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I am seeding it, if your client is telling you no seeds, there's something wrong with it or your firewall settings.
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In cases where the original uploader has a fairly low upload speed, isn't it a good idea to first send the avi to someone with good upload speed before seeding to everyone else?
it's theoretically faster to just seed it via bittorrent than to send it someone else before publishing. That'll only work if everyone plays nice and uploads their pieces to the others, though.
it's theoretically faster to just seed it via bittorrent than to send it someone else before publishing. That'll only work if everyone plays nice and uploads their pieces to the others, though.
I'm guessing that if Nach had sent this to one person with very good upload before starting seeding the torrent, it would be finished by now instead of being at 66%. Is this wrong?
>I'm guessing that if Nach had sent this to one person with very good upload before starting seeding the torrent, it would be finished by now instead of being at 66%. Is this wrong?
Yes, most likely wrong. As long as he doesn't resend the same part into the swarm several times (which he shouldn't), he uploads 118 MB to them just as fast as to a single person.
What it would solve though, is that people probably wouldn't be complaining, since the time to download the whole movie would be shorter, even though the end time when you have the whole movie is the same. (Awkward sentence. Hope I got through.)
EDIT: clarified double meaning in first sentence
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I dont get it, I thought Maza already had encoded this run? Was his version rejected due to poor picture quality or something? Yes, Im 100% aware that Im complaining (you know I totally respect and like you Nach) but I expect to get much better speed when some publisher uploads a run. Getting 1kb/s is in my opinion, very wrong.
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I dont get it, I thought Maza already had encoded this run? Was his version rejected due to poor picture quality or something? Yes, Im 100% aware that Im complaining (you know I totally respect and like you Nach) but I expect to get much better speed when some publisher uploads a run. Getting 1kb/s is in my opinion, very wrong.
>I'm guessing that if Nach had sent this to one person with very good upload before starting seeding the torrent, it would be finished by now instead of being at 66%. Is this wrong?
Yes, most likely wrong. As long as he doesn't resend the same part into the swarm several times (which he shouldn't), he uploads 118 MB to them just as fast as to a single person.
What it would solve though, is that people probably wouldn't be complaining, since the time to download the whole movie would be shorter, even though the end time when you have the whole movie is the same. (Awkward sentence. Hope I got through.)
EDIT: clarified double meaning in first sentence
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AngerFist wrote:
Yes, Im 100% aware that Im complaining (you know I totally respect and like you Nach) but I expect to get much better speed when some publisher uploads a run. Getting 1kb/s is in my opinion, very wrong.
Would you prefer I stop encoding runs and just leave things sitting there in the queue?
I guess encoding 5 AVIs and publishing them in one day and expecting a simple thank you is too much to ask.
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I guess encoding 5 AVIs and publishing them in one day and expecting a simple thank you is too much to ask.
Regardless of who's download speed is faster, it could have saved time and effort on both of yours parts to use Maza's already-encoded AVI instead of making your own as well. Don't accuse people of not appreciating your encodes when you don't appreciate Maza's.
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JXQ wrote:
Nach wrote:
I guess encoding 5 AVIs and publishing them in one day and expecting a simple thank you is too much to ask.
Regardless of who's download speed is faster, it could have saved time and effort on both of yours parts to use Maza's already-encoded AVI instead of making your own as well. Don't accuse people of not appreciating your encodes when you don't appreciate Maza's.
Who said I don't appreciate Maza's? I was told last night in the channel it lacked "this is a TAS" text in the part of the movie where there is player input, which is against our rules, and that the quality could be better. I've also published several Maza encodes in the past.
I even went out of my way to encode this run despite it being large, and that I don't even like the game.
On the other hand it's obvious here people would rather complain. Whenever I publish any sizable run I see a dozen posts complaining and the same arguments mentioned again and again, and usually not even one person says thank you.
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The only point I was making is that it seems like a waste of time to encode a run that was already encoded. I am surprised there is an error in Maza's encode because he typically does a very good job.
Regardless, there's absolutely NO need to drag that through the mud to turn it into "people don't appreciate what I'm doing". I'm just trying to save you and Maza both some time, chill.
Edit: In case it wasn't clear, this means I'm not complaining about Nach's download speed. It would be the same as if someone with a higher speed published it 1 day later, so it's not even an issue.
