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Bag of Magic Food wrote:
You're right, I need to start complaining about all those pages with "TODO" and the ugly 3D Meggerhelmet on them. That's just not professional, you guys!
What's sad is that I look at the movie news page and I see 3 of the random images that popped up are the generic ones and all in a row.
fruitbane wrote:
Well, I'll give a shout out to Nach. Thanks.
And thanks to everyone else who takes the time to encode.
You're Welcome.
fruitbane wrote:
Now if we can get a seeder, even one, on THIS particular torrent, the rest of us can finish the job!
Have you read the last two pages at all?
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Well, I see that you are supposedly seeding, Nach, but I thought I'd worked all the bugs out of this firewall...
I can see 246 peers OK but nary a seeder, and I'm not taking any new data.
Time to muck with the firewall again. *kick*
Nach, you being such a noble man doesn't help the [seemingly] poor coordination between the "acceptance —> publishing" process, accepted runs cluttering the queue and a couple of weeks (and even months) old movies being published later than the ones made a day ago.
However, you are not the only encoder, and not the only publisher on the site, but if you like to think and respond to such threads as if that it's only your activity that is in the issue, then maybe you should similarly think for everybody and come up with a solution that would please the dissatisfied? ;)
On the encoding issue, I am willing to learn the mencoder basics and encode the movies for the site if anyone would publish them. Finding the required games isn't an issue for me.
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
Good thing I made the other thread, since it was quoted, and then responded to here.
Good thing I made it clear that it wasn't Nach I was attacking, it was the "encoding and publishing issues", as that thread was titled, since Nach thinks it "isn't true".
Good thing I made it clear this had nothing to do with your download speed, since you still say that's what I'm complaining about.
The world isn't out to get you, Nach. And if this has really irritated you so much, don't feel obligated to encode my movies anymore. THIS DOESN'T MEAN I'M REQUESTING THAT YOU DON'T. It means that if it's really such a hastle, I don't want you to feel obligated by me. I could give a flying fuck if my runs were turned into AVIs or not.
Also, respond to this in the appropriate thread and stop fucking this one up.
<Swordless> Go hug a tree, you vegetarian (I bet you really are one)
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Okay, I split the thread to give us some sanity.
moozooh wrote:
Nach, you being such a noble man doesn't help the [seemingly] poor coordination between the "acceptance —> publishing" process, accepted runs cluttering the queue and a couple of weeks (and even months) old movies being published later than the ones made a day ago.
As I said, a lot of it boils down to whether the publisher has the ROM or not.
moozooh wrote:
However, you are not the only encoder, and not the only publisher on the site, but if you like to think and respond to such threads as if that it's only your activity that is in the issue, then maybe you should similarly think for everybody and come up with a solution that would please the dissatisfied? ;)
Yes I do have a problem of applying blame on others to myself, sometimes I seemingly seek it out, yes I am seeing a doctor regarding this. However this not being the first time that some there are publishing issues posted in accordance with people complaining about my upload.
moozooh wrote:
On the encoding issue, I am willing to learn the mencoder basics and encode the movies for the site if anyone would publish them. Finding the required games isn't an issue for me.
Well prior to that, do you know how to use a command line?
JXQ wrote:
Good thing I made the other thread, since it was quoted, and then responded to here.
Yes this is the Anti-Nach thread, and I felt such Anti-Nachiness should be posted here instead of there as mentioned above.
JXQ wrote:
Good thing I made it clear that it wasn't Nach I was attacking, it was the "encoding and publishing issues", as that thread was titled, since Nach thinks it "isn't true".
I am listed in that thread, and the Maza Vs. Nach HoD AVI non issue is listed there, so what am I to expect? Although I thought we resolved this some posts earlier.
JXQ wrote:
Good thing I made it clear this had nothing to do with your download speed, since you still say that's what I'm complaining about.
No, that's what other people are complaining about.
JXQ wrote:
The world isn't out to get you, Nach.
Um it is. No matter how paranoid you are, you aren't paranoid enough. And even if you are very paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
JXQ wrote:
And if this has really irritated you so much, don't feel obligated to encode my movies anymore. THIS DOESN'T MEAN I'M REQUESTING THAT YOU DON'T. It means that if it's really such a hastle, I don't want you to feel obligated by me. I could give a flying fuck if my runs were turned into AVIs or not.
