them to change people's dialogues. I tried using Game Genie Code EE64-54A1, which makes text scroll endlessly, but I wasn't successful at getting the dialogue above, yet. I appreciate any help!

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Posted: 12/25/2011 4:18 PM

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Darkened Onett Glitch Battle huge level-up @ Lumine Hall(?) - Sadly the game locks up after this Warp to Sea of Eden Mr.Base Ball Cap GET Shop (Dusty Dunes Desert?) Wad of Bills GET Warp to Cave of the Past Warp to Moonside Giygas battle!

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Posted: 4/3/2012 7:34 PM

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Is there a lua script someone has made for this game? I'm curious if there was one made for determining which frame has critical hits, successful escape from battle, what 'prayer' outcome you'll get....etc... has been done.

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Posted: 4/4/2012 12:51 AM

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Yes, this page covers the lua script created by pirohiko. Make sure to edit lines 64/65 according to what version you use (J or U). It's been a long time since I used the script, so I can't even explain how to use it but it's better than nothing - I wasn't able to use it to determine critical hits, unfortunately. Not sure how pirohiko pulls off critical hits and other things when TASing.

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Posted: 7/26/2013 12:04 PM

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Hi, I've been sifting through all the collected info I can about Earthbound TASing. I will say briefly that I am a huge fan of breaking games in a non-physical sense, but I myself have never made a TAS of my own nor do I have any plans to do so. That said, since this game's release on the Wii U's eShop, I have set myself a simple goal of posting a screenshot to the miiverse of being in Magicant at the lowest level possible with Ness. Naturally, this is all done on the Wii U, so no emulator tools - with the exception of a single save state I can use to at least do some modicum of luck manipulation. - With no trickery, and minimal strain (i.e. beating Titanic Ant at level 8 so I have PK Rockin for the fight) I can reach Paula by level 12. Not good enough. - If I really want to strain myself on that single save state (which is also painfully slow to open the menu, reload, close menu, etc.) I could do level 11. Not good enough. - With the skip Twoson trick, I could leave Ness at level 9 (I think?). Thats getting there, but... I want to go deeper. I want to do level 1. I have skipped Starman Jr, so I am free to roam Onett at level 1. I've successfully performed the trick where one uses a skip sandwich to pass through cliffs. In fact, if anyone was interested in knowing - I managed to trigger that debug menu nonsense in Onett's corner on the Wii U version. Of course on that note I don't know what I am doing whatsoever. All I can make it do is give me a fast text dump and then the game hangs for a minute before it gives me back control: https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAABAABnUV52ieiNww I gave up on that under the assumption that I can't do anything meaningful with that without tools. I've looked at as many videos as I could find relating to TASing Earthbound and either I missed something or none of them skips Onett. Either this means it's just faster this way... or more likely, it's not possible. (outside of that debug menu, anyway) So I've come here, asking for any tips that could help me get to Magicant at a low level. Is there any way a skip sandwich could get me through those roadblocks in Onett? Or is the debug menu easier to get to than I think it is?

Posted: 7/31/2013 9:59 AM

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Azure30 wrote:

Hi, I've been sifting through all the collected info I can about Earthbound TASing. I will say briefly that I am a huge fan of breaking games in a non-physical sense, but I myself have never made a TAS of my own nor do I have any plans to do so. That said, since this game's release on the Wii U's eShop, I have set myself a simple goal of posting a screenshot to the miiverse of being in Magicant at the lowest level possible with Ness. Naturally, this is all done on the Wii U, so no emulator tools - with the exception of a single save state I can use to at least do some modicum of luck manipulation. - With no trickery, and minimal strain (i.e. beating Titanic Ant at level 8 so I have PK Rockin for the fight) I can reach Paula by level 12. Not good enough. - If I really want to strain myself on that single save state (which is also painfully slow to open the menu, reload, close menu, etc.) I could do level 11. Not good enough. - With the skip Twoson trick, I could leave Ness at level 9 (I think?). Thats getting there, but... I want to go deeper. I want to do level 1. I have skipped Starman Jr, so I am free to roam Onett at level 1. I've successfully performed the trick where one uses a skip sandwich to pass through cliffs. In fact, if anyone was interested in knowing - I managed to trigger that debug menu nonsense in Onett's corner on the Wii U version. Of course on that note I don't know what I am doing whatsoever. All I can make it do is give me a fast text dump and then the game hangs for a minute before it gives me back control: https://miiverse.nintendo.net/posts/AYMHAAABAABnUV52ieiNww I gave up on that under the assumption that I can't do anything meaningful with that without tools. I've looked at as many videos as I could find relating to TASing Earthbound and either I missed something or none of them skips Onett. Either this means it's just faster this way... or more likely, it's not possible. (outside of that debug menu, anyway) So I've come here, asking for any tips that could help me get to Magicant at a low level. Is there any way a skip sandwich could get me through those roadblocks in Onett? Or is the debug menu easier to get to than I think it is?