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Nach, could you please stop posting, you're wasting your precious bandwidth. thank you. ;-)
we're having this argument each time Nach publishes something, it's leading nowhere. You know what they say? Patience is a.. card game you can always enjoy while waiting for that download to finish. right?
by the way Nach, if you're relying on positive feedback from a community to enjoy your contribution, you're always bound for frustration. I don't see frequent thank you's to the other publishers as well.
The complaining minority is always louder than the majority who's just silently appreciating your work. Ignoring the idiots is the first step to happyness.
Tub: Feel free to voice your opinions of how great the encoding and publishing around here is in this thread. It would be good to hear from both sides.
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To the best of my understanding, the post JXQ made on the sites forum does not have to do with what Nach is encoding, so much as it has to do with the general inefficiency currently in the encoding and publishing system -- multiple encoders encoding the same run, while other runs languish.
And then, runs which have been encoded can still sometimes sit for weeks or months before being published.
I also believe that the rant was directed more at Bisqwit and DeHackEd than Nach, only citing Nach as an example of someone who's trying to fix the problem, but still getting mired in inefficiency because there is very little coordination between encoders.
But most importantly, (and this is primarily directed towards tub), I believe that JXQ made a separate thread precisely for this discussion. So that people can discuss the problem, and find a solution, without making so many offtopic posts in threads of published movies.
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JXQ wrote:
The only point I was making is that it seems like a waste of time to encode a run that was already encoded. I am surprised there is an error in Maza's encode because he typically does a very good job.
Here, read the story yourself:
Dec 11 22:10:41 <Upthorn> text isn't showing up on my GBA avi dumps either
Dec 11 22:10:45 <DrNach> Truncated, how many are DMG/AGB?
Dec 11 22:11:00 <AngerFist> This aint so bad: #1379: Comicalflop's N64 Super Smash Bros in 08:08
Dec 11 22:11:30 <Maza> De, i missed the whole line :)
Dec 11 22:11:38 <DeHackEd> that'd do it
Dec 11 22:11:39 <Baxter> AngerFist: to publish you mean?
Dec 11 22:11:58 <AngerFist> yeah.
Dec 11 22:12:09 <DeHackEd> unable to encode super dodge ball: no such ROM
Dec 11 22:12:18 <Baxter> AngerFist: there are like a quinzillion ACCEPTED movies...
Dec 11 22:12:19 <AngerFist> I didnt think it was that bad to warrant a rejection.
Dec 11 22:12:31 <NesVideoAgent> New reply by antd (N64gam: Super Smash Bros.): http://tasvideos.org/forum/p/105933
Dec 11 22:12:32 <AngerFist> quinzillion :D
Dec 11 22:13:03 <Truncated> DrNach: 8 accepted ones
Dec 11 22:13:17 <DrNach> Truncated, which do you think I should encode?
Dec 11 22:13:40 <adelikat> either harmony of dissonance ones
Dec 11 22:13:48 <Truncated> DrNach: or Ninja Spirit
Dec 11 22:14:18 <Maza> DrNach, so can you help me to fix my problem?
Dec 11 22:14:24 <Truncated> or all 3?
Dec 11 22:14:24 <Baxter> JXQ's castlevania run is also very nice
Dec 11 22:14:24 <adelikat> http://tasvideos.org/944S.html
Dec 11 22:14:24 <adelikat> that one can't take long, only 45sec
Dec 11 22:14:24 <AngerFist> But didnt Maza encode JXQ's castlevania run?
Dec 11 22:14:35 <DrNach> If someone can pass me Dissonance ROM, I'll go encode it
Dec 11 22:14:36 <Brushy> yes
Dec 11 22:14:38 <Maza> yep
Dec 11 22:14:38 <AngerFist> Or Baxters Arkanoid run!
Dec 11 22:14:38 <Baxter> ah :)
Dec 11 22:16:33 <DrNach> mmm two Harmoney runs I see
Dec 11 22:16:40 <DrNach> and one looks easy to get out of the way
Dec 11 22:17:32 <Maza> yes it is and would have, but i don't have those status messages enabled in avi recording :(
Dec 11 23:11:07 <DrNach> Man that was fast
Dec 11 23:12:45 <DrNach> man he flys through this game so fast, I barely have any time to put our standard text up
Dec 11 23:28:04 <DrNach> and ve chave one encode done
Dec 11 23:28:36 <DeHackEd> maza is currently sending me my third AVI...
