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There are a few things that I'm directly noticing. The game is an autoscroller, until the boss fights. Because of this, some techniques are not being fully utilized. In addition, there are concerns brought up by [user|CoolHandMike] that could also be further discussed.
I would like to see a few more comments, since I am on the fence about this one.
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Yeah! I was thinking the same thing and that singing frog!
GJTASer2018 wrote:
I'm trying to figure out how you refill your ammo - is it by shooting all the playing cards above the player piano in a certain order?
Yes, you are correct.
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Randomno wrote:
Well, I found those addresses and I could get past a specific point, which tells me that the game has no more to show.
I don't understand this
I was hoping to see if there was more to the map, but I couldn't get it to show past that big block area. Seems like that was the end of the road. I tried on an earlier part and was able to push the character to different parts of the layout.
I'm not surprised...Action 52 has been such a horrible release.
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Perhaps I can get a second opinion on this. I found the locations for the placement of the main character on the map.
0x317 X - Low byte.
0x38D X - High byte.
If I have this right, its using Little-Endian. Because they are separated within memory, i can't combine them with the tools given. So you'll have to modify both locations to see if you can push it beyond that impassable location.
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LOL...congratulations Darkman! You and feos have made the Compute's Gazette hall of fame! You certainty did what I could never do.
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CoolHandMike wrote:
nymx wrote:
I need some information here. Obviously this run is good to go for my judgement; however, the previous, https://tasvideos.org/3718S, was not so descriptive and doesn't help me understand the difference between the two.
My initial thought is to obsolete, but the previous submission has a category that is not mentioned in this submission. The encodes are different, but is that because of the routes? So my question is...does your run intend to obsolete or is this another category?
I think you should leave that one be and not have this obsolete it instead accept this to a different category. There are some differences to take into consideration and both of these pages might need updating.
1. There are three main paths in this game and each offers different abilities with 7 unique bosses, different side powerups, and routing opportunities. I intend to in the future at least go through that tas with the route "Search For Wily" you linked since I think there are some good time saves to be found there.
2. My submission is on Normal while in the linked submission it was stated to be on the hardest (Very Hard I guess). In Bizhawk I noticed there are no dipswitches for the difficulties so I left it be. In the piano roll there is a button "S" I believe which brings you to a select menu to manually select the difficulty. I found the menu to be kind of slow and jarring and once you finish the game restarts, this felt like a waste of time since I by the time I was done with changing the difficulty a boss would already have been defeated with no real differences.
3. There is one difference with the difficulties "4 Very Hard - Phase 2 Animation Trigger in Round 1" and that is with the "Phase 2" Danger mode or whatever activation cutscene. On normal it just activated two rounds later. So...that would be like 4 extra seconds about between Normal and Very Hard? Other than that I am not completely convinced there would be any significant differences between the difficulties for a TAS considering you can through delays or through position changes manipulate the enemy AI to select moves in any case. As far I could tell casually playing the game the enemies seem slightly more aggressive on higher difficulties, but that is all I noticed. When they die in seconds it does not really matter that much probably. At this point in time I am not going to go through and give it an exhaustive comparison. But...while saying that it might be worthwhile to tag these with the difficulties? I do not know.
If you want to look at the different routes look at the current leaderboards here:
https://www.speedrun.com/mega_man_2_the_power_fighters?h=Solo-Search_for_Wily-2_Normal&x=zd38oynk-38djwk08.zqo3wp4q-ql6r6x7l.ln84g86l
Thanks.
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I need some information here. Obviously this run is good to go for my judgement; however, the previous, https://tasvideos.org/3718S, was not so descriptive and doesn't help me understand the difference between the two.
My initial thought is to obsolete, but the previous submission has a category that is not mentioned in this submission. The encodes are different, but is that because of the routes? So my question is...does your run intend to obsolete or is this another category?
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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BlackWinnerYoshi wrote:
Hmm, what about going all the way to score 99999 / level 99 ?
hmmmm. I hope I don't have to do that. Usually, I like going for the completion of unique content...and then ending with the highest level of difficulty.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Hopper262 wrote:
Thanks for showing off all these neat little games!
