Post subject: New Encoding Policy for YouTube (TASVideosChannel)
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When we first started using YouTube here, an ad-hoc system grew up where videos were posted on many different user channels. This makes it more difficult for viewers to find similar content after viewing a TAS, causes diffusion of search engine links, and creates possible risks with former encoders and no way for them to relinquish their control of the videos. The system has ballooned into something that's simply not manageable: http://tasvideos.org/Uploaders-Site-YouTube.html Our staff believes that a centralized YouTube channel is the best way to promote the internet visibility of TASVideos.org and create the best experience for our users. Accordingly, they've been hard at work implementing an official "TASVideosChannel" on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/TASVideosChannel. Because of their efforts, we now have a way for any user of the appropriate rank (encoder, publisher, etc.) to upload to this channel: http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13159. As an added bonus, these uploads can be linked to the publications in such a way that the descriptions on YouTube can be automatically changed if needed, so that links back to TASVideos are always correct and fresh. Now that all the tools are in place, we are ready to change policy regarding YouTube and publications: Beginning with submission 3673S, all new published movies must have an encode on the Official TASVideosChannel. The publisher must provide this encode (either directly or with the help of others). Other streaming links are allowed on publications, but only so far as they provide something different for the viewer. A streaming link on a different website (not YouTube) is good, as it can provide a possibly better viewing experience for users in different locations. A streaming link with an alternate view (input display/camhack encode) can be useful, depending on the movie in question. A second streaming link to the same content also on YouTube is not allowed: Pointless duplication confuses users and diffuses the SEO power of the links that are on the movie page. As an author, you retain control over your publication and may post it wherever you like in whatever form you like. As a user, you are always free to copy and repost TASVideos publications so long as the correct attribution is maintained. However, what we choose to link to on our publication pages is under our control. This policy is not meant to hurt or punish anyone. TASVideos is committed to increasing public knowledge about Tool Assisted methods, and to providing a publicity platform for your work! Unfortunately, TASVideos does not exist to provide hits to your YouTube channel specifically. Everyone's TASes will be more visible under this new arrangement. Questions/Comments?
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I agree with every word of this.
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lol, I guess I won’t have any more publications on here it’d be ridiculous if this channel asks for partnership later on
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ALAKTORN wrote:
lol, I guess I won’t have any more publications on here
It's not like you've had any publications in the first place to begin with. :P
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Mothrayas wrote:
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lol, I guess I won’t have any more publications on here
It's not like you've had any publications in the first place to begin with. :P
SM64DS? but yeah, I get bored easily and TASing isn’t good with that
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SM64DS?
That's uploaded on mkdasher's account, not yours. But yeah, that one will eventually be assimilated by TASVideosChannel, either way. So yeah.
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Mothrayas wrote:
that one will eventually be assimilated by TASVideosChannel, either way. So yeah.
what happens if we don’t give permission to it? will the site’s publication be removed?
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What effect does this have on temp encodes? For a while there I'd toss up a quick temp encode on occasion for people to vote on. Other than that ambiguity (which I think is trivial), I think this is a great move. I agree with it wholeheartedly.
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Canar wrote:
What effect does this have on temp encodes? For a while there I'd toss up a quick temp encode on occasion for people to vote on.
None. This is only about Youtube encodes linked from publication page streaming links.
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what happens if we don’t give permission to it? will the site’s publication be removed?
Once you put it on the site, you already did give permission to it.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Mothrayas wrote:
that one will eventually be assimilated by TASVideosChannel, either way. So yeah.
what happens if we don’t give permission to it? will the site’s publication be removed?
You do realize that this isn't going to be about removing existing encodes from YouTube, right? It's about making certain that all new official encodes linked from the tasvideos.org site go to the same channel, and (eventually) that all publications on tasvideos.org have a corresponding encode on the channel. As natt said in the original post, as the creator of a run, you can toss encodes up wherever you like. They just won't be an official part of the publication here unless they're on the TVC.
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Nach wrote:
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what happens if we don’t give permission to it? will the site’s publication be removed?
Once you put it on the site, you already did give permission to it.
of course I gave permission to it, but I don’t anymore, I don’t have the right to retract permission about how to use my work? @Derakon: I understand perfectly, don’t worry
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ALAKTORN wrote:
Nach wrote:
ALAKTORN wrote:
what happens if we don’t give permission to it? will the site’s publication be removed?
Once you put it on the site, you already did give permission to it.
of course I gave permission to it, but I don’t anymore, I don’t have the right to retract permission about how to use my work?
I take it you haven't actually read the Creative Commons license.
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ignore this post, the problem i had is fixed. thank you ilari and nach.
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Agreed with SP. This is a dumb move.
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[09:27] <sonicpacker> this new "condition" of submitting was not part of the rules when i submitted any of the runs ive been involved with and nowhere did i agree that anyone aside from myself could upload MY content, whether it was submitted here or not.
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Seeing the holywar that rule has blown into on IRC, can we just allow the original author to host his run on his own YT channel if he wants and if it's properly encoded? For guys that earn money from views, that was voiced as a critical matter (like they would stop submitting), and for guys like me it's just pleasant to have your own TAS you care about on your channel (I don't mind having a copy on TVC not linked to from the pub).
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[10:22] <Ilari> sonicpacker: 1) I looked at the YT format list. All ones I could find seem to be HD, so presumably there is no technical reason to replace. 2) The submission numbers are <3673S anyway, so this new YT policy does not affect if those will be replaced or not. [10:22] <sonicpacker> ilari: then i honestly dont care about the rule. i simply didnt want my current video links replaced. if i can be promised that, then i have no issues
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Seeing the holywar that rule has blown into on IRC, can we just allow the original author to host his run on his own YT channel if he wants and if it's properly encoded?
That won't allow integration into the site. If the author wants to allow us (limited) access to his account to automatically update titles and descriptions, that's another matter. The movie description can always link to the author's channel to say "If you liked this movie, here's some more videos by so and so". As for existing videos, we don't replace them, unless there's some kind of need. But to be clear, under the site license that people submit under, we can always reupload encodes anywhere fitting.
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Nach wrote:
If the author wants to allow us access to his account to automatically update titles and descriptions, that's another matter.
how would that work? who is “us”?
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Nach wrote:
If the author wants to allow us access to his account to automatically update titles and descriptions, that's another matter.
how would that work? who is “us”?
Link to video As to what we do, we currently have movie edit pages tied into our YouTube channel to automatically have that channel mirror the movie text and link back to it. Of course authors are encouraged to help keep the movie page text good. Edit: We also have automatic uploading to channels. We could allow for all uploads to be automatically copied to any sites/channels uploads checked off when uploading.
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Canar wrote:
What effect does this have on temp encodes? For a while there I'd toss up a quick temp encode on occasion for people to vote on. Other than that ambiguity (which I think is trivial), I think this is a great move. I agree with it wholeheartedly.
No ambiguity:
As an author, you retain control over your publication and may post it wherever you like in whatever form you like.
You still own your work. This is just changing how we use the license to your work that you grant us. You can still post your wips, finished runs, and whatever else you want on your own page. We just aren't going to necessarily link to it.
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ALAKTORN wrote:
it’d be ridiculous if this channel asks for partnership later on
I agree, but I recall that if all you upload is video game footage, you aren't elligible for partnership. not sure if this is changed or i read it wrong, but whatever.
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Normally i would say Yes, but thennI thought "its not the same hack" so ill stick with meh.