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Posted: 5/29/2006 5:40 PM
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Spacecow
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Just downloaded and beat this game yesterday... great little game, though I missed the 2nd bonus game somewhere. The 1st has fantastic music though :)
Posted: 5/30/2006 12:29 AM
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xebra
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Spacecow wrote:
Just downloaded and beat this game yesterday... great little game, though I missed the 2nd bonus game somewhere. The 1st has fantastic music though :)
The two codes are 3680 and 6910. One is high in the sky in the practice level, if you scale the western side with the rubber ball, new platforms appear. The other is sneakily revealed for a few seconds by a lion in the Shadowlands.
Posted: 5/30/2006 12:31 AM
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flagitious wrote:
Ok thanks. BTW xebra, can you give me a location and a jump sequence for that inside corner glitch thing you mentioned? I couldn't get it to work anywhere.
There isn't a jump sequence, you just have to get the ball in the right position like I described before.
Posted: 5/30/2006 2:36 AM
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JXQ: Get a program to press Up about 25 times per second and it can go through the ceiling (only in levels, does not work in main map for some reason), then you can fly around in the walls to where you want to go. xebra: Ok, I got the ball into the position described (sometimes dropping down, sometimes rising up) and started to jump but it just broke.
g,o,p,i=1e4,a[10001];main(x){for(;p?g=g/x*p+a[p]*i+2*!o: 53^(printf("%.4d",o+g/i),p=i,o=g%i);a[p--]=g%x)x=p*2-1;}
Posted: 5/30/2006 2:40 AM
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xebra
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Yeah, it doesn't always work >< .
Posted: 5/30/2006 10:35 PM
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Spacecow
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xebra wrote:
Spacecow wrote:
Just downloaded and beat this game yesterday... great little game, though I missed the 2nd bonus game somewhere. The 1st has fantastic music though :)
The two codes are 3680 and 6910. One is high in the sky in the practice level, if you scale the western side with the rubber ball, new platforms appear. The other is sneakily revealed for a few seconds by a lion in the Shadowlands.
Thanks, missed that Shadowlands one.
Posted: 6/2/2006 8:41 AM
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THIS is not new, but it's better than a silly ball.
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Posted: 6/2/2006 3:16 PM
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Posted: 6/2/2006 6:10 PM
Post subject: Re: hey
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pirate_sephiroth wrote:
THIS is not new, but it's better than a silly ball.
Umm, what? No, not really. I mean, can you make this jump? I don't really see why it's neccessary to remake a game, but this time with horrible graphics and an inability to control it properly..
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Posted: 6/3/2006 12:29 AM
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But it looks THREE DEE! And they're in SPACE! But they're still LIMOZEEN!
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Posted: 6/20/2006 8:07 PM
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quoted from SDA, Nifflas (the author of the game) finally posted a recorded run of his 20:59. glitchless. http://nifflas.outpostmusic.com/Wafflerun.wmv not perfect, but incredible consistency for such a long time and a game that difficult. by the way, I'm no expert so, could someone tell me why sometimes the ball glows red ?
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Posted: 6/20/2006 8:50 PM
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SXL wrote:
by the way, I'm no expert so, could someone tell me why sometimes the ball glows red ?
That's the game's "brakes" feature. It slows down the movement/bouncing to a minimum, I believe.
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Posted: 6/20/2006 11:19 PM
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No effect on movement speed, it just reduces the ball's elastic coefficient. (Of course, that does actually affect your movement speed in the direction of the bounce, but you know what I'm getting at, here.)
Posted: 7/31/2007 8:06 PM
Post subject: Within a Deep Hedgehog
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Someone over in the sonic hacking community has made a hack of Sonic 1 called Within a Deep Hedgehog Perhaps some of you may enjoy it.
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Posted: 12/14/2011 6:52 AM
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Post subject: Within a Deep Forest
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I recently played through this game for the first time, and I still don't know much about it at all, but I see potential for an amazing TAS. That said, I tested compatability with hourglass, and it works much better than I expected, although not completely. There isn't a thread for this game yet so I thought I would kick it off. [yadda yadda old and some bad info, edited]
Posted: 12/14/2011 4:54 PM
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http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3847&start=0 I didn't reread, but this is probably a good place to start for glitches and level strategies.
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Posted: 9/7/2012 3:49 PM
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So I completed a test run of this game. MKV: http://www.mediafire.com/?y8cbigzrlbabotz Time is 9:56.57 so I got sub-10min. I have no doubt it could be further optimized by some seconds. This is my first attempt at TASing and the only real tools used were rerecording and frame advance. I made a 2 second strategy error in Shadowlands; I spliced the fix into the video. On my system, sound effects don't play in this game, just the bgm. Also, the framerate of this game is 57.1fps; the run was made set to 60. A better choice would have been 57. The run did indeed play ~5% faster than it should, so I have carefully adjusted this video accordingly to make the playback and run time accurate. In the past I prescribed a few Hourglass settings changes, but I think the only one necessary is Allow loading any custom/installed DLLs. I hope this shows the potential of the game to be TASed and lays out the route for someone with more ability than me. I think hourglass will need to support fractional framerates before this game can be TASed to site standards; as far as I know it doesn't yet. And the whole sound effects not working thing sucks, although I'm not ruling that out as being a problem with my setup.
Posted: 9/7/2012 4:50 PM
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Aww, I was looking forward to watching this, but VLC 2.0.3 doesn't handle the encod properly for some reason -- I just get a green screen. A shame. Also, of course, a shame that the game cannot be finished. I assume it plays fine outside of Hourglass? Anyway, thanks for making the effort!
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Posted: 9/7/2012 9:01 PM
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It works better in Media Player Classic - Home Cinema. The view is still mostly green, but you can still see what's happening. By the way, the link to the game in the OP is dead, but the game can be found here.
Posted: 9/7/2012 9:03 PM
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CoolKirby wrote:
By the way, the link to the game in the OP is dead, but the game can be found here.
I fixed the first post's link.
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Posted: 9/7/2012 11:00 PM
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DRybes
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It didn't occur to me to make a more traditional encode instead of some fancy smancy one that you need very recent codecs to play. I just updated my post with a link to a normal MKV that should play just fine for most people. :) Also, thanks for merging the topics.
Posted: 9/8/2012 12:45 AM
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Awesome, thanks. :) Nice TAS! That glass ball trick really breaks the game open, doesn't it? I wonder if maybe the failure at the end of the game is due to some kind of anti-cheating mechanism built into it...is it possible for a game to detect that it's running within a modified framework of some kind?
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Posted: 9/8/2012 2:20 AM
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I suspect the failure at the end has more to do with the fact that the code you need to enter is 7190 instead of 7910.
Posted: 9/8/2012 5:22 AM
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Nitrodon wrote:
I suspect the failure at the end has more to do with the fact that the code you need to enter is 7190 instead of 7910.
wow, I'm amazingly dumb. Fixed that and finished it (post updated), thank you. I also found a glaring mistake that is too far back to fix (hexing = desyncs): I could have kept the glass ball straight to the end of Shadowlands. It's possible to get through the air current using a bounce offset against the ceiling.
Posted: 9/12/2012 4:27 PM
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I was thinking of this game just the other day, wondering if it wouldn't make a nice TAS. And indeed it did! Are you making an update to this run to fix that "glaring mistake" you mentioned? And if so, would you like suggestions on how to improve it? It's hard to tell if something is optimal in this game by just looking at it, but some extra bounces look like they could possibly be avoided. Stylewise, it would be more entertaining to not hug the right corner during the mine cart sequence.
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