I would hate to lose the honor of encoding one of your runs, nor would I shirk my responsibility of one of the site maintainers like that. You aren't irritating me. The no seeds/slow upload/publishing issues always posted when I encode and release an AVI is what is irritating me. If you didn't intend to bring this up in accordance with this, it should have been posted earlier. Regardless, I am also an encoder/judge/operator/moderator/publisher/editor of this site so anything negative said about any of those groups applies to me. Regarding encoding, I've decided to only take on a small segment (DMG, AGB), and would like to think I'm doing my job reasonably well.
And also, JXQ, why aren't you in IRC lately?
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What are you serious? Why? Channel has been dull lately with out you.
I haven't seen anyone lately joking about TAS'ing their driver's ed test.
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As I said, a lot of it boils down to whether the publisher has the ROM or not.
Actually, this one really seems like a non-issue, especially in the case with pre-N64 era consoles. I'm not sure if it's ok to discuss such things here, but doesn't every publisher have a trusted way of getting the games, like many of us have? I would think they should, hence they're the ones who convert the movies to AVI (thus, they have to have the appropriate ROMs).
Nach wrote:
Well prior to that, do you know how to use a command line?
Sure, pretty much. I am also moderately familiar with state-of-the-art audio encoders (audio data compression was my hobby since 2003), and somewhat familiar with several video encoders, their quirks and abilities, and the common options. The only thing I haven't learned yet is MEncoder itself and its specific commands and syntax.
One thing that may be an issue here is that I don't have much HDD space left for [quasi-]lossless captures, but I'll manage to find a workaround if that comes in my way. It's just that many runners await their runs encoded, I know I could help, and my PC stands idly every night while it could be utilized to encode them.
Nach wrote:
Um it is. No matter how paranoid you are, you aren't paranoid enough. And even if you are very paranoid, it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
:D
Warp wrote:
Edit: I think I understand now: It's my avatar, isn't it? It makes me look angry.
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moozooh:
Okay, some MEncoder 101 then.
mencoder -oac copy -ovc copy -mc 0 input.avi -o output.avi
This copies the video input.avi into output.avi, -oac is output audio codec and -ovc is output video codec. -mc 0 says audio and video should stay synced.
Instead of -oac copy, you can use -nosound and get no sound.
For the output file, first pass video encoding shouldn't use sound, and output should be sent straight to null. "-o nul" on DOS/Windows, "-o /dev/null" on everything else.
To compress with xvid, change the ovc to xvid, and add a new option -xvidencopts with appropriate parameters. "-ovc xvid -xvidencopts fixed_quant=2" Will use xvid with almost lossless quality. For 2 pass, and example: "-ovc xvid -xvidencopts pass=1:bitrate=350" second pass would be the same but pass=2.
To compress with x264, change ovc to x264 and set -x264encopts. "-ovc x264 -x264encopts qp=0" will compress at a practically loseless setting. For two pass: "-ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=1:bitrate=200" and for 2nd pass set pass=2.
For compressing audio with MP3 change the oac to mp3lame. Then pass appropriate settings to -lameopts. Example: "-oac mp3lame -lameopts aq=0:preset=96:mode=1". That's audio quality at 0 (the highest) bitrate at 96, with joint stereo.
To rip from a DVD, specify "dvd://" as input, also note that order of options generally doesn't matter.
Here's an example of something I tried:
mencoder dvd:// -alang English -nosound -ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=1 -vf crop=720:352:0:62 -o /dev/null
mencoder dvd:// -oac mp3lame -lameopts aq=0:preset=96:mode=1 -af volume=5:sc -ovc x264 -x264encopts pass=3:bitrate=640 -vf crop=720:352:0:62 -o "/home/nach/rip/movie.avi"
-alang is used to select the language from multilingual DVDs. -vf is for video filters, I used crop to get rid of black bars. If you use "-vf cropdetect" mencoder can find the black bars for you and tell you what to pass crop. -af is for video filters, volume allows you to raise the volume by 1-15, sc is to scale the audio.
Now that you got all that info go off and play, shouldn't be hard.
For more help:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/en/MPlayer.html#encoding-guide
Although you may prefer Russian:
http://www.mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML-single/ru/MPlayer.html
Spend some time on this, and after you played around a bit with reencoding some vids, or ripping some DVDs, get back to use and we can focus on more video game oriented ripping.
