I watched all levels and it's easily one of the best TASes I've seen. I laughed out load at almost every move. Especially since there were so many, completely different strats used. But most impressive gotta be the rope swinging and damage boosts.
Good run, just incredible.
I mostly do/did other stuffs (rockin kat's @ DTC4, battletoads).
ok, now it's time for HL then :D
MESHUGGAH wrote:
quvu wrote:
lol, i almost feel offended getting linked to a tuturial, i'm not that noob. Most of that other stuff is for CS only anyway (wallrub, standup bh ect.)
And using cj start in HL would only be applicable to get better distance/pattern to an obstacle i think.
Both wallrub and standup works in HL. Everything which shown there works in HL too. Counter-Strike only modified the maximum player speed and maybe the sideway speeds. You can test it by putting AMXMOD and downloading any ljstats for CS, it will show the correct values for HL too (I tested it long time ago, but if it doesn't work, I can write a plugin for you). I submitted a demo on SDA which shows the ability to jumpbug (which I did without tool assisting), IIRC it showed the speed values.
At least wallstrafe as its called in HL have different angle than the cs-wallrub. The original wallstrafe was "removed" from counterstrike back in 1.3 or so.
And I must admit im not sure about the details of standups.
In CS you loose height after a few bhops? However, Im pretty sure that is not the case in HL.
MESHUGGAH wrote:
quvu wrote:
And in fact, I do surf in the pipes a bit, but the slope is not high enough, so surfing all way through would be slower. And I'm not sure if its even any slowdown in there.
It's hard to surf in 10aa (original, default value that both HL and CS uses by standard). But it's can be used for avoiding damage by surfing on even very small slopes to decrease the speed. Also it's faster to get maximum speed (if it's very long and you can move downward while surfing, therefore it's depends on the surface/part).
Yeah, thats what i meant with the slope being to low in height.
MESHUGGAH wrote:
quvu wrote:
Now to the interesting part, frame by frame strafing.
Of all the clips on youtube of this kind of stuff, 99% is done with 100airaccelerate.
I've tried this and its not very sensitive about the yawspeed. Compared to default 10airaccelerate, which is extremely sensitive.
I would need some kind of cl_yawspeed/units per second ratio to make this perfect.
Yes, but it's works on 10aa too. The main difference between 10aa and 100aa is that you have to be perfect, otherwise you lose speed if
1. moving the mouse in the wrong way (pressing A and mouse to right/pressing D and mouse to left)
2. moving too fast with the mouse
3. pressing forward longer than it required (you should immediatly stop W when you jumped)
4. ducking and strafing (will decrease dramatically)
I still didn't calculated the correct ratio, but I'm sure that it's depends on the actual speed. You can only do small strafes when you have small speed, but you can do "higher" strafes (moving the mouse much more to the left/right) if you have high speed. Therefore, you have to dinamically increase the "distance" of your mouse movements as the speed increases.
Yeah, the turnangle for each frame, for each speed speed differs a lot. that was kinda the point.
MESHUGGAH wrote:
quvu wrote:
Any ideas how to calculate this?
I already tried to calculate the HL's ratio of this, but it's ridiculous. The game does input polling many more times (more than 3 times) per frame, IIRC it polls mouse more often than the keyboard. I also couldn't have luck with the cl_yawspeed (getting out of sync because of the slightiest frame drop changed the turning). There are too many factors that changes the speed/distance, so I can't come up with correct values. I tried other techniques (making a plugin which reads an input file and interprets it from frame to frame, making an EXE that does some keybd_data) but all of them failed because of various frame drops.
For now, I do with cl_yawspeed and +left/+right. If you have FPS somewhat in level, I think it would work out quite well. At least for the effort. And probably a lot faster than a manual human.
I just have a "+moveright;+right..." script going constantly. And have an ascending/descending alias to manually alter the yawspeed (with 100 differentials maybe) as the velocity changes.
I'd be glad to hear if you find more info.
Hows it going meshuggah? anything new?
lol, i almost feel offended getting linked to a tuturial, i'm not that noob.
Most of that other stuff is for CS only anyway (wallrub, standup bh ect.)
And using cj start in HL would only be applicable to get better distance/pattern to an obstacle i think.
And in fact, I do surf in the pipes a bit, but the slope is not high enough, so surfing all way through would be slower. And I'm not sure if its even any slowdown in there.
Now to the interesting part, frame by frame strafing.
Of all the clips on youtube of this kind of stuff, 99% is done with 100airaccelerate.
I've tried this and its not very sensitive about the yawspeed. Compared to default 10airaccelerate, which is extremely sensitive.
I would need some kind of yawspeed/ups ratio to make this perfect.
Any ideas how to calculate this?
Well yes, I used to play Counter-strike that's why I wrote the bad pre.
Here's an sda thread about HL + TAS: http://forum.speeddemosarchive.com/post/half_life_tas.html
(I'm OlikA @ sda, that was the thread actually made me discover and join to tasvideos)
Cool, that makes sense. I'm quadrazid @SDA obviously, I was following that thread as well. I didn't have that much knowledge back then though.
I find it amusing that I was right about this one :> link
Cool man!
However the only efficient scripts I've seen on youtube are using 100 airaccelerate (script doesn't have to bee that accurate to be effective I guess?). And also fps values were the game runs in slowmotion, which is pretty ironic for a speedrun.
