Post subject: Harassing users in TVC comments
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I've been thinking for a long time whether I should make some facts public or not, and I feel this is a good time to share with the community some unfortunate events that have been happening in TASVideos Youtube channel. I believe everyone is aware of the controversies involving the SMB1 TASes last year, and it has always been my position that, while HappyLee has made some exaggerations, some of the attacks he was target of were plainly unfair. One example of such attacks were numerous Youtube comments attacking his run made by some accounts I had never seen before. What is interesting about these accounts is that none of them has any content, and they were all created in the same day: Jan/24/2017 (you can check this by adding /about after their channel link). This strongly suggests they are sockpuppets controlled by a single user, and the really worrisome detail is that there is an absurd amount of ways to connect these sockpuppets to a staff member of this site. I earnestly ask you to read each piece of evidence I collected and to draw your own conclusions based on them. I don't want anyone to get banned over this nor to enforce any conclusions, but some abuse has happened on TVC and it should be discussed. I really think we should not allow to freely insult TASers (or even regular members) in TVC comments. These are the accounts that attacked the SMB TAS: I have severe pains thanks to Books. GraceLand 420NoScope ASAI Nyaa MyFirst Name (the only one that was created on a different day) Print of the attacks Link to video - Video removed. The video, also, got many dislikes. There is also this account, which didn't directly attack the video, but defended the attacks were done by legit accounts instead of sockpuppets. It attacked me as well, after I realized it was also created on January 24th, 2017, which made me decide to further investigate the situation. SpookDook was the only account with a profile picture, but after I pointed that out, 'I have severe pains thanks to Books' added a profile picture as well. More on this later. SpookDook Image with SpookDook's comments The problematic pattern I found after I tracked down the past behavior of these accounts is that they always seem to defend Spikestuff's point of view in diverse situations. This is an obvious example as it's known that Spikestuff disagreed of HappyLee's behavior in this controversy, but there are many others which I'll show later. Before, see how two of these accounts, together with a 7th account, AspireDesire, have done other attacks before. AspireDesire was also created on January 24th, 2017. Here, they are very aggressive when attacking EzGames69: AspireDesire Image Link (it's a backup of a text-only google cache of a site that tries to mimic Youtube. It was the only way to recover the comments, as the video was deleted from TVC.) Note that the video, again, has a lot of dislikes (you can't see them in the cache, but it's mentioned in the comments). This encode was deleted because it was replaced by Spikestuff, together with other EzGames69 encodes. EzGames69 was also attacked a second time, when he commented on a TAS made by Spikestuff: Image Link to comments The activity of these accounts is almost entirely constituted of attacks to other users, but there are exceptions. I found 2 instances of positive comments made by them, and both were compliments towards Spikestuff, either bringing attention to the high quality of his encode or just thanking him for his work: Link to comment Image Link to comment Image Here they commented in an encode by Rolanmen1 that Spikestuff's encode is better. This is interesting because it happened outside of TASVideos channel: Link to video Image SpookDook and AspireDesire have participated in a few discussions in Youtube comments. The following is a comment by SpookDook left on a video of a TAS with some controversy surrounding it: Image Comments (they are all in response to this comment I linked) Spikestuff posted about the same thing in the discussion thread for the movie. This was not the only time these accounts attacked The8bitbeast. Here is another instance, and it adds one more account, SupeSpee, who hadn't appeared so far and was also created on January 24th, 2017: SupeSpee Image Link to comments Spikestuff made a negative comment in the discussion thread of that video. Additionally, this SpookDook account has agreed with Spikestuff on videos outside of TASVideosChannel: Image Comments This account even has a Crash Warped TAS on its channel, a game Spikestuff is notably interested in. Here, yet another instance of one of the accounts, AspireDesire, defending Spikestuff on discussions: Image Comment I also have some to say regarding the pictures presented in the accounts. The book recently added as 'I have severe pains thanks to