This topic is for the purpose of discussing #4405: MegYesDKNo's SNES Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest "51%" in 1:41:17.01

wut.

I'm confused. Is this a hack, or is this the wrong title for "Donkey Kong Country 2"?

I'm confused. Is this a hack, or is this the wrong title for "Donkey Kong Country 2"?

"Super Donkey Kong 2: Dixie & Diddy" is the transliteration of Donkey Kong Country 2's Japanese title.

And also, one of the levels in Krazy Kremland had a few trys untill I beat the world.

Haha, okay. Once again, this isn't a TAS. This is a very lazy speedrun with a couple savestates every now and then. It's over 20 minutes slower than the 102% TAS. If you're aware of other TASes of this game, perhaps you could... Oh, I don't know, learn from them?

"51%"? Wherever you look at it, it just seems like you choose an arbitrary number so you could get the record.

We can be nicer than this. MegYesDKNo: I'm glad to see you enjoy Donkey Kong Country 2. However, when you submit a movie to a site that maintains speed records, you need to do a little research to see what the records are. There are currently published movies which are much faster and more precise than your run. Don't be discouraged though; the first run is usually not good enough yet. We have discussion forums for learning more about the game, submitting Works-In-Progress, and improving yourself. There's a lot to learn about making TAS movies!

You know, I like to think that "no one gets it right the first time". But in your case, you got it very... very... wrong...

Obvious no. That said while we're on the subject of the game, I did want to point this out to any TASer who wanted to take a crack at the game again for an any% category: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEC-T9wCvEY This saves 55 seconds in RTA over previous routes, including the current TAS which is pretty massive. It would be great to see another TASer who's worth their salt to take another look at the game, as the realtime community feels the game still holds a lot more secrets than this for both RTA and TAS :)[/video]

But in your case, you got it very... very... wrong...

...By more than an hour...

Why not 69%?

"Anyways, this is going to be the best TAS ever!" I'm giving you the best yes vote ever!

My inner voice told me to vote Yes out of pure sympathy.

I didn't watch it yet, so I can't vote, but this is interesting;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEC-T9wCvEY This saves 55 seconds in RTA over previous routes, including the current TAS

Nice find. Thank you, Garrison for sharing this new wrong warp glitch.

Very entertaining description text 10/10 would read again. Yes vote.

We can be nicer than this.

Can we? Really? I don't know, but I sense something strange coming from this submission. I stopped watching at three minutes or so, but it's enough to vote No on this one. I just don't get why people pay attention to this kind of submission, when there are lots of legit runs which have almost no replies...

Dooty: You have good points. I haven't actually watched this run or voted on it. I didn't say this was a good run. However, I like to think that we should give new runners the benefit of the doubt, like they didn't understand the site but were eager to try and make movies. If they actually cause problems in the future, there are administrative ways to deal with that. As for why people pay attention, it's not fair that this gets so much attention, but I think I know two reasons why. 1) This is a really popular game, so people are more likely to know what to expect. 2) It's more obvious what the level of the quality is, so it takes less effort to make a comment. I'm not saying these are good reasons, but those seem plausible to me.

Thank you, mklip2001. I didn't mean to be rude or anything like that, but the the level of silliness of his run is simply too high. It's hard to believe he is a newbie playing the game, rather, it looks like someone who knows pretty well what he's doing. I might well be completely wrong, in which case I apologise, MegYesDKNo.

I just don't get why people pay attention to this kind of submission, when there are lots of legit runs which have almost no replies...