Well, I have no idea how the menu works, but I suspect you may have watched this run: http://tasvideos.org/1946M.html Anyway, if you want to know about how to access the menu, you have to talk to Pirohiko or Mugg. They know about it. I do want to say that I think the chances for being able to pull it off are low, the Debugu menu likely requires frame precision, which you don't have in real-time. Still, talk to Pirohiko or Mugg.

Posted: 8/4/2013 11:29 PM

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QuizmasterBos wrote:

Well, I have no idea how the menu works, but I suspect you may have watched this run: http://tasvideos.org/1946M.html Anyway, if you want to know about how to access the menu, you have to talk to Pirohiko or Mugg. They know about it. I do want to say that I think the chances for being able to pull it off are low, the Debugu menu likely requires frame precision, which you don't have in real-time. Still, talk to Pirohiko or Mugg.

Yeah thats what I figured. I appreciate the response though. I managed Magicant at level 9 non-TAS (or rather, single tool-assisted? after all I did have the aid of a single save state... maybe we can simply say 'on the WiiU release') so that will do for now until I can figure out a way to break Onett.

Posted: 10/2/2013 8:55 AM

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Link to video He accomplished it by two controllers and one's hand

Posted: 10/2/2013 5:21 PM

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RTA? Sick Japanese runners never cease to amaze Also, since that RTA was done on Japanese, is there now a reliable way to achieve the ending on the Japanese version? If you still have our WIP done on the Japanese version, maybe we can complete a TAS on that version with little effort.

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Posted: 10/5/2013 4:30 AM

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I make brand-new run in Lsnes.

Posted: 10/5/2013 5:25 AM

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pirohiko wrote:

I make brand-new run in Lsnes.

A new run? :D Is it going to be a new version of the debug run, or an improvement of the debugless version you made?

LLCoolDave wrote:

This seems to be competing for the "Worst looking TAS of 2011" Award.

Posted: 8/3/2017 7:07 PM

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Earthbound runners seem to have stumbled upon a new bug. In Twoson bottom, lltemple walked around gathering enemy spawns. Then I didn't pay attention but apparently he touched the spawns and a battle started and it said "You encounter ." and the game froze. It was said there might be a slim chance of glitching the text pointer and e.g. bring up the debug menu. Maybe it's doable in Onett at night. There was a bunch of people that said they have gotten the debug menu but by using a cheat to make text run infinitely. Not sure if there is a chance of getting it without the cheat, but it seems worth looking into. Video might come later.

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Posted: 8/12/2017 6:15 PM

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lltemple made a clip for me: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/165997214 So yeah, might be worth investigating.

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Posted: 9/6/2017 10:32 AM

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Hello everyone, what would be a good way to grind all the characters in the game? I know several points in the game there characters who under leveled (especially Jeff and Paula) and the enemies tend to target the weaker characters. What should I do? What would be a good way to grind?

Guernsey Adams Pierre

Posted: 9/6/2017 1:46 PM

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Hello everyone, what would be a good way to grind all the characters in the game?

In Dusty Dunes desert there is enemy called Criminal Caterpillar, and in Scaraba there is Master Criminal Worm. Those appear very rarely and I think they will run from you but if you defeat one in battle you get a ton of exp. http://starmen.net/mother2/guides/scarabatrick/

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Posted: 9/7/2017 1:32 AM

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Aren't the Foppies in Master Belch's lair pretty good for a quick boost, too?

Posted: 10/15/2017 11:39 PM

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Guernsey

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Also, which emulator is better for video production of EarthBound?

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Posted: 2/1/2018 4:33 PM

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So, apparently, speedrunners have come up with some crazy new categories thanks to OoB glitches. Here are YouTube videos I've found involving those categories: Link to video This is a run that beats the game without Ness in the party, Game Theory reference notwithstanding. Link to video This is a run that manages to keep Ness in his pajamas throughout the entire game. I'm not sure if TASes of these categories would be publication-worthy, suggestion for a "special goals" tag be damned. EDIT: I forgot to mention that there's also a category where the runner gets all of the photos. Keep in mind that runs in that category also use OoB glitches.

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