Books' profile picture is one of the first images that appear when you google 'Book', as well as the library in its cover picture. The fox in SpookDook's cover picture is one of the first images that appear when you google 'Fox'. However, there's something pretty interesing about the fox in SpookDook's avatar. It's very hard to find it with googling, and it turns out it's from a little known cartoon, StupidFox. StupidFox blog This cartoon posts on DeviantArt, and if you enter the blog and click in the link it provides, you get linked to EyChanChan's profile on DeviantArt, which is the author of this cartoon. It happens that Spikestuff and Eychanchan are friends on DeviantArt. You can check this on Spikestuff friends list. Image of Spikestuff friend list Spikestuff profile on DeviantArt Spikestuff has also commented on at least 2 of Eychanchan posts, which were about the StupidFox cartoon, so this is yet another way to link Spikestuff to the sockpuppets: Image of the comments Link 1 Link 2 Spikestuff very often complains about Youtube channels that steal TASVideos content. He tweets about this issue all the time, and his fixed tweet is an (fair) attack to WebNations. These accounts have complained about such channels as well. Image Link to video They have also mocked a channel, when it uploaded a 30 fps game to 60 fps: Image Link to videos 1 2 Finally, Spikestuff made a rather interesting series of tweets on January 24th, 2017, the day when the accounts were created: In this tweet, Spikestuff refers to an attack on a video with multiple accounts. He was mocking the author of the video in previous tweets. Image Here, he refers to his other accounts: ''*Going through the other accounts.*''. The double * makes it obvious was saying he used other accounts to massively dislike that video. Image He made other tweets mocking the author of the video he was mass disliking. In the last one I linked, he shows a print of one of the sockpuppets, AspireDesire, helping him in the discussion. There are more instances of Spikestuff printing on Twitter comments from these Sockpuppets, always endorsing their content. Image of tweets Most of what I'm showing here is backup-ed on https://archive.org, in case anything gets deleted. Some tweets and Youtube comments aren't backuped because I didn't get the site to load, but more people have seen them and can attest they are real. Regarding the attacks to HappyLee, it should also be mentioned that Spikestuff was responsible for a mass upload of 50+ videos to TVC in less than half an hour, immediately after the SMB video was uploaded. Not only this lost the channel almost a thousand subscribers (from the set of subscribers that actually look their notifications, so it's even worse than it sounds), but it should be considered that it might have been possibly done purposely to hurt SMB's views. Since the interval between each upload was very short (about one minute), they were clearly already uploaded, but unlisted (perhaps for a long time), which suggests they were waiting for SMB to be published. I believe the community and specially the attacked users deserve, at least, an explanation from Spikestuff on why in the world there are so many connections between him and these sockpuppets - and if was it just a coincidence that he tweeted about using multiple accounts on January 24th, 2017. If the community agrees with my opinion that there is enough evidence to conclude a staff member is involved with attacks by fake accounts on TVC, I'd like to question what standard of behavior we are suppose to expect form the staff.
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Bruno quickly came in contact with me while in the process of gathering this information. It is very evident to me that at the very least the accounts are connected to each other. It is my opinion that if a staff member has been going out of their way to harass members, than we have failed as a team, and I would like to deeply apologize to the community for this.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
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What a mess. In my opinion, as much as Spikestuff is kind of rude and has an opinion on everything (that's a compliment) , I don't think he would do something like that. I agree there are a lot of connections between him and the other accounts, but why would he tweet about it? If he has done anything like that he wouldn't try to get the attention these tweets do. Another thing worth noting is the language used in most of these comments is a bit more cruel than Spikestuff's. - I'm not defending anybody nor I am pointing fingers, but it's just what I noticed.
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My Goodness. Thank you for bringing all of this information to everyone's attention BrunoVisnadi. Bringing this kind of shadowy nonsense into the spotlight will hopefully bring a close to it.
