Holy crap O_O you're ahead of son1cgu1tar without upgrades
btw what rev did you use? the more save fixes or tasinput? or did you even use a TAS input?
Completed:
2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes
2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23
2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87
2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time)
2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350
2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10
2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567
Currently working on:
SA2:B DARK STORY
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The newest one that bzb95 has released (TAS Input AND more save fixes). Though he has more plans for the TAS Input in the future, so we might switch to that rev mid-run (provided everything syncs).
the "more save fixes" (if I'm not mistaken) was the first rev with a TAS input, and its DTMs sync up fine with "tasinput"
I think the era of crappy revisions not syncing up with crappyer revisions has come to an end
Completed:
2010-Current | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Individual Level TASes
2014 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 1:05:03.23
2014 | Sonic Adventure 2: Battle - Hero Story (w/ THC98) in 25:11.87
2016 | Metroid Prime - Any% in 00:37 (In-Game Time)
2018 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:42.350
2020 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Any% in 0:39:20.10
2022 | Spongebob: Battle For Bikini Bottom - Cheat% in 1:25.567
Currently working on:
SA2:B DARK STORY
the "more save fixes" (if I'm not mistaken) was the first rev with a TAS input, and its DTMs sync up fine with "tasinput"
I think the era of crappy revisions not syncing up with crappyer revisions has come to an end
You are mistaken. It's been around for a quite some time now.
And a revision about a month ago prevents movies from earlier versions from syncing. Before that though, they'll sync going back more than a thousand revisions.
If the issue ever comes up, i could compile it for you. Only takes a minute or two to update files, start compiling, and zip+upload them, so it's not a big deal to do.
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Sounds good.
Also, thanks itsPersonnal for bringing up son1cgu1tar's run. We totally forgot about the speed shoes so we had 0 rings. Luckily, I think I can just hex in some B presses at the 4 ring box area, and possibly at the 3 ring box area as well. rog, do you know what the formula is for finding a frame of input in a hex editor?
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Thanks rog! Will update this post with results.
Edit: It worked to break the first 4!! Will try the next 3! =)
Edit 2: Sadly, we'll have to re-do the part with the 3 ring boxes. We turn away from them too fast to lock on to them simply through adding B presses. Luckily it's not very much to change though!
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At 0:25 in this video, how does he get 5 ring boxes when there's only 4 in the room? If I can get that box somehow, I won't need to get the third one in the later room.
It looks like one of those is him passing through the checkpoint. Remember, checkpoints give 5 rings for 20-39, 10 for 40-59, and 20 for 60-79 (and as you know, speedshoes for 80-89).
Also, do you know if you'll be doing any dualspeed duration in the TAS (getting two speedshoes overlapping to get a permanent speed increase). It seems like somewhere there should be two checkpoints close enough (or a capsule and a checkpoint...City Escape comes to mind as a candidate).
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RingRush wrote:
It looks like one of those is him passing through the checkpoint. Remember, checkpoints give 5 rings for 20-39, 10 for 40-59, and 20 for 60-79 (and as you know, speedshoes for 80-89).
Well, I feel stupid, lol.
RingRush wrote:
Also, do you know if you'll be doing any dualspeed duration in the TAS (getting two speedshoes overlapping to get a permanent speed increase).
We haven't planned that far ahead, but thank you for the reminder.
Edit: It doesn't seem possible to get the extra 5 from the checkpoint because of how much speed Eggman has. We'll have to get all three in that corner I suppose.
Edit 2: 55 rings, no frames lost. Now Mapler and I just need to find an optimal way to get the 2 boxes after the turn.
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RingRush wrote:
Also, do you know if you'll be doing any dualspeed duration in the TAS (getting two speedshoes overlapping to get a permanent speed increase). It seems like somewhere there should be two checkpoints close enough (or a capsule and a checkpoint...City Escape comes to mind as a candidate).
I think it would be needlessly restrictive to not allow this, for non-TAS it's useful as a rule that prevents people from doing speedruns starting the stage with the effect of a speedshoe even by mistake, since you won't ever get 2 of them at all (this is the only reason I can find to make this rule have any meaning, although I'd like too much more if getting 2 speedshoes in the same life was allowed, but of course not restarting the stage then, either finishing it or exitting to the stage select screen), but for TAS I don't see why this should be prohibited.
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So I managed to get the "checkpoint container" without losing any time (saved 2 frames from redoing the slope + gravity trick part actually). After the fact, I managed to save 28 more frames up to the other 4 ring containers. This means I don't need both of the ring containers in the next room (only the 20) and can hit the ground sooner to get to the next door faster. Wish us luck for that troll of a door! ;P
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From the looks of it, we'll finish Iron Gate with a time of early 1:04s or late 1:03s. I compared the times of our run from a year ago to what we have now (at the very last exploding door when the first red bomb shows up) and the difference is 54 seconds. That extremely old run finished with a time of 1:58:95. So subtract the 54 from that, plus redoing/optimizing everything after, then you get my guess. Remember though, the old run was doing all the doors horribly (targeting all 4 bombs at once instead of 1 at a time), AND didn't have the speed shoes at this point. Hope to move on from this stage soon! =)
Edit: Oh, and we're about 1.3 seconds ahead of son1cgu1tar's upgrades run. We obviously lost some time compared to him at the elevator skip.
Mapler and I are 27.43 seconds ahead of our Iron Gate run from last year.
Left: our TAS run (no upgrades)
Right: son1cgu1tar's non-TAS run (with upgrades)
Just for comparison purposes. =)