Absolutely. Its getting rather thin now...most of the games are very dull and I wouldn't TAS them at all. I'm just about at the end of them. Still searching though.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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If you select "Edit", on your submission...you will see the status dropdown. Just change it to cancel.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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lolr4v82 wrote:
Thanks mate! I will keep on improving. I wasn't sure if a run needed to be a record to upload, but now I know. Thank you for your understanding!
You do have the option to bow out gracefully by canceling your submission, otherwise it will face rejection.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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I'm going to second that statement from Spikestuff. I immediately noticed a problem in stage 1-2 at the beginning. Taking that much time to go to the top of the screen is much slower than continuing through the normal area. Also, getting the mushroom in this stage is slower. If you are going to do so, you need to get one that reduced the time for backtracking.
I stopped analyzing after that stage, since this TAS is already showing significant optimization issues.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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You have a submission error. Your movie file is 50 frames long. Obviously, this is a mistake. Can you please upload an updated movie file to the WIP / User file area and I will replace.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Cactur_, remember...you don't have to leave blank input at the end of your file in order for the movie to continue. I trimmed it out, but just take note of that in the future.
2148 frames were cut, which made a huge dent in your time.
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Just curious if you have watched AVGN yet on the Action 52 games?
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Patashu wrote:
I love games like this, feels like an ancient ancestor of modern games like Crossyroads. Funny that level 10 isn't guaranteed to be human solvable. Just adds to replay value!
You are certainly going to love the BIG one that is coming soon. :)
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I've been trying to figure this game out and I need some feedback from the community please. This is a weird one and I've tried comparing it to some speed-runs...which I'm not quite sure of. This TAS appears to complete the objective, but I would like to hear some more on the subject.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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LogansGamingRoom wrote:
2nd new console this week!
Yeah, I've never even heard of that one.
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longbao, if you are having trouble writing up your submission details, you can write up your submission notes in your native language. We can use google translate on this end.
What we need from you are details pertaining to your ROM usage and notes on where to get the IPS file being used. In addition, any notes on the run itself will be helpful in judging.
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longbao, I've noticed over the history of your submissions that your notes are extremely lacking in details for us to properly analyze your work. This one is no exception, as we have confusion still yet to sift through.
Please response with some details that answers the question that FractalFusion has, as well as any other details that can help me to finalize my judgement of this submission.
Thanks.
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LGR, I think you missed the private message I sent you. i just wanted to bring out a problem with your TAS.
There is one optimization area that sticks out a lot at 1:09. Because of this, there might be issues elsewhere that you are not cutting the corners tight enough. Can you please look into this and correct?
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LogansGamingRoom wrote:
wouldn’t it be faster to wait until the time is about to run out and then reach the goal?
Good eye.
There are a few problems though:
During actual play, the timer runs much faster than during the "Tallying" time, after winning a round. So each bounce costs a lot and I had to balance the setting just in order to make it through this game. When I started, I used the fastest value of "1", which basically...I couldn't complete a level, as the time was gone before I could get up to the top. So, I increased it by 1, until I was able to get through a number of levels. Thereafter, it was pretty much safe.
So, as you stated...if I just waited, the ball would have bounced one too many times and the time would have been gone. Sorry, it was hard to control....but theoretically, you are right.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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Ok. The only level that I had concerns over was the 9th screen. I don't have any ideas on how to improve anything else. For this particular submission, you can resume judging.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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DrD2k9...After that simple routing that you brought up, I'm going to hold off on my newest improvement for a day or so. I think I have too much of the Coleco version in me to see things clearly. So far, I've found 40 more frames...for a total of 55 since your suggestion. I don't want to confuse you with any downloads, that you might already have, by me constantly uploading improvements.
I'll report back when I've updated it.
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SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
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I remember a game that was in the manual for the vic-20 called Dam Busters. Can't wait to see it.
LGR, if you like...I can show you how to create you own encodes. It could grab a lot more attention on your submissions.
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SOYZA: Are you playing a game?
NYMX: I'm not playing a game, I'm TASing.
SOYZA: Oh...so its not a game...Its for real?
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Anybody got a Quantum computer I can borrow for 20 minutes?
Nevermind...eien's 64 core machine will do. :)
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