"being silly" is the most intuitive way of describing what a playaround is about, though for this movie the term "glitchfest" may also apply. Anycase, it's not up to me to decide, but I should ask you how you feel about it: do you have any preference?
For the rest, there is a movie rule that states that "Playarounds and freeruns must still beat the game". So please, would you like to provide a movie that doesn't completely hardlock the game, and beats the final boss?
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This tas does indeed beat the final boss, it just skips the credits and its what we do in 120%. I shall change the other tas
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I'll copy-paste what I've posted in the other submission:
"being silly" is the most intuitive way of describing what a playaround is about, though for this movie the term "glitchfest" may also apply. Anycase, it's not up to me to decide, but I should ask you how you feel about it: do you have any preference?
For the rest, there is a movie rule that states that "Playarounds and freeruns must still beat the game". So please, would you like to provide a movie that doesn't completely hardlock the game, and beats the final boss?
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100 egg is very similar to 70 star in Mario 64, where no BLJs are allowed. Before the new any% route we could just rush the last homeworld and use a massive helmet proxy to skip into the fight with no eggs needed. If you skip to the end of the any% tas for this game you'll see what I mean :D
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All right, I get that it's already known as "100 Egg". On the other hand, "No Sorceress Skip" doesn't make sense to me, because it's not like the boss fight itself can be skipped, but only the 100 eggs requirement.
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Its called 100 egg because the amount of eggs needed to open the final boss (sorceress's) door. We do collect 101, but nobody calls it that.
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I already watched the TAS but I'm gonna watch it again... I will give a proper feedback after that.
Meanwhile, I wanted to talk about the branch label. It looks cool! It's just like SM64 publications, where the label indicates the amount of stars collected (120, 70, 16, 1, 0, etc.) however... this submission doesn't collect 100 eggs, but actually 101! So I guess that it would make more sense for the label to reflect that?
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Indeed! We split the categories when the trick "Helmet proxy" was found. 100 Egg is still fun because its just a longer any% 😄
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Ah yes, 100 egg, the technically original any% but then we busted the game a new one.
Where glitches are still high, but still getting the necessary requirements to reach the Sorceress.
Grabbing this when the purple boy gets accepted.
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Hey guys, if this does get published i think a cool thumbnail would be one where spyros up high, maybe like gliding in twilight harbour or peak rat proxy in gnorc cove. Intro waifu request: Misato/android 18 🙏
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feos wrote:
there's only a single TAS publication and it's a freaking decade old.
I plan to TAS out a modern and exciting any% TAS with the help of some runners, so don't worry about that ;)
Aside from that, this convo has been really interesting to read. The reason I started running vortex was because of the glitches used, rather than running a category that needs collectables. This is the same reason I started speedrunning spyro 3 any% and spyro 2 any% and is what I look for in speedruns.
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Yeah the gnastys head was made earlier into development, they copied the toastys head instead of making a new one and the toasty one has no collision on it.
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wafflewizard1 wrote:
Since theres no way into gnastys loot (because its completely solid) theres no way to add this into the run.
Several years later, someone finds a method and the whole world will go into shambles.
ahem
Well that's good to know at the very least. They actually made that solid but made Gnasty Gnorc accessible (via non-legitimate means), lol.
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Since theres no way into gnastys loot (because its completely solid) theres no way to add this into the run. If the TAS wanted to go into loot it would have to be a 120% run :D
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I apologize to the authors, but someone needs to ask this question.
So for everyone else. In vortex there's a total of 24 levels that have to be entered, and 23 of those levels have a vortex.
In Spyro there's 24 levels that have a vortex and the only way to access that final vortex located in Gnasty's Loot (ignoring something, I'll get into a second which will be the query) is to obtain every gem, dragon and egg throughout your playthrough before entering it.
In Gnasty's World there's a total of 4 methods to enter Gnasty Gnorc early; Rat Proxy, Roll Tooth, A Non-Rolling Tooth Method and Behind the Dragon's Head (Coveless).
My question is, in a TAS sense would it make sense to go for Gnasty's Loot vortex to round out to what the authors described as "every end of level portal (vortex)" and is it possible to enter Gnasty's Loot early?
With the second part of my question I assume that Rat Proxy would have the best chance of verifying if entering that level early is possible.
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This is super relieving to hear! I cant wait for the judging to happen, I'm super excited to show more people this category and all its beauty. Thank you very much Thunder!!
