Incidentally, the Sonic 2 maps at The Sonic Center were recently updated with a batch I made. 100% scaled, all rings and objects shown, with hitboxes and solidity.
They should be quite helpful for route planning. (except sky chase).
Already came across them and they have indeed been a great help towards planning.
As for the comments about "keeping the flow". I can honestly so far I've not done a whole lot of back-tracking to get to the special stages (Give or take a few seconds to get the third special stage in EHZ1) And as I said, I personally feel it would become quite cumbersome having to mess around getting Emeralds in later zones where such solid routes without emeralds have already been posted.
Times so far:
Notes:
Enter [S]pecial[S]tage is from the moment control is granted, until the moment the screen begins to flash to special stage
Complete [S]pecial[S]stage is from the moment control is granted, until screen is completely faded out (and input is ignored)
Complete Stage is from the moment control is granted, until the signpost is hit.
Enter SS1: 579->1424 (14 seconds)
Complete SS1: 1581->6771 (86.5 seconds)
Enter SS2: 6921->7697 (12.9 seconds)
Complete SS2: 7855->13632 (96.3 seconds)
Enter SS3: 13782->15031 (20.8 seconds)
Complete SS3: 15188->21830 (110.7 seconds)
And as I said, I personally feel it would become quite cumbersome having to mess around getting Emeralds in later zones where such solid routes without emeralds have already been posted.
DDRKhat wrote:
DDRKhat wrote:
Times so far:
Notes:
Enter [S]pecial[S]tage is from the moment control is granted, until the moment the screen begins to flash to special stage
Complete [S]pecial[S]stage is from the moment control is granted, until screen is completely faded out (and input is ignored)
Complete Stage is from the moment control is granted, until the signpost is hit.
Enter SS1: 579->1424 (14 seconds)
Complete SS1: 1581->6771 (86.5 seconds)
Enter SS2: 6921->7697 (12.9 seconds)
Complete SS2: 7855->13632 (96.3 seconds)
Enter SS3: 13782->15031 (20.8 seconds)
Complete SS3: 15188->21830 (110.7 seconds)
Not counting time spent in special stages (6921-1424 + 13782-7967 + 21980-15031 = 18261 frames (5 minutes 4.35 seconds), you have lost 2130 frames (35.5 seconds) in EH1, compared to entering no special stages. (1424-579+7697-6921+15031-13782+22286-21980 = 3176; 1625-579 = 1046; 3176-1046 = 2130)
By comparison, if you entered only one special stage, at the third lamp post, you could probably get away with only 3 to 5 seconds loss.
If we assume about the same time loss for each emerald, we get 2130 * (7/3) = 4970 frames (1 minute 22.8 seconds) of in-level time loss.
Whereas 3 to 5seconds per emerald * 7emeralds = 21 to 35 seconds of total in-level time loss.
Yes, this will require more work from you, but it'll provide a savings of 47 to 61 seconds, which is way too much to shrug off. In fact, collecting a single chaos emerald would have to lose you almost 12 seconds in each level it's done in for this not to pay off better.
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
Not counting time spent in special stages, you have lost 2130 frames (35.5 seconds) in EH1, compared to entering no special stages.
Gee. I wonder why I'm loosing time doing something extra.
upthorn wrote:
By comparison, if you entered only one special stage, at the third lamp post, you could probably get away with only 3 to 5 seconds loss.
If we assume about the same time loss for each emerald, we get 2130 * (7/3) = 4970 frames (1 minute 22.8 seconds) of in-level time loss.
Whereas 3 to 5seconds per emerald * 7emeralds = 21 to 35 seconds of total in-level time loss.
Yes, this will require more work from you, but it'll provide a savings of 47 to 61 seconds, which is way too much to shrug off. In fact, collecting a single chaos emerald would have to lose you almost 12 seconds in each level it's done in for this not to pay off better.
I'll leave you or someone else to this then. Seeing as you clearly have this calculated deeply and (From the sounds of it) was planning to do it.
I get the feeling I've just become a jester for you, Upthorn. Thanks.
Here was my route. If anyone cares
I care. Nice to see you took my suggestion on board, SS 7 looked especially great since that is usually a mad scramble for rings :-)
Also, I agree with upthorn that it would be more efficient to grab the special stages as they come. Super Sonic probably wont save any time across Chemical Plant, so maybe a 5 or even 4 SS route across EHZ would be best, picking up 1 or 2 in CPZ, and perhaps the final one in ARZ.