299,999 is the maximum speed before the cap in counter-strike I believe? which is irrelevant here. Max laddervelocity is 400. However the LJ module is 560.
I'd really like to know if you find some nice stuff :>
cheers
Relax some, this wasn't that a serious project. It was made only within few days. But i still doubt that its improvable with 10s with better strafing only.
#1 I didn't use TASmod. But I used techniques from it (pause cmd to simulate). It had some problems with the toggling for slowmo and different modes. So I did it just as good with my own aliases.
Is there any other "choices"? mousesupport to hourglass? ^_^
I'd really like to see a frame perfect run of HL. Each frame with calculated angle for optimal accel.
#2 host_framerate 0 (off, default). fps_max 250, mostly. Why would fps change anything from realtime?
I know the strafing isn't perfect. but also strafing more makes the path longer, and in some cases slower.
1:00 didn't understand that one.
1:05 I belive freefalling down is faster than dual-vector the ladder. Ya I think I could use the ladder to get the speed required to make a LJ.
1:29 A LJ is instantly 560ups. And to make a bhop to be faster for that short distance coming; door to wall. It would have to be perfect timing in under the door, which i felt wasn't worth it.
1:30~1:53 yes this is a the part im most unsatisfied with. i don't believe its too sharp, but i could add more intense strafing.
1:52 LOL, I gotta get into the water to change level.
2:10 The second button cannot be activated until the doors are fully open. thats why the path is straight to the first one.
2:18 trigger_changelevel wont occur until the running alias runs out. so i can reposition myself to a spot where the maps are overlapping. hence spawn outside the barney part. some examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIpyz0EjuY#t=11m56shttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FVIjZ4Dc74
sorry for the english, im pretty tired.
Using wait's is not a huge problem. as long as you dont use a bunch of them in same in same line. especially not at 250fps. but they are very accurate for the boost scripts ect. they're also needed to perform the triggerdelay trick.
Thanks for review.
Pause slowmotion is also a perfect tool for perfect bunnyhops. Since every -command gets killed once the game is paused. That means i will get a fresh +jump each new frame the game proceeds.
Doesn't that mean that the run is impossible to replicate in real-time, even if you had perfect reflexes? Because in a real-time run you either can't get that fresh +jump on each new frame, or you would have to pause, which would add at least one additional frame to the run. In other words, technically speaking this is cheating.
Ofc it's possible to make perfect jumps in real-time. +jump the first frame you touch the ground.
Thanks to you others. :>
Link to videoDownload 60fps H264, Thanks to coolkid for host
My first TAS test with HL. Using scripts to control the pause function in-game to simulate slowmotion and frameadvance. Which works better than it may sound.
I can choose any rate of slowmotion, 1/2, 1/3 ect.
The pauses will not show up using "viewdemo" cmd for playback. Hovever "playdemo" cmd will play demo exactly as they were recorded.
Pause slowmotion is also a perfect tool for perfect bunnyhops. Since every -command gets killed once the game is paused. That means i will get a fresh +jump each new frame the game proceeds.
Frameadvance is used very rarely. Almost only for the objectboosts.
This is mostly because I gotta run the game at +200FPS for best acceleration. And it would take some time to frameadvance at that rate.
And of course a speedometer to assist me.
I'm very new to this kind of stuff, but if you have any questions, ask.
Enjoy!
map - time
Old real-time run by quad & ray 2:42.26
t0a0 57,56
t0a0a 48,41
t0a0b1 13,95
t0a0b2 8,66
t0a0c 21,32
t0a0d 12,36
TAS 2:18.06
t0a0 51,37
t0a0a 43,45
t0a0b1 10,25
t0a0b2 7,64
t0a0c 23,33 (18,08)
t0a0d 2,02 (7,27)
//pause slowmo
alias p4us3on "pausable 1;w;alias _special p4us3;p4us3;bind k p4us3off;bind space +jump;developer 1"
alias p4us3off "alias _special;bind k p4us3on;bind space +bhop;developer 1"
alias p4us3 "pause;wait;pause;wait;special" //ratio
//advance
alias advance "pause;w;pause"
AR-boosts
//gateboost 86hp 15ap
alias +lj "fps_max 250;force_centerview;+duck;+jump;w;-jump;w10;cl_pitchup -125;+attack2;w;-attack2;cl_pitchup 89.999;force_centerview"
alias -lj -duck
//window
alias +lj2 "fps_max 250;cl_pitchdown 20;cl_pitchup -20;w;+duck;+jump;w;-jump;cl_pitchdown 89.999;w10;cl_pitchup -130;+attack2;w;-attack2;cl_pitchup 89.999;force_centerview"
alias -lj2 -duck
//toxic 45-25
alias +lj3 "fps_max 250;force_centerview;+duck;+jump;w;-jump;w3;cl_pitchup -115;+attack2;w;-attack2;cl_pitchup 89.999;force_centerview"
alias -lj3 -duck
//Triggerdelay
fps_max 200;lj;+moveleft;speak left;+jump;w300;w30;speak one;reset;+duck;+ag;+moveleft;w30;+moveright;speak right;w50;w20;reset;w50;w15;speak two;+forward;w10;reset;lj;+moveright;speak right;+jump;w200;speak three;reset;+moveleft;speak left;+jump;w100;w30;speak four;reset;;+forward;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;w20;lj;+duck;w45;pause1;reset