Dec 11 23:33:27 <NesVideoAgent> New movie published! Go and see [727] GBA "maxim" Castlevania - Harmony of Dissonance (USA) by pirate_sephiroth at http://tasvideos.org/727M.html
Dec 12 00:00:04 <DrNach> anyways encoding the next one now
Dec 12 00:00:26 <DrNach> JXQ made it easier by supplying a screenshot for this one :)
Dec 12 00:00:55 <Brushy> You're encoding JXQ's Castlevania?
Dec 12 00:03:27 <Brushy> Nach?
Dec 12 00:03:40 <DeHackEd> quite the filename
Dec 12 00:03:43 <DrNach> Brushy, yes
Dec 12 00:04:00 <Brushy> Maza has that one already encoded
Dec 12 00:04:00 <Maza> DrNach, i have already encoded it
Dec 12 00:04:06 <Maza> http://koti.mbnet.fi/maza-/encoded_avis.txt
Dec 12 00:04:32 <Maza> DeHackEd, yeah :D
Dec 12 00:04:39 <Maza> feel free to change it if you wish
Dec 12 00:04:43 <chewan> Harmony of Dissonance <3
Dec 12 00:04:49 <DrNach> why doesn't anyone tell me these things?
Dec 12 00:05:10 <Brushy> It has been said about 32094820940293 times
Dec 12 00:05:20 <Brushy> It reads in Maza's signature
Dec 12 00:05:39 <DrNach> I haven't been reading the forums as much as I should of as late
Dec 12 00:05:41 <Maza> DrNach: well, from now on you can check that list of mine to see which runs i have encoded
Dec 12 00:05:44 <DrNach> I've also had the flu...
Dec 12 00:06:00 <DrNach> Maza bookmarked
Dec 12 00:06:07 <Maza> good ;)
Dec 12 00:07:06 <DrNach> Maza, although how was your quality?
Dec 12 00:07:16 <Brushy> it was good
Dec 12 00:07:23 <DrNach> There's the question if I should quit my encode which is like 1/8th done and on auto pilot
Dec 12 00:07:25 <Brushy> I can assure you
Dec 12 00:07:26 <DrNach> or just use yours
Dec 12 00:07:27 <Maza> good, at least in my oppinion
Dec 12 00:07:41 <DrNach> I think the AVI I just published was lossless...
Dec 12 00:07:44 <DrNach> and only 5MB too
Dec 12 00:07:45 <Maza> but you can ask that also from De (he has the same file too)
Dec 12 00:07:53 <DeHackEd> which file?
Dec 12 00:08:07 <DrNach> if De has it, why did AngerFist and adelikat ask me to encode it?
Dec 12 00:08:11 <Maza> mm.. Nach, are we talking about the same movie here? :)
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> GAME_NAME="Castlevania - Harmony of Dissonance"
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> PLAYER_NAME="JXQ"
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> LENGTH="00:30:44"
Dec 12 00:08:39 <DrNach> RERECORD="54126"
Dec 12 00:09:00 <DeHackEd> yes, I have an AVI matching those specs
Dec 12 00:09:02 <Maza> well then, yes
Dec 12 00:10:46 <DeHackEd> hmmm... the 'this is a tool-assisted movie' appears to be in the opening, not in the actual game.
Dec 12 00:11:15 <DrNach> ?
Dec 12 00:12:30 <Upthorn> it should be overlayed on gameplay to prevent dumbasses from passing it off as their own
Dec 12 00:12:46 <DrNach> DeHackEd, if you are talking about my movie, it is overlayed on the gameplay
Dec 12 00:12:59 <DeHackEd> I'm not talking about your movie. How could I talk about it?
Dec 12 00:13:10 <DrNach> DeHackEd, you could have the beginning of it downloaded already
Dec 12 00:13:17 <DrNach> seeing as I already uploaded 90%
Dec 12 00:13:40 <DeHackEd> you published it?
