@Drakodan
RBA can't reach the values to directly write the light arrows into your menu. Otherwise we would do it. ;)
You can BA light arrows to B, but then you need hover boots to get into ganons castle, unlock going back in time by beating the forest temple, etc..
We thought about a route that would do that. It might be faster on the U version. It certainly isn't on J.
Just out of curiosity, how would that route look?
I don't totally remember it anymore.
It involved getting hover boots, doing RBA till a certain point, doing forest temple, using the mushroom to skip the forest medallion cutscene.
And for master quest a slight alteration where you get megaton hammer instead of hover boots.
It basically relied on the light arrow cutscene being slow as hell in the U version.
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We did some further research on the zelda irc and using a trick Acryte came up a while ago, we can get Deku Stick on B without visiting the Fishing Pond.
This is done by riding a horse at Lon Lon Ranch. If you've never equipped a sword before, you are swordless afterwards for some reason.
This should save even more time of Bloob's TAS ;)
We did some further research on the zelda irc and using a trick Acryte came up a while ago, we can get Deku Stick on B without visiting the Fishing Pond.
This is done by riding a horse at Lon Lon Ranch. If you've never equipped a sword before, you are swordless afterwards for some reason.
This should save even more time of Bloob's TAS ;)
I thought about it a little and sadly I don't see this saving more than ~30s.
True you do skip ever going to the fishing pond and lon lon ranch is closer, but there is a limiting factor, which is the cucco egg.
It needs to be hatched before you get back to Kakariko.
Thus you'll have to wait a little in front of Kakaiko with this route.
Now the egg hatched before Bloob made it to Kakariko in his TAS, so there is some time savings. On the other hand you have to talk to Ingo to ride the horses and he has quite a bit of text.
So this might even save less than 30s.
It certainly would be advisable to use the japanese version if this route is used...
Edit: This might actually be slower. Not having a sword will slow you down as a kid quite a bit and going to the shop eats the time not getting the sword saves.
Edit2: Yeah this is slower. From the time the egg hatches bloob needs 16 seconds to Kakariko. Plus 20s in the fishing pond (including scene transition time) that is 36s.
Time doesn't move in the Lon Lon ranch so every second in there counts against hatch time. Accordingly you would have to stay under these 36s for it to be faster. But Ingo has a lot of not skipable text and you have to play the riding game one and a half times. No way that can be done in under 36 seconds.
:(
I actually do have an idea how to fix this. But it's really out there.
1. Get well chus as a child. (take the shield in botw) You are in Kakariko anyway. This takes ~2:30
2. Get bottle (collect the rest of the cuccos). On the way out collect bugs.
3. Go to Gerudo Fortress, get odd mushroom.
4. Save warp, then do swordless dot skip
5. As you have cojiro you can now go directly to lon lon, get bottle B and RBA it. Getting pocket egg and pocket cucco is skipped.
This sounds like it would be a lot slower, but it might actually work. Not totally sure, tbh.
The chus should speed you up in quite a few places, so that is also to be considered...
Things to consider here:
From exiting castle town to getting cojiro bloob takes about 6 minutes.
The well takes about 2:30.
About all the rest I'm very uncertain.
I thought about it a little and sadly I don't see this saving more than ~30s.
True you do skip ever going to the fishing pond and lon lon ranch is closer, but there is a limiting factor, which is the cucco egg.
It needs to be hatched before you get back to Kakariko.
Thus you'll have to wait a little in front of Kakaiko with this route.
Now the egg hatched before Bloob made it to Kakariko in his TAS, so there is some time savings. On the other hand you have to talk to Ingo to ride the horses and he has quite a bit of text.
So this might even save less than 30s.
It certainly would be advisable to use the japanese version if this route is used...
Edit: This might actually be slower. Not having a sword will slow you down as a kid quite a bit and going to the shop eats the time not getting the sword saves.
Edit2: Yeah this is slower. From the time the egg hatches bloob needs 16 seconds to Kakariko. Plus 20s in the fishing pond (including scene transition time) that is 36s.
Time doesn't move in the Lon Lon ranch so every second in there counts against hatch time. Accordingly you would have to stay under these 36s for it to be faster. But Ingo has a lot of not skipable text and you have to play the riding game one and a half times. No way that can be done in under 36 seconds.
:(
Slowking, there's a way to fix that. BrianMp16 told me, that going to ganon's castle and watching the intro cutscene of the surrounding area sets the ingame timer to 0:00:00. from there it is just 45 seconds until the egg hatches. I haven't tested this yet, but it should work.
This probably isn't going to save too much time, though.
Getting the sword takes 1:01. Getting a deku stick takes around 37 seconds. There's one problem, though. If we can't make Navi appear early enough in Lost Woods, we'll need another deku stick to execute the Navi-less Forest Escape.
This would requir another 10 rupees, which would probably be obtained by throwing 3 rocks of that stone circle. There might be a better way to get those 10 rupees, though.
The time saved in Zora's River using the sword shouldn't be that much, maybe 4 seconds. On the way from the Zora's River entrance to Kakariko we have to do a Water Jumpslash slide in order to skip the owl or else we lose too much time there. This probably forces us to get a 2nd Deku Stick.
