Posted: 4/30/2010 11:06 PM
Post subject: Commander Keen 5: The Armageddon Machine
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sgrunt
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With the glitched any% in the queue, we might want to consider a more complete run (100% completion, possibly?). This is a little shorter than 4 or 6 and not as varied, so it might not be the best idea, but it is an idea nevertheless. Thoughts?
Posted: 5/4/2010 4:54 PM
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Joe
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I'm for it
Posted: 5/4/2010 5:01 PM
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Sure, why not?
Posted: 5/5/2010 4:20 AM
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detonator300
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If by a 100% run you mean all levels will be completed then I'm giving this my thumbs-up. I think it would be quite interesting.
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Posted: 2/21/2012 10:01 PM
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turska
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The glitched any% has been started and memory addresses have been found. Also, being rocked to the bone is more enjoyable than expected. Good times. 100% would seem to be less frustrating to TAS than in Keen 4 since there are no pesky oracles that can cost seconds and be hell to manipulate. There's also more variety between the any% and the 100%. Using the death flag glitch wouldn't seem be too entertaining in a 100% run, so I'm against using it. Also, I'm using different emulator settings than Grunt, so the boot and loading times will be longer. Measuring the actual improvements is simple enough, so this won't be a problem.
Posted: 2/23/2012 9:29 AM
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Xarthok
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I'm all for a no-death-abuse 100% run :)
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Posted: 2/23/2012 1:24 PM
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Radiant
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Xarthok wrote:
I'm all for a no-death-abuse 100% run :)
Me too! The question is how to do the secret level - do you rush for the fuse or take the "real" exit?
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Posted: 2/25/2012 4:20 AM
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turska
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The Shikadi Master is very unpredictable. In this POS (enters nick for the high score screen, ends input at 2:12.096), his malevolence costs about three seconds. As such, the entirety of QED will probably need to be redone. EDIT: It seems that Volte-Faces, Shockshunds and the Shikadi Master all share a common property: not being manipulatable by delaying level entry and firing the Neural Stunner. As such, the three lost seconds are probably here to stay. The last few seconds in the v0 are very unoptimal since it was rushed out to get an estimate of the probable final time. Also, I'll be gone for a while, so don't stay tuned.
Posted: 2/26/2012 3:38 AM
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Radiant wrote:
Xarthok wrote:
I'm all for a no-death-abuse 100% run :)
Me too! The question is how to do the secret level - do you rush for the fuse or take the "real" exit?
I vote "real' exit. If you're going to take the time to visit the secret level legitimately (from the Gravitational Damping Hub) you might as well play through the whole thing proper. Alternate suggestion: Play through the whole "climb both halves of the level" process, but then break the fuse instead of taking the exit door!
Posted: 2/26/2012 6:34 AM
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franpa
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Yes, a 100% run would be nice as well as playing through the secret level properly and breaking the fuse. It would also be nice if the newest version of the game was utilized as well.
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Posted: 2/26/2012 8:06 PM
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turska
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If you don't finish the secret level by breaking the fuse, you won't get the best ending. I'd consider reaching the best ending to be an essential part of 100% completition. Playing the level "normally" and then finishing by breaking the fuse is really hard to justify; I don't find the secret level entertaining enough for that to be an option. Check out the level layout yourself here. EDIT: I'll also address franpa's woes about versions. The published glitched Keen 5 run uses the latest version because the feature/bug that allows warping to the secret level doesn't exist in previous versions. The improvement will also do so. In the case of Keen 4, there aren't really any speedrun-relevant differences to speak of; v1.0 was used because it was the first one I happened to download. For Keen 6: v1.0 has a lot more clipping errors than other versions, so it'll probably be the version of choice. EDIT: THE FINAL EDIT: Found a way to manipulate the Shikadi Master. Sub-2:10 (with longer loading times than the published run and ending input after entering nick for high score screen) is the goal, and it seems possible. Too bad we may have to redo fucking everything.