I think the only way to test how efficient Super Sonic would be is to start working from the start of CPZ with Super Sonic available and see how much time (if any) can be saved, and eliminate that from the 7 SS route. CPZ2 is probably the first point where SS can save significant time though.
Not counting time spent in special stages, you have lost 2130 frames (35.5 seconds) in EH1, compared to entering no special stages.
Gee. I wonder why I'm loosing time doing something extra.
upthorn wrote:
By comparison, if you entered only one special stage, at the third lamp post, you could probably get away with only 3 to 5 seconds loss.
If we assume about the same time loss for each emerald, we get 2130 * (7/3) = 4970 frames (1 minute 22.8 seconds) of in-level time loss.
Whereas 3 to 5seconds per emerald * 7emeralds = 21 to 35 seconds of total in-level time loss.
Yes, this will require more work from you, but it'll provide a savings of 47 to 61 seconds, which is way too much to shrug off. In fact, collecting a single chaos emerald would have to lose you almost 12 seconds in each level it's done in for this not to pay off better.
I'll leave you or someone else to this then. Seeing as you clearly have this calculated deeply and (From the sounds of it) was planning to do it.
The only calculations I've done have been off of your work. I was trying to help. Nice to see it was appreciated...
How fleeting are all human passions compared with the massive continuity of ducks.
I believe stanski has provided his 100% route in the sonic 2 thread on SDA, if you can find that it would probably help. don't give up just because a couple people tell you what you're doing wrong.
...but wasn't the point of the run play with Super Sonic? So, it would make sense having all the 7 emeralds ASAP, we'd have more Super Sonic for all the other stages...
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...but wasn't the point of the run play with Super Sonic? So, it would make sense having all the 7 emeralds ASAP, we'd have more Super Sonic for all the other stages...
This.
I'm pretty sure the time it takes to get Super Sonic can't be made up by using him...might as well either get all the emeralds as soon as they're available (Emerald Hill), or just use the 4126 code and start with him immediately, like Paused said. :p
Well, 3 options:
1- getting all emeralds while "keeping the flow", already discussed
2- getting all emeralds in... Emerald Hill. (Or 6 in EH and 1 on Chemical Plant).
3- Using the code to get all emeralds.
Both 1 and 2 have the bonus stages to deal with. A lot of people hate them, but I personally love, specially using the "get all rings" idea
3 uses a cheat code. A lot of people will hate this. And you know the rules, and so do I.
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i would think the point of a Super Sonic run, aside from playing as SS, is to show the special stages, which will never be shown in any other type of run.
i say to do whichever option is faster.
OmegaWatcher wrote:
1- getting all emeralds while "keeping the flow", already discussed
This, it fits in with the 100% and has a higher chance of getting published. And it looks alot more challenging than running around being invincible all the time while the Super Sonic music loops for half an hour(talking about option 3. Oh, and the fact that I want to see the special stages).
3 uses a cheat code. A lot of people will hate this. And you know the rules, and so do I.
A full commitment’s what I’m thinking of,
Satoryu wrote:
i would think the point of a Super Sonic run, aside from playing as SS, is to show the special stages, which will never be shown in any other type of run.
i say to do whichever option is faster.
Faster to do what, Obtain Super Sonic, or to complete the game?
As for a General Consensus, I see the following votes for both options so far.
(4) getting all emeralds in... Emerald Hill. (Or 6 in EH and 1 on Chemical Plant): OmegaWatcher, ZeXr0, DDRKhat & 4matsy
(3) getting all emeralds while "keeping the flow", already discussed : Upthorn, FuzZerd? & Wockes
Wockes wrote:
And it looks alot more challenging than running around being invincible all the time while the Super Sonic music loops for half an hour
Ironically you may only see Super Sonic half of the time, back when I was doing a test-run through Chemical Plant Act 1, it wasn't worth going Super Sonic in it.
And it looks alot more challenging than running around being invincible all the time while the Super Sonic music loops for half an hour
Ironically you may only see Super Sonic half of the time, back when I was doing a test-run through Chemical Plant Act 1, it wasn't worth going Super Sonic in it.
Oh the all emeralds code, I was thinking about the gameshark code that made you SS at the start of every level. I have no idea why I thought that. Maybe I was tired when I wrote it...
Yeah for the All Emeralds run, You could also use Knuckles in Sonic 2 (Sonic & Knuckles w/ Sonic 2)
That version the ring counter doesn't reset after completing the special stages. So you can save time in... say, the Chemical Plant zone.
