This topic is for the purpose of discussing #2872: Ilari's DOS Jazz Jackrabbit "Episode 1" in 04:43.79

This takes me back. I remember playing this at a friends house almost 15 years ago.

I watched the YouTube run prior to it being submitted and I am glad to see the game destroyed in such a fashion. Yes vote. For the record (and the benefit of our encoders): Ilari has encoded this (and his other runs) already and is looking for somewhere to upload them.

Wow, Ilari, you've been pulling off a lot of runs lately! Also, thanks for making and posting the encode on this one. It was certainly a good fast ride through the game, with good music to boot. Nice job!

This was enjoyable. Nice work!

Nice run, yes vote!

i like the run but give a weak yes vote because i think that a "full game" run should be obselting this one... entertaining as it is, it's still a demo....

I feel very nostalgic about this run. It's been like 14 years since I played this game. I can remember the eyeball enemies and the flying swords... It would be nice to see a full run, though it seems that I only played the first episode. I probably got a demo version back when I played the game. So I don't have any idea about the rest of the game. Was the slow emulation the reason why you only did episode 1? I always wondered why JPCrr is so much slower than DOSbox and why DOSbox can't be made a rerecording version. Yes vote.

One thing I don't understand is why the encode has a minute of nothing at the end.

Just so you can listen to the rest of the awesome music, I guess. (I think it's an old encoding protocol to let the ending music loop once.) Voted yes since this is one of the games I wanted to see done most (even if it's just episode 1) and Ilari did an amazing job. Anyone who wants to do the rest of the game should talk to him for tips.

I really like the run, but I don't know if I can vote yes for publication for a run that doesn't actually complete the game. I'll abstain from voting for now.

One thing I don't understand is why the encode has a minute of nothing at the end.

http://tasvideos.org/EncoderGuidelines.html

Duration of the movie The movie must begin from the moment the game boots up (or the movie-begin savestate is loaded), and it must include the full ending and preferably at least one full loop of the ending song.

It follows this to the letter, although it is admittedly not fun to watch, it is following the guidelines. Also adding my yes vote here.

Followed your progress in the thread, excellent run, loved it. Yes vote. Now would you please do the other episodes?

Ilari's encode: http://www.archive.org/download/SgruntsTasvideosBitBucket/jazzjackrabbit-tas-ilari.mp4

I too wonder if a Jazz submission should include the rest of the episodes as well... Still, this is the most entertaining DOS run so far.

A Yes vote, but like the others I badly want to see the rest of the episodes destroyed in this fashion.

I am (somewhat loudly) of the opinion that the Shareware release of a game is a completely different game than the Registered counterpart. This run completes the Shareware game which includes only Episode 1; the best location for the various Shareware versions is at the Classic DOS Games archive at http://www.classicdosgames.com/game/Jazz_Jackrabbit.html. The Registered version of the game includes all of the episodes and is still available for purchase as linked from the above site. Like others I'd love to see a run of the full registered game but if a full run was created I do not feel it should obsolete this run as they are separate games. I happen to enjoy the ending music and I have no problems with the encode ending where it does, although I also admit that it's not exactly very visually exciting. :) Great work on this run, Ilari - easy Yes vote from me. A.C. ******

I am (somewhat loudly) of the opinion that the Shareware release of a game is a completely different game than the Registered counterpart. (...) Like others I'd love to see a run of the full registered game but if a full run was created I do not feel it should obsolete this run as they are separate games.

I don't understand this argument. Even if they are different games, what does it matter? We don't want to duplicate content in published movies. It's not sensible to have a NES SMB2j run as well as a Super Mario All-Stars Lost Levels run -- even if you think they are separate games, the resultant movies are too similar. Similarly, we don't want to duplicate an entire episode of Jazz Jackrabbit in two separate movies, particularly if that episode is the entire content of one of those movies. Whether the games are the same or not doesn't enter into it -- the acid test is whether the resultant movies are too similar.

dwangoAC, could you elaborate on what makes the game different other than small menu differences?

We don't want to duplicate content in published movies. It's not sensible to have a NES SMB2j run as well as a Super Mario All-Stars Lost Levels run -- even if you think they are separate games, the resultant movies are too similar.

I'd argue that the differences between SMB2j and Super Mario All-Stars Lost Levels is exactly the kind of example I'm talking about - aesthetically I find them to be very different games that possibly have different frame rules if the comments from that thread can be believed. Certainly HappyLee sees them as different games.

Similarly, we don't want to duplicate an entire episode of Jazz Jackrabbit in two separate movies, particularly if that episode is the entire content of one of those movies. Whether the games are the same or not doesn't enter into it -- the acid test is whether the resultant movies are too similar.

This is where I have to eat my words and potentially apologize for being a nuisance, perhaps even contradicting myself. If the Registered version of the game included the exact episode included in the Shareware version and the gameplay was largely identical I really couldn't argue that they should be separate publications with a straight face. If the two versions contain different glitches, different frame rules, or anything else that prevents the input from the Shareware version from working on the Registered version I'd argue that they are different enough to potentially warrant a case-by-case review of the two to determine if it's worth it to have two versions. My main argument here is that frequently shareware games were released and widely distributed in one version while the registered version contained subsequent fixes for various bugs. You could call me an inclusionist but I don't edit Wikipedia. :)

dwangoAC, could you elaborate on what makes the game different other than small menu differences?

Again, I'm going to have to eat my words here. You're right, Jazz Jackrabbit doesn't really have any significant differences between the two. Some shareware games do have substantial differences but.. well, this one isn't one of them when it comes right down to it. I'll go be quiet now... :) A.C. ******

This movie has been published. The posts before this message apply to the submission, and posts after this message apply to the published movie. ---- [1643] DOS Jazz Jackrabbit by Ilari in 04:43.79

Speaking of versions, is this 1.0, 1.1, or 1.3?

Ooh, I played this game quite a bit back in the day. Great to see a movie of it! :)

Speaking of versions, is this 1.0, 1.1, or 1.3?

I think it is v1.0 (VENDOR.DOC claims so, I haven't found version number from other places).

Excelent run. I have to say, I'm excited to see all of these classic DOS games (that I never knew anyone else ever actually played) showing up here. I can't wait for the next!