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Ninja going alone to save his love once again but ALONE!!ALONE?

Yes alone but there's robert haha

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  • abuses programming error
  • trick and glitch
-left+right
-left+down+up
-super ledge attack animation canceller (very useful)
  • manipulates luck(not much)
  • there are some situations which takes longer to complete without ninja clones.
  • Boss have been done as best as i can.
  • I slide in first stage to complete faster.it save 4 frame
  • take damage several time to save time.
  • doesn't use orange ninja clone(lonewolf)
Lets thanks scumtron for his amazing run that i copied so much from them.
Noxxa: Judging.
Noxxa: Rejecting due to poor viewer feedback. The run's goal fails to make the run sufficiently different to the published run, and doesn't seem to provide more entertainment either.

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Posted: 6/15/2012 11:14 AM
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TASVideoAgent
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This topic is for the purpose of discussing #3627: Marx's NES Ninja Gaiden II: The Dark Sword of Chaos "Lonewolf" in 10:00.46
Posted: 6/15/2012 11:18 AM
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Synahel
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http://tasvideos.org/1497S.html Official TAS is 9:14 long. Care to explain a bit more about your "old glitch and strategy"?
Posted: 6/15/2012 11:21 AM
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Rayas wrote:
http://tasvideos.org/1497S.html Official TAS is 9:14 long. Care to explain a bit more about your "old glitch and strategy"?
official run ain't lonewolf
Jungon wrote:
if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/15/2012 12:29 PM
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...and the difference being...?
Warp wrote:
omg lol this is so fake!!!1 the nes cant produce music like this!
Posted: 6/15/2012 12:32 PM
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Yep
Jungon wrote:
if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/15/2012 12:41 PM
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Cardboard wrote:
...and the difference being...?
No ghost ninja helpers.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/15/2012 12:43 PM
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Yeah right:-)
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if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/16/2012 1:36 AM
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I don't feel we need a new category if the only difference is that. =\
Posted: 6/16/2012 1:41 AM
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Hmm... interesting. You don't pick up any shadow clones, which should make the gameplay more like the other two NES Ninja Gaiden games. It sounds like a good console speedrunning challenge, but I'm not so sure I like it as a TAS. For one thing, in a "lonewolf" run, you have to take lots of damage, everywhere. It's no longer just for getting boosts to high platforms; you need to take damage just to avoid letting enemies slow you down, since your shadow clones aren't there to kill enemies behind you. This makes the run look sloppy, but it's unavoidable. The other big problem with a lonewolf run is the boss fights. You deal way less damage, so bosses go through more attack patterns. This was interesting to see for some of the final bosses (the first and last), but otherwise it wasn't as fun to watch. Furthermore, you saved all your ninja points for boss battles, so you couldn't use as many weapons during the stages, which makes those stages less interesting. I think this is fairly well-played. It's a low rerecord count compared to Scumtron's run, but I don't see any big mistakes. (I'd like to see more bosses slashed quickly by wobbling and slashing... it seems like that only works on some bosses though.) I'm not sure, though, that the goal is entertaining enough to be published alongside our current run. I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts on why you tried this run. What makes lone wolf interesting enough to be published alongside the current run?
Used to be a frequent submissions commenter. My new computer has had some issues running emulators, so I've been here more sporadically. Still haven't gotten around to actually TASing yet... I was going to improve Kid Dracula for GB. It seems I was beaten to it, though, with a recent awesome run by Hetfield90 and StarvinStruthers. (http://tasvideos.org/2928M.html.) Thanks to goofydylan8 for running Gargoyle's Quest 2 because I mentioned the game! (http://tasvideos.org/2001M.html) Thanks to feos and MESHUGGAH for taking up runs of Duck Tales 2 because of my old signature! Thanks also to Samsara for finishing a Treasure Master run. From the submission comments:
Shoutouts and thanks to mklip2001 for arguably being the nicest and most supportive person on the forums.
Posted: 6/16/2012 3:00 AM
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i'm not sure this is publishable. i'll vote meh, just to be safe.
So yea, how's it going? Currently TASing: Nothing
Posted: 6/16/2012 4:16 AM
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So lonewolf is not entertaining. Ok lets try sword only (with clones)
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if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/16/2012 5:09 AM
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Marx wrote:
So lonewolf is not entertaining. Ok lets try sword only (with clones)
Try "pacifist" with taking damage! The third game, it has the most amount of enemies. This would be real challenge and will require intresting decisions. Additional weapons are okay too.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/16/2012 5:33 AM
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Okay
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if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:44 AM
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Is using (J) rom okay.
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if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:46 AM
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If the only difference is a language, no. You need some solid reasons.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:51 AM
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Completely all different *enemy randomness *item pickups *damage per hit
Jungon wrote:
if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/16/2012 8:59 AM
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Oh, then go for it, if it gives reasonable advantages. Just make sure people would agree with your choise and won't fire up a holywar like here.
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
Posted: 6/16/2012 9:06 AM
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Ok sure. in some boss fight it is even faster than scumtron's publish run. I'll upload WIP and lets see if its ok
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if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/16/2012 4:18 PM
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This looks well done and is as entertaining as you'd expect a Ninja Gaiden run to be. Biggest differences seem to be on bosses which was sometimes interesting. Sorry, but I don't think it's significantly different enough to publish. Not familiar with the (J) version but that could be interesting.
Posted: 6/17/2012 4:15 AM
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TheAxeMan wrote:
This looks well done and is as entertaining as you'd expect a Ninja Gaiden run to be. Biggest differences seem to be on bosses which was sometimes interesting. Sorry, but I don't think it's significantly different enough to publish. Not familiar with the (J) version but that could be interesting.
someone should TAS the (j) version its lot easier and items are on good position to pick.
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if I was to have a Tool-Assisted real life ... I'd.. I could abuse death, just to see if it saves time ..
Posted: 6/18/2012 2:13 PM
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om, nom, nom... want more!