From Kakariko to the Market the Sword can save another bit off time, but due to not having a Deku Stick you'd have to do a different way to skip the owl and in the end the time saved by doing the Water Slide there is probably only around 4 seconds compared to the new swordless route.
So 24 seconds saves buying one Deku Stick over obtaining the Kokiri Sword.
As we probably have to get another Deku Stick we lose something like 10 seconds there. Another 5 are lost in Zora's River and 4 on the way to the Market.
Alltogether skipping the sword should be quicker just be a few seconds. It all depends on how fast the new Deku Stick B route for Adult Link is. A lot of testing has to be made. Due to Ingo talking a lot, this might only be quicker on the japanese version.
Slowking wrote:
I actually do have an idea how to fix this. But it's really out there.
1. Get well chus as a child. (take the shield in botw) You are in Kakariko anyway. This takes ~2:30
2. Get bottle (collect the rest of the cuccos). On the way out collect bugs.
3. Go to Gerudo Fortress, get odd mushroom.
4. Save warp, then do swordless dot skip
5. As you have cojiro you can now go directly to lon lon, get bottle B and RBA it. Getting pocket egg and pocket cucco is skipped.
This sounds like it would be a lot slower, but it might actually work. Not totally sure, tbh.
The chus should speed you up in quite a few places, so that is also to be considered...
Things to consider here:
From exiting castle town to getting cojiro bloob takes about 6 minutes.
The well takes about 2:30.
About all the rest I'm very uncertain.
There's probably no chance for this to be quicker, although bloob takes 6:40 minutes and not 6 minutes. the thing is, after lon lon ranch you are close to the lost woods, so leaving kakariko after cojiro has to be considered as well. No idea, where we would get bombs, though.
Other than that getting stick on B probabky takes another 2:30 and I doubt going to the Odd Mushroom chest and back to the market takes only 2:40. This might work, if we combine it with the Light Arrow B route, though.
What were the problems about the Light Arrow B route again? We can open the DoT using the Song of Time (Odd Potion RBA) and Hover Boots can be obtained after getting bombchus. maybe we should have a look at that route again.
@Kuwaga
Your joke was fine, why did you delete it? :(
Main problem with light arrow B is still that the forest temple takes forever to clear. Odd mushroom takes too long to tick down to be usable in skipping the cutscene...
Also if we don't have the hammer, and we won't, we have to watch the prelude of light cutscene.
Btw. you do always need a buttload of sticks.
1. aqua escape
2. slide to kakariko
3. slide to market
Pretty sure without the two last slides you can't make it before dusk to the market.
Edit: Hmm I actually did just get an idea how we could get that whole light arrow B thing to work. Probably not for the new route, but for the old one. Meet me in the chat. ;)
Doesn't pay off. For it to be faster you would still need Stick on B. So use VC version in Dolphin or nothing.
For a Master Quest any% the hammer would be an option.
In other news:
Sadly other than in the 3DS version the B button doesn't grey out when you are hanging from a ledge.
So current adault route looks like this:
- get to Kakariko, collect pocket egg
- get to Lon Lon and ride once
- save and quit
- go to ganons castle area to set the clock to night (I tested it, it works. I'm not really sure if it is really midnight or the beginning of the night, though. It still takes forever to become morning)
- go back to Lon Lon and play the game again, this time no need to ride though. Just quit it
- Now you have stick on B. Let that RBA begin. (but no savewarping from now on or B will become empty again.)
Alternate route:
- get to Lon Lon and ride once
- get to Kakariko, your B button will gray out on the way.
- get pocket egg
- die from something but don't quit, probably best from cuccos in Kakariko
- go back to Lon Lon, play the game again, but quit before riding
- Now you have stick on B
- save & quit
- go to Ganons castle to advance time to night.
I'm too tired to figure out which one of these routes would be faster. And if they even are faster than the old one for that matter.
this fucking egg destroyes everything <_<
That trick to manipulate the ingame timer using Ganon's Castle doesn't fix our problem, you can only ride at daytime. so we'd have to visit the ranch twice before we can go to ganon's castle to set the ingame timer to 0:00:00. from there it still takes like a minute for it to become daytime.
Neither has Light Arrow B any chance to be quicker at the moment. Hookshot (Beat Phantom Ganon) and Hover Boots (Get to Ganon's Castle) are still requiered, without Deku Stick on B (Mupen freezes) we have to open Door of Time and watch the Prelude of Light cutscene. This takes all way too much time.
My last hope is getting Odd Mushroom as child, and turning it into cojiro again.
This would cut off 6:40 of Bloob's TAS, but the question remains: Can all that other stuff really be done in 6:40?
- Getting Bombchus from the well(requiered to reach the Mushroom chest) takes 2:50. We'd also get Deku shield and Hylian Shield from 2 chests in the well. This would skip collecting some rupees and buying the Hylian Shield, so alltogether, getting bombchu costs only 2:20.
- Getting the Odd Mushroom takes around 2:05. No idea how long it takes to travel back to the market, maybe 1:10. We should try to come up with a faster way for that.