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Woops wrote:
Another thing worth noting is the language used in most of these comments is a bit more cruel than Spikestuff
I think it’s important to note that when you are anonymous, you can pretty much say any nasty thing you want without anyone knowing who is saying it. While they may have the decency to not say such nasty things on their main account, they pretty much have the freedom to do so when they’re under the radar.
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Let's also just quickly go down the line of sites, about my activity. Deviantart. I'm not even active on the site, the last thing I did on that site was back in 2015. So that one's quite a stretch. The tweet mocking is when I want to easily join in on a conversation that I've missed on, it's not the only ones I make. By extension this comment was noticing how the likes/dislikes are coming in something I haven't seen in some time. Spikestuff wasn't the only one that was involved on that date of TVC. Crash: Warped was what you're just going to end up writing as a "coincidence" cause that's what it is. My method of looking at Crash/Spyro/Tekken TASes is every week/fortnight. I search in YouTube and go "by week" and conveniently that TAS showed up. I want to see new progress (and sometimes I hit clone TVC accounts). The8bitbeast and I are on normal terms to one another. --- Seeing as you also like to provide images well. Here's an entire album dedicated to BrunoVisnadi and everything he directed to me from the start of this entire thing. I've done nothing but exist in both October and now and apparently existing is a more than enough reason for him to continue to pursue in this behaviour. I'll leave the site if you want to go to the extreme. But I honestly got nothing on this as I've done nothing in the involvement department about the YouTube part. I'm not going to continue repeating myself. I'll say "I did it" or "X did it" to shut you up, but then that'd be a lie coming out from me when I don't know about this. --- Edit: Only doing this one as a note.
BrunoVisnadi wrote:
Yeah? What about this comment where you literally put between 2 asterisks "Going through the other accounts"? You literally admitted you were using multiple accounts the DAY the sockpuppets were created. Will you argue it was a coincidence?
This one is being misinterpreted that's kinda what I deserve for not chain tweeting this. It was in referral to the person who switched accounts which lead to this happening. This is a whole other can of worms. Just so you know.
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I just wanted to say that they’re all clearly Spikestuff sockpuppets, and no sockpuppet-user in my life has ever admitted to it to start with (some even holding their “secret” to the grave). So yeah sad to see Spikestuff won’t admit it but it’s not like I thought he would.
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Deviantart. I'm not even active on the site, the last thing I did on that site was back in 2015. So that one's quite a stretch.
It doesn't mater when you made the comments. StupidFox deviantart account is the place SpookDook took his avatar from. And you happened to comment there in the past (and it's a NICHE cartoon).
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By extension this comment was noticing how the likes/dislikes are coming in something
Yeah? What about this comment where you literally put between 2 asterisks "Going through the other accounts"? You literally admitted you were using multiple accounts the DAY the sockpuppets were created. Will you argue it was a coincidence? Regarding your prints - again, I don't want to reveal who 'I Like Pie' is and I don't see how that's relevant. At the time I genuinely didn't believe you were connected to these accounts, and I hadn't made any accusations, though you abruptly stopped replying to me the second I brought the accounts up.
Spikestuff wrote:
Disrespect a person that has just stated the opposite of what you believe in and outright calling them a "fake".
Spike, you are unbelievable! You are still insisting that SpookDook is not a 'fake' considering it was also created in 02/24/17 and it attacked coordinately with the other accounts. The fact you still want to defend this account is legit is pretty much an admission of guilt.
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This kind of writing doesn't match the 5 "fakes" he's on about mainly for the fact that it's more than one sentence.
That's not entirely true, because AspireDesire and SpookDook also use many sentences. But this account might not be a sockpuppet as it was created back in 2012, while all the others were created in Jan 24 2017.
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Do I have anything to write to someone who gives off false accusations, won't end a witch hunt and harass a YouTuber that unfortunately got caught in the crossfire?
