So, finally something that can be useful happened.
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Again, credits to ScroogeD for the warp glitch, and Dragonfangs for figuring out pipe bugs worked for this. I just added some finishing touches.
This clip here would most likely negate all the time lost getting the Ice Beam early for 100%.
So is this just unmorphing while killing the enemy you're on with bombs? Maybe the game tries to figure out what you're standing on and dereferences a dead enemy, getting zeros for your height?
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We're not entirely sure on the exact specifics, but the basic gist is, that you're on top of two enemies at once, and you kill them on the same frame. This causes the game to put you on the vertical position,where the respawnable enemy spawns... in this case, that vertical position is right where the speed booster blocks are, which allows you to clip through.
It's a little more finicky in practice. For example, for this RTA method, killing the red orb, and collecting the drop, if there is a drop, is _required_. The only thing this does, is open up a slot in the memory, since an enemy was killed, which causes the second respawnable bug here to be placed in that open memory slot instead of the default one. That memory slot has a higher priority than that of the first pipe bug, and this influences the glitch in a useful manner somehow, among other things giving the second bug a higher freeze priority.
So, standing on two dudes, blowing stuff up, object priority, clippity clip. There, I'm sure this helped :P
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My best guess is that if you're standing on multiple enemies and one of them dies your vertical position is forced to be on top of the remaining one(s). Except in this case, the "remaining" enemy is also dead and has already set its position to its new spawn point in preparation.
Pipe bugs are a bit special since this immediate respawn only happens for the first bug. This is likely why we have to shuffle the enemy slots around a bit for this to work, to make sure this evaluation happens in the correct order and we're forced to the position of the first bug specifically.
Even the best player is limited by the speed of his fingers, or his mind's ability to control them. But what happens when speed is not a factor, when theory becomes reality?
All of this seems to make sense, yeah. To add a little bit to what Fangs said, you get transported to the spawn location of the enemy you landed on the frame it died. Object priority has no direct relation to this, it's just A LOT easier to land on a lower-priority enemy than a higher priority one. It is possible to land on the higher priority one as well, but for this to work you have to time your movement to frame perfection... not an issue for any TAS, sure.
For the RTA setup, both enemies are in perfect vertical alignment. I guess in this case, it all does boil down to object priority, and the inner workings of the game, when rendering the next frame: the higher priority enemy dies first, and you land on the lower-priority one. And thus, that's why the red orb has to be killed to clear the slot, so the first pipe bug has a lower priority (since that's the only pipe bug that immediately spawns).
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Also, both enemies do not necessarily have to die, only the one you land on has to.
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Well the current route doesn't have Ice Beam in Ridley, so we'd need to grab that earlier in order to do the clip. I'm still confident it will save time even with that though, but I'm not sure how much. I'll do a rough timing of it this weekend I think.
Even the best player is limited by the speed of his fingers, or his mind's ability to control them. But what happens when speed is not a factor, when theory becomes reality?
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So did some tests today and the time save seems to be around 6 seconds.
Even the best player is limited by the speed of his fingers, or his mind's ability to control them. But what happens when speed is not a factor, when theory becomes reality?
The other seemingly useful thing would be using the rinkas as a quick transport elevator after killing all the Metroids in the last Metroid room. Beyond that, I can't think of any other locations where this would be useful, unless memory corruption in some particular room turns out to be special somehow.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fS2EeBLfQ
Multi-game input TASes are nothing new, but didn't think it could work for Metroid games, until finding this. Would love to see a TAS of this Metroid Zero Mission + Fusion run.
Multi-game input TASes are nothing new, but didn't think it could work for Metroid games, until finding this. Would love to see a TAS of this Metroid Zero Mission + Fusion run.
Well, you could probably make it work for any two games really. I doubt anyone will attempt it for these two games though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6fS2EeBLfQ
Multi-game input TASes are nothing new, but didn't think it could work for Metroid games, until finding this. Would love to see a TAS of this Metroid Zero Mission + Fusion run.
ohey that's my video
It wouldn't work very well for fusion+zero mission, since they aren't straightforward level-based platformers like mario & megaman (i.e. not left-to-right). Also fusion is longer than zero mission and has a lot of extra text. This video was just something for-fun I did, but it wouldn't really be worth doing an actual TAS of and wouldn't look that impressive.
ohey that's my video
It wouldn't work very well for fusion+zero mission, since they aren't straightforward level-based platformers like mario & megaman (i.e. not left-to-right). Also fusion is longer than zero mission and has a lot of extra text. This video was just something for-fun I did, but it wouldn't really be worth doing an actual TAS of and wouldn't look that impressive.
Fusion and ZM have a left+right quirk which makes Samus move in the direction she's facing, which would make a TAS of it look more optimized compared to RTA than usual
Fusion and ZM have a left+right quirk which makes Samus move in the direction she's facing, which would make a TAS of it look more optimized compared to RTA than usual
That doesn't work for jumps though. Also, Fusion any% is longer than ZM 100%, plus it has a ton of dialogue, so the ZM run would get too far ahead.
ohey that's my video
It wouldn't work very well for fusion+zero mission, since they aren't straightforward level-based platformers like mario & megaman (i.e. not left-to-right). Also fusion is longer than zero mission and has a lot of extra text. This video was just something for-fun I did, but it wouldn't really be worth doing an actual TAS of and wouldn't look that impressive.
Fusion and ZM have a left+right quirk which makes Samus move in the direction she's facing, which would make a TAS of it look more optimized compared to RTA than usual
The problem is it wouldn't really be very impressive. Even TAS can't do much about getting around both games going in opposite directions about 1/3 of the time. Also, as biospark said, mzm 100% is shorter than fusion any%; you'd spend a lot of time just screwing around in one game for the other to catch up.
The video I put up was a for-fun challenge i did. It wouldn't really be impressive as a TAS-watch.
I find multi-game runs much more interesting when the characters are clearly doing the same thing in both games. In particular, it wouldn't be fun for me unless Samus moving left in one game meant she moved left in the other game (and the only way to "desync" the routes would be to catch her on terrain that only worked in one game).
The problem is it wouldn't really be very impressive. Even TAS can't do much about getting around both games going in opposite directions about 1/3 of the time.
Er, that's my point. Samus can go in opposite directions if she is facing opposite directions and left+right is held. Jumping is another problem, but the creative solutions to that are what TASes are for :)
If just walking in opposite directions was difficult, of course there would be little chance for a decent TAS
That Metroid stuff it cool. Looks like it should save time.
You should apply your creativity to fusion. I'm sure you could find some tricks if you tried.