Dec 12 00:14:02 <DrNach> DeHackEd, the 27 second one? yes
Dec 12 00:14:24 <DeHackEd> no, this is the 30 minute version
Dec 12 00:24:05 <DrNach> As for the 30 minute one
Dec 12 00:24:07 <DrNach> I'm on pass 3
Dec 12 00:24:28 <Maza> mine has been ready for days ;)
Dec 12 00:24:47 <Raiscan> oops
Dec 12 00:24:50 <Maza> though yours migh look better since you are using so many passes
I started it prior to knowing Maza had one, I was going to quit mine when DeHackEd said it lacked the message in the right place so people could rip your movie off. Maza then also mentioned mine would probably look better.
All in all I decided to let mine continue and to publish it. I have nothing against Maza, appreciate his encodes and publish his AVIs from time to time.
JXQ wrote:
Regardless, there's absolutely NO need to drag that through the mud to turn it into "people don't appreciate what I'm doing". I'm just trying to save you and Maza both some time, chill.
I appreciate if you saved us time. I also generally prefer Maza's encodes since it saves my uploads. However every single time I encode any sizable runs all I get is complaining.
Furthermore to add more to it people are libeling me here saying I have something against Maza which I do not, I merely followed DeHackEd's comment of the AVI having improper text. Then there is a whole new thread started on the subject, saying stuff like we only encode Mega Man runs and leave everything else in the queue only encoding popular stuff. I see Mega Man Zero 2 has been in the queue for two weeks now, and I encoded 5 other AVIs instead including Ninja Spirit which is completely unknown. I've cleaned up the complete DMG queue, and half the AGB queue, I was planning on publishing MMZ2 after Operation C and the AVI for this run was finished being passed around.
And JXQ, I have nothing against you, love most of your runs, and am honored to finally be privledged to publish one of your runs even if I don't like the game that much.
However I have the flu at the moment, not feeling well, and it'd be nice to feel appreciated for going on an encoding spree instead of seeing complaint posts, complaint threads, and libel against me.
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Well let it be known that I do appreciate your efforts, as well as other encoders, but that doesn't mean there aren't any problems in the process, which is why I posted at the other thread (and I have been feeling that way for much longer than this incident).
I apologize for jumping to conclusions on why you encoded an already encoded movie. However, this doesn't change my feelings in the other thread.
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JXQ wrote:
Well let it be known that I do appreciate your efforts, as well as other encoders, but that doesn't mean there aren't any problems in the process, which is why I posted at the other thread (and I have been feeling that way for much longer than this incident).
I apologize for jumping to conclusions on why you encoded an already encoded movie. However, this doesn't change my feelings in the other thread.
Seconded. This issue is older and more global than this one publication.
I am glad to see you on a publishing spree. It just happens to coincide with an expression of discontent that has been brewing for a long time.
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Tub wrote:
by the way Nach, if you're relying on positive feedback from a community to enjoy your contribution, you're always bound for frustration. I don't see frequent thank you's to the other publishers as well.
I'm aware, but for the first time in this thread someone requested that I stop encoding videos.
Tub wrote:
The complaining minority is always louder than the majority who's just silently appreciating your work. Ignoring the idiots is the first step to happyness.
True, but I'd somewhat think people who do appreciate it would say something here against all the people always complaining. Since I see no argument, it seems like no one actually wants me to encode anything.
upthorn wrote:
To the best of my understanding, the post JXQ made on the sites forum does not have to do with what Nach is encoding, so much as it has to do with the general inefficiency currently in the encoding and publishing system -- multiple encoders encoding the same run, while other runs languish.
Uh huh, this is the 3rd time a new thread was created about inefficient publishing system or publishers not using super seeder or whatever stupidity immediately after another fight about my upload speed. If this was posted last week it would be one thing, but no it was posted in response to this thread.
upthorn wrote:
And then, runs which have been encoded can still sometimes sit for weeks or months before being published.
Perhaps, but I only handle encoding for two systems at the moment, and feel I'm doing a decent job, yet I see a thread telling me all my work is for naught.
upthorn wrote:
I also believe that the rant was directed more at Bisqwit and DeHackEd than Nach, only citing Nach as an example of someone who's trying to fix the problem, but still getting mired in inefficiency because there is very little coordination between encoders.
Which isn't true.
upthorn wrote:
But most importantly, (and this is primarily directed towards tub), I believe that JXQ made a separate thread precisely for this discussion. So that people can discuss the problem, and find a solution, without making so many offtopic posts in threads of published movies.