I hadn't accused you of ANYTHING until this point. All I did was to ask why you uploaded 50 videos at once. Here's the complete chat of those days: https://imgur.com/a/FWtrNVK I profoundly apologize to EzGames69 for the the mention to him in the above image. I just said his name as an example because he was one of the users who were attacking HappyLee the most at the time.
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Fine, I did it.
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I've been digging in some groups for previous references to these sockpuppets and I found one interesting conversation that happened in March 2017, shortly after the accounts were created. https://imgur.com/a/oTSuohg That is, The8bitbeast also believed at the time that the account was from Spike, and he had this additional information: his video was also massively disliked, and the dislikes were from Australia. I don't need to say, but it makes it even more obvious.
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I'd like to remind some people about this post that was made 5 years ago. http://tasvideos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=377193#377193 EDIT : By the way, I've not read the claims, nor analysed them. So I don't have a position about this harassement thing specifically.
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Oh, something very interesting I absolutely forgot to mention. This conversation is response to AspireDesire's comment: https://i.imgur.com/RpwdtjF.png Some people realized that there was something wrong about those accounts, and about some videos getting exactly 11 dislikes. Spikestuff himself replied: "Uh... Uber they're not bots. I've seen them before. Shitposters maybe?" Again, Spike has showed prints of these accounts on Twitter many times. He clearly knows something about their past behavior, despite saying "I don't know about this". When I started this thread I was expecting Spikestuff to tell a really good story, that could potentially change my mind. Something in the lines of "Oh, I know these accounts for a while and I find their behavior extremely strange. I'm sure it's someone trying to frame me". Or maybe "I have the habit of sharing with Discord friends every single TASVideos drama, so it looks like one of them has been using these accounts without my knowledge". There would be, of course, a huge amount of connections he would need to explain, those discussions outside of TVC, etc, but I'd open to such explanation. However, he didn't try to give any explanation at all. Instead, he is still insisting the accounts are legit, which is utterly absurd! And now we also know the dislikes that accompanied the comments are, indeed, from Australia. Unfortunately, this makes me even more secure that either Spikestuff controls these accounts or a very close Australian friend does and attacks wherever Spikestuff links him to. I'd like to, but I don't see a reasonable explanation for the facts outside of these 2 scenarios.
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erm... didn't spike already admit to this a few posts up?
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noahkiq wrote:
erm... didn't spike already admit to this a few posts up?
Spikestuff wrote:
I'm not going to continue repeating myself. I'll say "I did it" or "X did it" to shut you up, but then that'd be a lie coming out from me when I don't know about this.
Spikestuff wrote:
Fine, I did it.
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I think whoever's behind this has either Split Personality or tremendous hate in his heart. It's hard to imagine that someone from our community would do such a thing. Although I have more to say, but I should probably stay away from this matter due to some reasons. It takes courage to uncover the facts and proof, and it takes wisdom for the whole community to handle it the right way so that such terrible thing won't happen again.
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Personally, I feel that the SMB warpless deserves a re-upload on TVC among others TASes published on the incident period (maybe 7 days or the whole month), so that they receive the audience they really deserved This happened on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIP6cE3n37M If you check SupeSpee (I don't have time to re-check to entire post if was mentioned) the account was created on 2/24/17 too, and was insulting a viewer that never will come back, Idk if there is much to say at this point.
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I won't make any accusations, but the person behind this clearly thinks simply changing names is enough to mask their identity, but the common syntax and grammar patterns you find in all these comments make a pretty damning piece of evidence. This person is also really bad at deflecting arguments and trying all too often to toss out red herrings. Regardless of who did what, it sure is time for you all to talk about Spikestuff. Memory posted an apology above, but that doesn't really cut it. Tolerating toxic behavior just because a person does a lot of good work reflects poorly on any community. When a guy says he hates everyone in his signature, there's clearly a problem. If it's a joke, it's not a funny one. It's just disrespectful. Maybe you can take it from an asshole (me) that putting community before project is always better. Better community leads to bigger community leads to better project. I'd also like to take a moment to commend HappyLee both for changing his signature and opting out of this conversation that he's strongly invested in.
