This topic is for the purpose of discussing #1678: zggzdydp's GBA Castlevania: Circle of the Moon "100% map completion" in 46:58.05

Voted meh, it starts off very interesting but takes too long. Seeing more bosses was nice but since bosses in this game are just bone targets they didn't make the run much more interesting either. Not sure a run with this goal can be made interesting over the whole length. The planning was impressive but it wasn't that much fun to watch it play out. I think the other two GBA Cvs are better suited for 100% runs since HoD has loads of bosses that get skipped as well as much faster movement and AoS has that soul collecting deal.

I found this impressive and interesting. Yes vote.

Yes vote, very nice route planning and movements.

100% runs will always have a minute of stupid backtracking, but I really enjoyed this one. Technical execution was up to par with other TASes for the game, and the original route kept it more entertaining for me than the umpteenth minimal run. Plus I like glitches, and I didn't know the one that totally destroyed the waterway. I also liked: - doing clock tower in reverse order. - hitting random enemies out of thin air to get mana ups. - devastating the arena. - opening secret passages just to enter them half an hour later. - throwing small bones at the invincible Hugh. - sudden death showdown, and dodging the meteors as skeleton. Contrary to KDR_11k I think bosses are only a nuisance in this game, and the real fun is the game between them, so... Voting yes.

Hard for me to predict the future of this run. On one hand, it was moderately entertaining (at least the first 30-35 minutes or so), showed unexpected glitches, clever route planning and generally fast pace. On the other, it was rather long, had rather tedious to watch backtracking, and the fact that 100% map coverage idea wasn't too fascinating to begin with didn't help, either. You just go through a room without any aim in mind except to go through a room, I don't find the concept entertaining (especially since most of the rooms weren't run through in some extraordinary fashion). As a fan of Castlevania series and castletroids in general, I was entertained by this run, so I give it a yes vote. But I won't expect anyone who isn't fond of them to enjoy this run, to be honest, so I'm not sure if publishing it would be a great idea. Also, zggzdydp, how about improving the short CotM run? It has something like 5-10 seconds of improvement, and no-one's working on it yet. :)

This run should be published based entirely on the soundtrack alone. No, really! As expected from a 100% run, there is backtracking, but I was still entertained and some really nice glitches were shown, and it seemed to be pretty much optimized as good as can be. Yes.

This run was executed quite well, it's interesting to see you apply those glitches for weird effects and I actually enjoyed watching it. The route planning was good, opening passages a minute early was fun. Anyway, I'd like to complain about the goals of this run. Visiting 100% of the rooms is an invisible goal - you don't see the results. Is there a ram location that counts the visited rooms? Maybe subtitling this with a room counter makes it easier to appreciate. But right now it just looks weird to enter a secret passage, walk up to the item, then turn around right before grabbing it. I usually associate "100%" with "I'm going to see all of this game." Glitching through walls and skipping the arena falls short of those expectations. After the final boss was slain, I somehow felt that something was still missing. If you're aiming for additional goals, it feels somewhat cheap to accomplish them this way - like doing a metroid 100% run by glitching the items instead of actually collecting them. I'd prefer a 100%, all-card, all-upgrades run without the summon-glitch to this anytime. torn between yes and meh. I'm usually a big fan of 100% runs (even the 5 hour ones), maybe I just had the wrong expectations. Will sleep on it before I vote.

You can see the percentage in the character menu when zggz goes to switch cards. For me, I really like the run, and will vote yes. Still, I think it would have been better if perhaps it was just an 'all boss' run instead of a 100% exploration run. But man, that insane new glitch... Really a 'wtf' moment, I think that if this is published the screen shot should be of when you're obviously using that glitch.

But man, that insane new glitch... Really a 'wtf' moment, I think that if this is published the screen shot should be of when you're obviously using that glitch.

You mean in the waterway?

Yeah, sorry, I wasn't sure what the area was called for some reason. And by new glitch I mean that it's new to me, I don't know how long others have known about it.

Very good movie. I really enjoyed the battle arena.

Covering 100% of the map is kind of an odd goal for a TAS. I wouldn't expect it to be enjoyable, but I did like this. Good job!

First 53%... Wee this is interesting! Then *Holds spacebar* Ooh fight with death!* *Spacebar* *Ohh Glitch* *Spacebar* I enjoyed watching it however, it is very well done. It is just a bit dull for non-Castlevania fans. That said.. I have to find out how the skeleton works...

Visiting 100% of the rooms is an invisible goal - you don't see the results. Is there a ram location that counts the visited rooms?

It's not invisible. Look at the menu screens. As a bonus, he even gave us one at Dracula showing the 100% completion rate. For your benefit, I'll even give you a screen from the run. Overall, the run was good. It was definitely well played, however entertaining wise...it's a meh.

As much as I don't enjoy the GBA series as much as the classic NES series, I have to say I was very entertained by this. Showed off everything that I would want to see, not too long either for 100% map coverage. Not much else to say besides I vote yes on this.

yes, the result is visible (for a short amount of time), but the process isn't. In Metroid/Megaman you can see when items are picked up, in SMB/SMW you can see each stage that is played, in quake you'll hear a beep when a secret area is entered or a scream when a monster dies - you'll get immediate feedback when your percentage goes up. Here you'll get a short menu screen that says "100%" just once at the end, if you know where to look and don't blink at the wrong moment.

As I've said before, this run had obvious mistakes to me in it and could be improved. However only a few of the most experienced COTM players or crazy glitch diggers will find them out and most of peolpe might never notice them. So just leave them there. Yes vote.

I found it entertaining. yes vote.

to moozooh: I think Cardboard's non-glitch run is very nice, I don't know how to improve. :( to klmz: Do you mean using floating glitch? But I don't konw it. I will improve if I can use it. Or someone does it who knows the glitch.

to moozooh: I think Cardboard's non-glitch run is very nice, I don't know how to improve. :(

I mean the short run by OgreSlayeR that uses summon glitch to warp to Dracula in the very beginning of the game.

The Floating Glitch is as crazy as the Hyper Freeze Glitch. Their mechanism are very similiar. But what I talked about earlier was that you had done something unnecessary. eg. you could have found a faster way of glitch warping if you had tried to sumon on the edges in Chapel Tower.

I was impressed by the planning given, but overall I wasn't entertained. The first thought I had when I read "100%" was that you'd be collecting all of the cards without glitches. I just don't think map completion is an obvious goal to strive for on this game. I'm voting no.

Man, I would so like to see a run that doesn't use the DSS glitch. That takes out an immediate warp to Dracula, and means the TASer can manipulate card drops, which I know from playing take forever. Also boss fights will be more interesting because it won't be just using skeleton all the time.