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I just want to make clear that I didn't raise this issue to attack anyone, I just didn't understand why this one movie seems to be downloading so much slower than the other TASVideos. Since I see that I am not alone in this predicament, at least I know it's not something I can simply correct by trying to change my firewall settings. Therefore I am relieved.
PUUH.
What a reading this thread was.
Random pieces of replies here.
* I fully support Nach's work and decisions.
* I fully support Maza's work too.
* It might not be clear to everyone, but publication decisions are not the question of "who", but "what". We have strict quality standards, and in the face of those standards, it is not uncommon for an encoding to be rejected by a publisher, and vetoed by another encoding (whether it be a different or the same encoder). The names of persons are not at stake here; the AVI files are. That different persons have different levels of experience and those persons have names, does not make it a names issue. It is a quality issue.
* Pre-uploading to someone before starting the bittorrent upload is not* faster than starting the bittorrent upload right-away, when superseeding is used. In both cases, the whole file must still be once uploaded in its entirety through the slow link. Truncated explained this also very well.
Re: feitclub's and fruitbane's problem, probably something wrong at client-side.
* Re: Megaman movies getting all the attention from publishers: Would you like us delaying them instead. Have you seen any Megaman submissions turbo-published lately? Where were complaints about SMW?
<JXQ> I don't like #nesvideos.
That's sad to hear. Can you elaborate? I'd like to see you more there.
<JXQ> However, the chances of that happening are slim when the page explaining how to encode things comes across like a condescending jackass (“spoon-fed instructions”).
Whoa, now the encoding instructions are TOO EASY? :o This is a first.
Because for a long time, the problem has been that encoding movies has required the basic ability of searching and applying information; understanding a thing and two about codecs. There's no "windows program that just does it and that's all". This has fended off a lot of people who are afraid of studying and learning stuff, starting from using the commandline.
But I guess nothing can be perfect, and people have bad days too.
*) Significantly.
Bisqwit,
Just want to respond to this one.
Bisqwit wrote:
* Re: Megaman movies getting all the attention from publishers: Would you like us delaying them instead. Have you seen any Megaman submissions turbo-published lately? Where were complaints about SMW?
I don't know what your definition of turbo-published is, but yes probably every megaman movie submitted in the time I've been to this site has been turbo-published by my standards (no need to bring up any exceptions). Not that I think it's a huge deal, because I don't. I do think it's unfortunate that we have runs which have been accepted for over 6 months still in the queue though.
As for SMW, I think the main reason megaman was used as an example of popular games getting preferential treatment is we see a lot more megaman submissions than SMW submissions, so favoritism in the case of megaman games is more easily noticed.
<JXQ> However, the chances of that happening are slim when the page explaining how to encode things comes across like a condescending jackass (“spoon-fed instructions”).
Whoa, now the encoding instructions are TOO EASY? :o This is a first.
This wasn't what I meant to imply. To me, they seem like they are written from the perspective that everyone should know a lot more about encoding than the average site user does. To those who don't know this information, it has the impression of "well, you should already know this".
For example, there is a section detailing how the subtitled should appear on the AVI, but not a word on a possible method to insert these subtitles into an AVI.
<Swordless> Go hug a tree, you vegetarian (I bet you really are one)
For example, there is a section detailing how the subtitled should appear on the AVI, but not a word on a possible method to insert these subtitles into an AVI.
Oh. Well, that's because.
-- Instructions on subtitle insertion are perhaps missing. I don't know which page you referred to so I can't tell for sure.
-- Regarding the tone, it's intentional to some degree; I wish that the encoders have the type of mind in them to search for best possible tools and settings to achieve the end result. And to learn to use them optimally, without relying on a single source of information. Phil has it. I have it. Dehacked has it. Nach has it. The other encoders have it less, but as experience grows, they're getting there. Maza is getting there. Highness is getting there.
<JXQ> I don't like #nesvideos.
That's sad to hear. Can you elaborate? I'd like to see you more there.
Who wouldn't? Not only does it make more things more lively, but it also lets me random ask questions such as: "Are you going to make another commentary?", and "When is there going to be another commentary?". Those type of questions just aren't the same on the forum.
Edit: Actually, maybe that is the exact reason why you don't come to IRC. The amount I post on the forums is quite low, and thus you avoid the random naggings.