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I think it is about time to start from the beginning and describe what these accounts actually are. A couple years back a user named Unknown394 abused sockpuppets in an attempt to uprate their own submission. For most people the story ended there, however it in fact continued. The user also had multiple youtube channels which he pretended were unique people. On some of these channels, he stole other people's TAS content without permission. This is what Spike's tweets were referring to. Multiple legitimate users called him out on it, BUT there were also a series of accounts that were created at these dates for seemingly the sole purpose of calling Unknown out on this behavior. All but one was created on the same date: January 24th. These accounts later seemed to follow Spike wherever he went, agreeing with him at key junctures and attacking users he was known to have problems with at the time. As messages from The8BitBeast indicated prior, he received a large number of dislikes from Australia but unfortunately one can set one's country of origin to whatever one pleases, so this is not a solid indicator. However I still find it very hard to believe Spikestuff is not involved considering the ties between him and the exact behaviors of the accounts. Now while I cannot prove that Spikestuff is definitively behind the accounts, what I can prove is that Spikestuff talks way too much about stuff he shouldn't. Spikestuff has an incredibly bad habit of leaking private or staff information. In fact he had leaked from Staff areas prior to me becoming staff in order to bash other staff members that he disliked or disagreed with https://i.imgur.com/yEgAbVG.png Multiple completely uninvolved users have reported to me Spikestuff talking to them about Bruno and his previous comments to Spike, something I would hope would be kept private and between staff. One of these users was told as recently as the 17th of this year. Spikestuff has also previously mentioned an invite-only Pacman discord where he and others made fun of the events surrounding #6128: itsPersonnal's GC SpongeBob SquarePants: Battle for Bikini Bottom "In-Game Codes" in 02:06.08. Now while this may not seem directly related to the comments at first glance, the fact is that Spikestuff talks about TASVideos drama to so many people and makes a spectacle of it. Because he does this, it's easily possible for somebody else to have jumped in on whatever he was making fun of at the time and created one of the comments previously listed. At the very least I cannot see Spike as a team player, as trustworthy, as an acceptable representative of TASVideos, and as someone I would want to work with at this time.
[16:36:31] <Mothrayas> I have to say this argument about robot drug usage is a lot more fun than whatever else we have been doing in the past two+ hours
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Memory wrote:
Now while this may not seem directly related to the comments at first glance, the fact is that Spikestuff talks about TASVideos drama to so many people and makes a spectacle of it. Because he does this, it's easily possible for somebody else to have jumped in on whatever he was making fun of at the time and created one of the comments previously listed.
I really tried to keep away from this stuff, but unfortunately this is just silly. So you're suggesting that, two years ago, someone who does not like Spikestuff created lots of sockpuppet accounts with the intention of following him everywhere agreeing with everything that he says and attacking people he doesn't like with the intention of, two years later, getting him falsely accused of creating sockpuppets so that he could be demoted? Seriously? Also, by the way, in the thread of the movie that sparked all this, I suggested that making votes in submission threads non-anonymous would help identify abuse, which was answered by complaining about me and grue'ing the posts. Interestingly, we're now discussing the possibility of YouTube comments coming from fake accounts exactly because youtube comments are not anonymous! I understand that you might be upset about confidential information leaking, but the problems discussed in the OP are far worse, and mentioning minor leaks only dilutes the issue. I am sorry, but I don't feel the rest of the staff are handling this matter properly. By the way, if Bruno contacted you, why are we seeing this posted in the public forums before something was concluded internally anyway? It seems to me you are being far too conivent and damaging the credibility of the site.
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So you're suggesting that, two years ago, someone who does not like Spikestuff created lots of sockpuppet accounts with the intention of following him everywhere agreeing with everything that he says and attacking people he doesn't like with the intention of, two years later, getting him falsely accused of creating sockpuppets so that he could be demoted? Seriously?
