This topic is for the purpose of discussing #1296: Sir VG's NES Spy Vs Spy in 08:47.38

Yay, first reply! Hmmm, just one question... do items spawn randomly when the level begins, or are they always in the same places? The levels look randomly generated, so it may be possible to manipulate each level to be such that it is more optimal to speed though. But judging from the number of rooms, it may mean quite a lot of iterations etc if a bot is created... not sure if its possible.

Yay, first reply! Hmmm, just one question... do items spawn randomly when the level begins, or are they always in the same places?

They are always in same places.

Looks quite alright to me then, just hate the lag when the game tries to load a new room... as well as that music o.O Would have voted yes if I could

Items always start in the same locations. The only time it seems random is if you drop an item in a room that either has no storage places or all of the storage places have an item. And even then it's very predictable if you study the game a bit. As the only occurance for me is in Level 5, I know when Black drops his item in his starting spot, it has always wound up in the upper left corner of the 2nd floor. Works the same on a console too. And yes, the lag between changing rooms is annoying, but what can ya do?

but what can ya do?

Bad boys bad boys, what you gonna go, what you gonna do when they come for you?! What en they the heei! (never could the rest ^_^) Voting yes since the character looks so incredibly goofy, and his head is made of a carrot.. and the run looks optimized. Im sure Bisqwit will give a much more elaborate feedback. Good job nevertheless on your first TAS!

Nicely done. I hope eventually you can figure out a way to eliminate the time-wasters altogether (dying from the time bomb, laughing at black spy) but the last few levels are really well done. I love how you manipulate the black spy into falling for his own traps a lot. I particularly liked how he put a bucket of acid over the door then opened it moments later, frying himself, so you could run right through his room to the exit. Now, you'd mentioned that while you're climbing a ladder, the laughing animation doesn't play. I wonder if this also happens if you're going through the door at the exact "laugh" moment. Have you experimented with this?

Oh, that was acid? I thought it was coffee. Coffee so hot that it burned the guy's skin off.

Rulewise, this movie is as clean as it gets. Doing all eight stages leaves no point for argument. I also verified, and you never did reset the game before the door opened, so it's clean in that aspect too. Perfectionwise, you have done good job optimizing each stage via several iterations. Entertainmentwise ― this movie does not really offer anything interesting for those who have never seen this game. Those who have, get quickly bored. Only the music is interesting; it is a brainrelaxer in the same way as the Jackie Chan's Kungfu background music is. You can easily jump over minutes of the movie and you won't miss anything. Well, except for the four or so times Black walks into his own trap, which are quite amusing I must admit. As a trip down the memory lane, that purpose would have been accomplished in just the first 20 seconds of this movie. I.e. this movie is way too long. The only thing that deserves merit is the level of perfection that you have done. I cannot say that it is enough to get this movie published on the front page. My vote is "no".

I have no idea what's going on in this movie. I only watched the first three levels. I'm not voting. Fourth sentence.

I voted yes, even though the music isn't very good. It's fun to watch the funny animation of the spies and watch all the rooms that are mostly the same but all painted different colors. It's like a mix of this first-person shooter I used to play and this puzzle adventure game I used to play.

While I understand the point of the game, and I like its music, such a run would only appeal to those who like this type of games (and this game in particular). However, it looks very good qualitywise. I don't know what to vote, to be honest.

I didn't watch more than the first 4 or so levels. It could be perfect, but there aren't very many interesting things happening. I'm not voting since I didn't finish the movie, but this is a good example of a game to avoid.

I'm not voting since I didn't finish the movie

Finishing watching the movie is not a requirement for voting. It is your perception of the movie that matters. I usually make my voting/judging decisions from the first few minutes of the movie, unless I know/have read that more interesting content will come up later in the movie. Usually the first few minutes are enough to tell the quality of the playing, as well as the entertainment value of the game.

Voted meh. Really meh-no. Looks pretty well done, and the game looks fun, but it just doesn't work for a TAS. Good run though.

Seeing Black blow himself up repeatedly (or other silly deaths) was amusing... The lag between rooms really sucked, but it didn't ruin the movie enough to really have an effect. +1 Yes

I have no idea what's going on in this movie. I only watched the first three levels. I'm not voting. Fourth sentence.

The game's actually really simple. You need to collect four items and escape through the airport door. You need the bag to be able to carry more than one item at a time, so you need all five of those. The idea is to outsmart or outgun the other player to ensure that you get all items and escape. Normally this is done by brawling with them, or setting traps for them. In this run, the player almost completely avoids contact. He avoids the black spy or manipulates him into setting off his own traps. For those who didn't watch past the first three or four levels, that's because those parts aren't as entertaining. (Maybe they can be improved?) The last couple of levels are the best.

Voting No. Bisqwit said pretty much everything I have to say about it. The biggest disappointment about the GAME is that the items are not random. If they were you could have shown incredible luck manipulation to move them to the closest possible rooms. Which would also have shrunk the length of this movie dramatically. I am amused by the cpu character walking into his own traps but if you have played this game for any length of time, you will see that it is not uncommon for him to do so.

If they were you could have shown incredible luck manipulation to move them to the closest possible rooms. Which would also have shrunk the length of this movie dramatically.

But luck manipulation is boring! It takes too long to get what you want, and you don't really "see" it in the movie unless it's terribly drastic, in which case it's boring because you win too fast for anything interesting to happen.

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Considering the changes in the site priorities, I would vote 'yes' for this movie now.

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