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Rolanmen1
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I did this run for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uRWfEYiGxo Mothrayas found the adress that stores the stage, thanks to him, i could force it to enter the intro stage using Zero (wich he isn't normaly able to get in), as for the run, it is sub-optimal, because i didn't feel like optimizing Yammark's position so i can SDC the first 2 and the last balls. As for the giga attack, i used it and stopped movie replay after it.
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That's pretty neat. I wonder is there's a similar process for using X in X7's intro stage. (Of course, X6 is a PS1 game and X7 is a PS2 game, so I don't expect to see this anytime soon.)
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Working on an X6 100% TAS. WIP. EDIT: I just found out improvements in some of the previous stages, i will make the encode when i finish fixing it.
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New WIP.
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Rolanmen1 wrote:
I did this run for fun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uRWfEYiGxo
that’s a nice idea, trying to think if it could have uses in AWDS…
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Encode: Link to video EDIT: Uploaded correct encode.
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Awesome video, Roland! The double-dash upgrade and that ultimate fire beam attack really make this run seem notable publication worthy.
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New WIP Encode: Link to video I wonder if it's possible to sub an hour.
Post subject: X6 Dashless Possibility
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I noticed something. X6 might actually be doable without dashing. Doing a standard 8-boss run requires Zero, however since there are several places where dashing or double jumping is required. The weirdest, in my own opinion, is the first obstacle of Shield Sheldon's level. There's a spike pit that's barely impassable. What's weirder however is almost all places to get Zero are impossible to get to without dashing. Shield Sheldon requires the dash for that first bed of spikes Commander Yammarks Nightmare Zone requires dashing to get past the pits Rainy Turtaloid requires a dash to get into the nightmare zone after getting hit Blaze Heatnix requires either the blade armour or Zero. If it can be done via walljump, it would require the dash. Metal Shark Prayer requires a dash to get the the area with the nightmare zone, a dash to get it, parts to make the jump, and a weapon to set it all up. Blizzard Wolfang requires a dash to get to the nightmare zone, and Blaze Heatnix's nightmare effect. That leaves Infinity Majinion and Ground Scharvich. I thought it was only Infinity Majinion, but at the top of my head, I can't think of what it would be that requires dashing. Either way, compared to Infinity Majinion, it might as well be impossible. Biggest issue being the boss, since you can't dash, you can't Slash Cancel to victory. This makes X an actual possibility for levels. I'll experiment with this whole idea later, I haven't tested it through the entire game but atleast the first 9 levels should be possible.
Post subject: Re: X6 Dashless Possibility
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Nuy wrote:
I noticed something. X6 might actually be doable without dashing. Doing a standard 8-boss run requires Zero, however since there are several places where dashing or double jumping is required. The weirdest, in my own opinion, is the first obstacle of Shield Sheldon's level. There's a spike pit that's barely impassable. What's weirder however is almost all places to get Zero are impossible to get to without dashing. Shield Sheldon requires the dash for that first bed of spikes Commander Yammarks Nightmare Zone requires dashing to get past the pits Rainy Turtaloid requires a dash to get into the nightmare zone after getting hit Blaze Heatnix requires either the blade armour or Zero. If it can be done via walljump, it would require the dash. Metal Shark Prayer requires a dash to get the the area with the nightmare zone, a dash to get it, parts to make the jump, and a weapon to set it all up. Blizzard Wolfang requires a dash to get to the nightmare zone, and Blaze Heatnix's nightmare effect. That leaves Infinity Majinion and Ground Scharvich. I thought it was only Infinity Majinion, but at the top of my head, I can't think of what it would be that requires dashing. Either way, compared to Infinity Majinion, it might as well be impossible. Biggest issue being the boss, since you can't dash, you can't Slash Cancel to victory. This makes X an actual possibility for levels. I'll experiment with this whole idea later, I haven't tested it through the entire game but atleast the first 9 levels should be possible.
This is how you beat a boss as fast as possible without dashing (doesn't apply to all cases). WIP Link to video
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Isn't it slightly faster to use crouch cancel rather than jump cancel? I tried doing that, and it seems to be about the same time, if not a tiny bit faster.