This leaves us with 1:05 to get Bottle on B. To be honest, due to having to visit the ranch twice, getting the bottle with the new takes way longer than that. I might be able to do it in 2 minutes, but then we'd still have to find a 1 minute timesaver somewhere, which seems pretty unlikely.
For now Bloob's adult route should still be quicker. Skipping the sword might save a few seconds in the child section, but really only a few ;)
Let's just hope we can come up with some magical new trick that solves all our problems. Especially the Light Arrow B route needs such a magical discovery.
That trick to manipulate the ingame timer using Ganon's Castle doesn't fix our problem, you can only ride at daytime. so we'd have to visit the ranch twice before we can go to ganon's castle to set the ingame timer to 0:00:00. from there it still takes like a minute for it to become daytime.
Only possibility is to set the timer to midnight between the two ranch visits (you have to do two anyway), then wait in front of the ranch for it to become day time.
Sound slower than old route, though...
My last hope is getting Odd Mushroom as child, and turning it into cojiro again.
This would cut off 6:40 of Bloob's TAS, but the question remains: Can all that other stuff really be done in 6:40?
- Getting Bombchus from the well(requiered to reach the Mushroom chest) takes 2:50. We'd also get Deku shield and Hylian Shield from 2 chests in the well. This would skip collecting some rupees and buying the Hylian Shield, so alltogether, getting bombchu costs only 2:20.
- Getting the Odd Mushroom takes around 2:05. No idea how long it takes to travel back to the market, maybe 1:10. We should try to come up with a faster way for that.
This leaves us with 1:05 to get Bottle on B. To be honest, due to having to visit the ranch twice, getting the bottle with the new takes way longer than that. I might be able to do it in 2 minutes, but then we'd still have to find a 1 minute timesaver somewhere, which seems pretty unlikely.
So my idea is your last hope, hä? :D
Hylian shield is also down there? Did not know that.
Yeah that you have to visit the ranch twice blows. Would be nice if the B button would just grey out form hanging from a ledge, like it does on 3DS.
Especially the Light Arrow B route needs such a magical discovery.
It really doesn't. It just needs working stick on B. ;)
Well at least to be faster than the current route on U. It's hard to tell on J.
Slowi: Don't forget that the Forest Temple still is going to require Hookshot (a huge detour), plus the 3 minutes for the Odd Mush, plus at least a minute to skip minuet and then backtrack back to trade, plus time to get bombchus, plus time to get hover boots, plus time to actually BA, plus time spent taking longer to kill enemies in Ganon's Tower without sword, etc.
Hover booting to G Castle may take about as long as the bridge cutscene (or be a bit shorter) and skipping the Light Arrow cutscene is really nice, but I'm still skeptical even a working stick on B would make LA B faster.
Why would it require hookshot? You can hover up and Grunz says you can kill phantom ganon with bombs. (phase one, phase two would be with isg or pcs deku stick.
In the 3 minutes for odd mush you get the hover boots and do forest temple.
And no bombchus are required. You can use bombs. RBA is far enough at that point.
Don't light arrows do 4 damage in OoT, too? If so enemies should die quickly. If not, well there is always a way. :D
Biggest problem I see is that you would need to buy a stick two times. Once for forest and shadow and once for prelude cs skip, as you need to do RBA between the two.
Btw. there is also a possible MQ route with getting the hammer. If somebody searches for a never before done TAS. :D
Phantom Ganon can only be killed with the Hookshot. This was just a theory we had back then and never tested it. It doesn't work.
Hookshot is unskipable. And about Megaton Hammer: All it can do is skip the Hover Boots. It can't be used in ToT, so it doesn't even allow you to skip the Prelude of Light cutscene (which would require Hover Boots any way). Megaton Hammer is actually slower than getting Hover Boots, so what's the point?
Ringrush is right, Light Arrow B is definitely not quicker. The Odd Mushroom cutscene skip adds some huge detours and skipping the Minuet also takes a while due to it causing some problems like turning Odd Mushroom to Cojiro again or giving you stick on the B button again.
Phantom Ganon can only be killed with the Hookshot. This was just a theory we had back then and never tested it. It doesn't work.
Ähm no. I was like "are you really sure you can kill phantom Ganon with bombs?" and you were like "yeah I'm absolutely sure".
Next time test your crap better. :p
Synx wrote:
So this does at least means that any WIP from bloob would have to be remade from the beginning. Assuming it can't be hex-edited
Didn't you see the "might" in there?
Translation: It doesn't. Sword speeds up going down zoras river and a few other things too much.
That doesn't mean that bloobs run can't be dramatically improved and aqua escape is definatly faster than the bridge clip he used. But no sword as child doesn't help.
And I don't know if anybody is actually willing to do it.
Edit:
Another thought Grunz.
If we had chus from getting odd mush as child, we could steal Epona. And you know what they say "you can lead a horse to water..." :D
Not sure if it works with epona, but I think it should...
Edit: you do become swordless by stealing epona, but it doesn't help much. You would still have to play the game afterwards to get stick on B. And you can't since the game isn't there anymore after you have stolen her.
So unless there is another place where you can turn swordless into sticky B, that is preferably on the way, this does not help.