Yet it relates to the seeding of this movie and what happened, and spliting the posts in two is just off topic over there. It would be best if perhaps I split these posts off into another thread.
I will now answer from there what applies to here.
JXQ wrote:
How is this fixable? Efforts could be coordinated among encoders better. For example, Maza had first encoded my Castlevania run, and then Nach also decided to encode it himself. This could have been avoided with better coordination, with Nach spending the time encoding a different run, and we’d have more runs published as a result, with less wasted time by both encoders.
So you'd rather I'd publish an AVI with bad text so people can rip off your movie? The example here is misinformation caused by people who weren't in the channel spreading rumors without verifying anything.
JXQ wrote:
A little more effort on the publisher’s part would do wonders. There are encoded runs waiting to be published. This is a five-minute process, if that, yet it just doesn’t happen. This is either straight laziness, or a purposeful delay of publishing movies (which is biting the site in the ass since the queue is so cramped with accepted runs).
Personally, I put a lot of effort into publishing. I try within 10 minutes of every video I publish to make sure a screenshot, classes, and description text is up. I also try to make sure if possible naming styles is consistent with other movies of the same game/series if applicable so they appear near each other. I also try at times to link various runs together. It's not a 5 minute process, and yet I do it. I even do it for runs I haven't encoded, and I've published runs for movies I did not encode roughly half the proportion of movies I did encode.
JXQ wrote:
More encoders would be helpful. However, the chances of that happening are slim when the page explaining how to encode things comes across like a condescending jackass (“spoon-fed instructions”).
The more instructions available the better. Although personally I'd love if some of the more important repetitive tasks would be together on one page since I run them over and over again each run and have to keep hunting for them. Such as the btmakefile command with the proper tracker, or the convert command to reduce colors in PNGs.
JXQ wrote:
Lastly, I want to make sure I give a special mention to Maza. What does this guy do? He encodes movies – lots of them, and not just the most popular ones. Then he has them ready for a publisher to put on the site. Guess how often this happens? Not too much, since the publishers are busy figuring out which Mega Man run to encode next. Seriously it takes LESS THAN FIVE MINUTES. I can’t believe Maza still does it; he’s even been bitched at for encoding a movie that wasn’t yet accepted. So THANK YOU MAZA, for your attempts at keeping the queue manageable and the site afloat.
I also applaud Maza for the work he does. However to paraphrase a bit to give you an idea how I feel after all these complaints.
Lastly, I want to make sure I give a special mention to Nach. What does this guy do? He encodes movies – most of them for the unpopular systems, and not just the most popular ones like NES and SNES leaving the other ones ignored. Then he has a page ready describing the movie instead of leaving a generic screenshot or a "Todo: Describe Here".
Guess how often this happens? Not too much, since the users just make him feel unappreciated saying he uploads too slow, replicates work, and is what is wrong with this site. I can’t believe Nach still does it; he’s even been bitched at for encoding and publishing 5 movies in one day and cleaning up the queue for the rarer less loved systems. So THANK YOU NACH, for your attempts at keeping the queue manageable and the site afloat.
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You're right, I need to start complaining about all those pages with "TODO" and the ugly 3D Meggerhelmet on them. That's just not professional, you guys!
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Well, I'll give a shout out to Nach. Thanks.
And thanks to everyone else who takes the time to encode.
Now if we can get a seeder, even one, on THIS particular torrent, the rest of us can finish the job!
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JXQ wrote:
Well let it be known that I do appreciate your efforts, as well as other encoders, but that doesn't mean there aren't any problems in the process, which is why I posted at the other thread (and I have been feeling that way for much longer than this incident).
Thanks for appreciating.
As for there being problems, yes there are some, but I don't think it's hey let's both encode the newest Mega Man run. Do realize not everyone has every rare game submitted and it's just a matter of statistics that the more popular the game, the more likely a publisher has it, and the more likely it'll be encoded. Same holds true if it's a run for a game already containing a movie on the site.
Judging from the queue we just need more encoder/publisher people for NES that have rarer games. Publishers do get around to rarer movies but you have to realize the rarer or longer the game is the longer it'll take till it gets published.
JXQ wrote:
I apologize for jumping to conclusions on why you encoded an already encoded movie.
Thanks, I feel better. Now quit arguing and get back to TAS'ing.
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