I don't think this is exactly what Memory suggested, though this possibility that it's someone trying to purposely frame/incriminate Spikestuff was brought up a few times. I agree this possibility is ridiculous given it's been 2 years the accounts are out there, they comment on places that are almost impossible to find, Spike constantly prints their comments on Twitter, etc. It's a much more reasonable possibility that it's a friend of Spike controlling the accounts and actually willing to defend him in discussions. I believe this is even a stronger possibility than Spike himself controlling the accounts, because he definitely has this behavior of sharing with others the discussions he participates in. He even used to do it with me, before he suddenly stopped talking to me after the day I mentioned the existence of the sockpuppets.
p4wn3r wrote:
By the way, if Bruno contacted you, why are we seeing this posted in the public forums before something was concluded internally anyway? It seems to me you are being far too conniving and damaging the credibility of the site.
I've been trying for 7 months to conclude this internally, with no success. It might have been a mistake of mine, but I thought making this public was the right and best thing to do. I assure you this wasn't due to any unprofessionalism by Memory, and she was not the only staff member I talked to. Everything was discussed internally a lot before I made this post, and as I'm not staff, I don't have access to such discussions. By the way, I don't like the course this thread took. It was meant to be specifically about the sockpuppets incident and their connection to Spikestuff. I was expecting to see Spikestuff side of the history and his explanations of the facts. Unfortunately, not only that didn't happen but this became a "Reasons why I don't like Spikestuff" thread. I don't know if the raised points are valid or not, but it's sad to see people bringing up completely unrelated events or even things from 5 years ago. The only reason I brought up the mass upload is because it was a possible attack made by Spikestuff to a video that was also attacked by the sockpuppets, so it serves as some secondary evidence. I genuinely feel bad for Spikestuff because no one will look good if you put together every bad thing they've ever done in a single thread. Instead, please, let's solve one thing at the time, and the purpose of this thread is to solve the issue regarding the sockpuppets. If you thing good or bad of Spikestuf for your own personal, unrelated reasons, it's more appropriate to discuss them in a different thread or privately (or to not discuss them at all, if they aren't relevant enough).
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All these informations are so scattered. I would like to help in solving the situation but as I see it's all comes down to this: - We need all information from Spikestuff's side - Categorize the relevant other side from OP at some degree - Some official statements on most of these pieces.
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Memory wrote:
he received a large number of dislikes from Australia but unfortunately one can set one's country of origin to whatever one pleases, so this is not a solid indicator.
YouTube uses your computer IP address to determine your physical location/country. It doesn't care about what country you set your channel to. Thus, I believe it is another strong indicator of the person behind these accounts.
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It's surreal to finally find the energy to catch up with these two threads and see this. Re: The person two years ago - do we know specifically which accounts Unknown394 was controlling on Youtube? I have zero interest in an exhaustive list - the followup is "Is it the same account as any of the ones presently in question?" I copied off the comments from the original post by Bruno into a YAML file. I'm rather tired of this at this point (Discord quickly became a mess when the topic first landed), but it may be useful if you want them for analysis. (The file itself is a couple days old, is how sick of this I am.) https://pastebin.com/ujBECzNW I have no guarantees that I will or won't return to this analysis. Don't bother me about it. I'm very much waiting to see what happens in this and the connected events and have returned to my own work at this time.
Post subject: Re: Is that what you wanted to read?
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Spikestuff wrote:
Fine, I did it.
Honest or facetious, I don't think either behavior is appropriate for a member of the site staff. Think about the wider community you are representing. A job comes with some responsibilities.
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Spikestuff, I just want to know something. What were you trying to gain from this? Disapproving remarks from the community and staff? Removal from staff? Or getting banned from TASvideos entirely. You should consider yourself lucky that it's only the first one. I hope you realize how serious this matter is. If you know anything we don't tell us. At the very least you may be able to regain some of the trust and dignity you have lost.