It's because trolls will automatically gain more attention than people doing solid but uninteresting runs of games no-one knows much about. "You sure did play that game really fast I guess" isn't really a post that feels good to make, but sometimes that's all you can really say after watching a run. And sure, it is an assumption that this person is a troll rather than just a newbie... but I'm assuming that a person who joined two days ago, was online for barely over a minute, made 0 posts, and submitted "the best TAS ever" in the "51%" category is a troll rather than someone who's just legitimately confused. I think that assuming this is all part of some elaborate and obscure joke is both the more interesting option as well as the more positive one. If MegYesDKNo really is just new to TASing, I recommend he take some time to do some more research before launching into any future projects. Sure, it takes 30 times the work to spend a month making something good than to throw something together in a day... but the end result is more than 30 times more satisfying. If you're merely uninformed about what this site is about, I recommend reading the FAQ, welcome page, submission rules and guidelines to get a handle on why people are reacting poorly to your submission. If he is a troll, on the other had, I still recommend putting some more effort into it. More people would be able to subject themselves to your creation if you had included an encode on youtube or a similar site. Most rerecording emulators will export a video file, and it doesn't take much work to learn how to produce a passable encode with something like virtualdub. Alternatively, a little more work can add additional layers to the joke, such as uploading your two-hour encode in segments out of order, or recording it by filming your monitor with a hand camera as your emulator plays back the TAS.

uninteresting runs of games no-one knows much about.

Yeah, sure, but we won't have new Mario, Zelda or Metroid runs so often. Also, a "Yes, your run's quite good" sometimes is all a TASer ask for, as it shows that people is supporting his effort.

a person who joined two days ago, was online for barely over a minute

Oh, I see. Lots of sites require the user to have some kind of "fidelity" to the comunity before one can download, or upload something to the site. Isn't it time to adopt something similar here? For example, you must have that amount of posts before you're able to submit a movie, or you must vote in a certain number of runs. I know a troll can also post and vote, if his main objective is "trolling", but it may discourage some of them.

or recording it by filming your monitor with a hand camera as your emulator plays back the TAS.

:)

a person who joined two days ago, was online for barely over a minute

Oh, I see. Lots of sites require the user to have some kind of "fidelity" to the comunity before one can download, or upload something to the site. Isn't it time to adopt something similar here? For example, you must have that amount of posts before you're able to submit a movie, or you must vote in a certain number of runs. I know a troll can also post and vote, if his main objective is "trolling", but it may discourage some of them.

Disagree. Many of our best TASes are from Japanese TASers who are not interested in posting in the forum, but we appreciate their work very much regardless.

How about a 7 day delay before movie posting is allowed? That would probably stave off one-off trolls.

Honestly, troll submissions aren't THAT common. I hope nobody lost too much time watching the movie, realizing its quality, and then stopping. I don't see the need to make it harder for someone to submit. As long as they have some way of contacting them, that's what matters. If people want to submit poor submissions and get poor feedback on them, that's their choice.

Also, a "Yes, your run's quite good" sometimes is all a TASer ask for, as it shows that people is supporting his effort.

It's true, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not something that feels good to say. Forum conversation isn't really like actually talking with a room full of people. If someone says or presents something that people approve of, you'll get a lot of murmurs and gestures of appreciation from the crowd. In a forum, however, it takes a lot of effort to actually put those feelings into words... and generally if all you can say is "quite good" it feels awkward. That's often how I feel at least, because I feel like I should be saying more but can't find the words to do so.

Lots of sites require the user to have some kind of "fidelity" to the comunity before one can download, or upload something to the site. Isn't it time to adopt something similar here?

I have to agree with Patashu and mklip2001 here. We already have the review system in place so low-quality runs, whether due to trolling or otherwise, generally won't get published. A rejected submission isn't much different from a WIP and a forum post. Most sites that have such a restriction do so for space and bandwidth concerns. I suspect the site doesn't get so much throughput that the handful of megabytes that the input file and submission text take up could really be a huge problem unless somebody somehow rigged up a bot to spam enormous numbers of submissions.

The problem with fidelity systems or other anti-troll measures is they also block legitimate submissions from e.g. Japanese TASers from nicovideo or the like (who may not speak English, and thus are unlikely to post in the forums). Other anti-submission systems like delays also possibly just scare them off from submitting when they're allowed to. That's why we won't be introducing any such systems.