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I understand that the infos that I'm about to bring were easy to miss due to technical reasons. However, since there has been a lot of work and expectations behind this submission, I would still not label it as a "meme category" or say that it should be an "April Fools joke". With that said, let's get to some clarifications:
It's true that the current movie rules page tells that the usage of in-game cheats "are only allowed to access harder difficulties and/or bonus content" and also that "You are not allowed to skip levels with passwords", however it must be noted that there are some more details that used to be there that where removed recently, not because they were intentionally abolished, but because they got accidentally lost while rewriting the rules text in order to make it easier to read. You can still still access the full text of the previous rules page version here: Wiki: MovieRules/Legacy.
Specifically, there are two parts of that page that I'd like everyone here to give some attention, see parts I've underlined:
No skipping to the end with a password
The point is to demonstrate how quickly a game could be beaten if the player had superhuman abilities; skipping major sections of it with a password defeats the purpose.
We allow playing unlockable content using in-game passwords
Using in-game codes[1] or passwords at the start of a game is allowed if it uses a built-in hard mode or if it makes cosmetic changes to the game, as long as parts of the game are not skipped.
Using in-game codes or passwords at the start of a game to unlock a special game mode, character, level sets, or otherwise play the game in some unusual way is allowed.
Any actually intended change will be included in this page: Wiki: MovieRules/History, and since there is no mention about changes for in-game cheats and passwords, it's fair to assume that spirit of the relative rules should be intended as still following their previous purpose. Specifically:
The purpose of the rule is forbidding to skip to the end, or otherwise major sections of the game; in this submission instead what is skipped is just the item requirements for unlocking each of the 4 bosses.
Using in-game cheats or passwords is allowed for "playing the game in some unusual way", which clearly refers to the chance of being accepted for Moons, if it results in enough movie differences than any%, 100%, and No Major Skips. This submission does in fact showcase completely different gameplay routes in every level, as in fact already noted by the author.
For these reasons, I see that this submission is perfectly worthy of being given a chance to be considered for publication, and even if it wasn't the case, it would still deserve to go through a fair judging process and leave room for the author and the community to discuss opinions and suggestions about the rules.
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Me and composer really appreciate it <3 Glad you enjoyed it and realized the purpose of the category.
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Watched this with my brother and a relative (Nick and Remy).
While the TAS starts off as go from point A to B and you start thinking about how much more exciting any% or 100% would be, the TAS later justifies its existence as the strategies required to go to the end fast become zanier, with my highlights being Haunted Towers and Lofty Castles. A good amount of laughs and nostalgia was had. Yes vote!
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Huh, I had no idea about that rule. That is a shame that it would classify this as a "meme" run and in all honesty the large community of people who run vortex would probably be offended! A fellow runner called Hummeldon made an awesome video about the category which might give you some insight into how intense this category is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Tjn9J0tcc
Nitrof does know of this TAS and I used a glitch he found with the sharp supercharges, though I am probably not interested in Spyro 1 any%. I still hope you enjoyed the TAS and the writeup, was super fun to make.
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Oh hey a Spyro TAS, using Vortex oh that's nice that's like the non Exit Lev--
Goal of this TAS: After using the unlock all homeworlds cheat code
Nevermind.
Honestly, I was kinda expecting to basically see a "no exit" variation of this TAS when it was submitted, until you mentioned the use of cheats... and unfortunately making this a meme category.
Meme category such as this goes against the cheat code rule this site has, and it actually makes it more appropriate as an April Fools submission where all the jokes come out.
Just to point out what I mean by "no exit" the Exit Level is used quite a bit to get out of levels quickly.
So going to end of level by taking the vortex instead of exiting out is what makes this miscellaneous category.
There's always improving the current publication that exists of Spyro which I know that Nitrofski dabbling with that so you might get some information from him if you two contact him.
Other than that, I'm interested to see where you two will actually take Spyro in a non-joke category as you do have the potential.
Also it's not me unless there was a bit of Spiking going on, on the input.
Light Spike of 17703 frames.
So going to end of level by taking the vortex instead of exiting out is what makes this miscellaneous category. There's always improving the current publication that exists of Spyro which I know that Nitrofski dabbling with that so you might get some information from him if you two contact him. Other than that, I'm interested to see where you two will actually take Spyro in a non-joke category as you do have the potential. Also it's not me unless there was a bit of Spiking going on, on the input. Light Spike of 17703 frames.