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Metal Shark Prayer(Player) may not be possible. I was doing the run in real-time and couldn't get through it without dashing. Not only that, but the crusher right before the ladder that leads to the split path might not be possible either, speedster might fix it but I doubt it. Also, Zero is required for Gate 1 for obvious reasons, and X is required for Gate 2. In gate 2, there's one hang-up in the second half, most of you probably know what I'm talking about. To get past it without dashing, abuse of the Magma Blade's physics is required and even then I believe you just barely make it. So instead of an 8-maverick run well just do the "fast as possible" standard. Blaze Heatnix is obviously required, and Infinity Majinion would be needed to make Blaze Heatnix's stage not 30 minutes long. Guard Shell and Yammar Option would be helpful, but I don't know if it's worth it. Edit: I've started the run. Wish me luck!
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Intro stage is done. Demonstration only, so it's pretty sloppy. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/521566769/Mega%20Man%20X6%20Nu%20-%20Dashless.pxm Is it worth it?
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Nuy wrote:
Intro stage is done. Demonstration only, so it's pretty sloppy. http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/521566769/Mega%20Man%20X6%20Nu%20-%20Dashless.pxm Is it worth it?
I know you know it's sub-optimal but i will tell what stuff can be better so you can work on it later. (2870) I think you can kill that robot by jumping in some distance so then you can climb that section. (4050) You shold've jumped it and get hit from the other side, that would push you to the right instead of the left. (5350) If you delay your jump a bit, you MAY get pushed by the second drill to on top of the platform instead of below it (not sure about this one). (6230) Don't jump toward doors. Bossfight: You should always Ground Slash when the boss is near the ground, otherwise, Air Slash. You could've slashed more faster by cancelling it with a jump. And of course, you need make sure the boss is near the eye so you can slash both of them at the same time when he has 9 HP. (the air slash would reduce it's HP to 8). High Max: Well, you know you have to manipulate him. Is it worth it? I don't know, this type of run would be too long for non-megaman fans. It would be liked by fans IMO, but not for the rest.
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Rolanmen1 wrote:
(2870) I think you can kill that robot by jumping in some distance so then you can climb that section. I actually couldn't find what you're talking about. (4050) You shold've jumped it and get hit from the other side, that would push you to the right instead of the left. I tried that, but I couldn't quite jump far enough over to get knocked back like that. I could try again though. (5350) If you delay your jump a bit, you MAY get pushed by the second drill to on top of the platform instead of below it (not sure about this one). I didn't bother trying with that section, so I took the lazy way out. Also, I get hit by the shots, not the drill I believe. (6230) Don't jump toward doors. For the first door, I can see why, since there's reploids there. Why not the others though?
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After some magic, I bring to you WIP1.5! http://dehacked.2y.net/microstorage.php/info/1057060344/X6D%20WIP1.5.pxm Saved 830 frames. The current route planed is... Yammark < Scaravich < Majinion 2nd < Majinion (Zero) X gains 400 souls from bosses, and 100 from Nightmares, which makes Gate 2 possible. (Thanks rolanmen1)
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Is this still the dashless WIP?
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dashless?Just do an X-only/zeroless run!it's faster,less arbitrary and i hope it doesn't end up being lame
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So, i finaly beated Nightmare Mother. So far saving 2102 frames (00:35.03 seconds). I have no idea when i will finish this TAS since im not that much interested tbh. But i will finish it.......someday.
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I made this comparison video for fun, it compares X with Blade Armor vs Zero on a of the second area of magma area, going for 100%. For more info look at the description. Link to video
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High Max Defeated. Saved 480 frames. Total of 2582.
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Gate Defeated! Saving 3124 frames. This TAS will be submitted during this month.
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Gate Defeated! Saving 3124 frames. This TAS will be submitted during this month.
Good news for me!
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I'm so eager to see the full TAS! :D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kytSXSCktDo A MMX6 speedrunner told me about it. You use the Blizzard Wolfang's Weapon like the vid, and dash in midair so you can get under it. It will stun you, and give you invincibility. As soon as that happens, you dash through the Totems, totally skipping it. By the way, sorry about the sloppy playing on the video. I was so sleepy at that moment. x.x
So it doesn't get lost.
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