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Migu wrote:
I guess the only other in-progress run is 80 star, which is defined by no glitches in the castle, but will probably also avoid tunneling completely. The only likely submissions to use tunneling are improvements to 0 star.
If a new glitch is found that allows to collect fewer stars without tunneling, how would it be handled by the community relative to the "3 stars" category? Would it be avoided like tunneling is, just to keep "3 stars" alive? Or would it depend on how much time it saves and how many stars it skips?
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arukAdo wrote:
I have difficulties to make decisions about obsoleting [2657] PSX Castlevania: Symphony of the Night "pacifist, low level" by ForgoneMoose in 21:08.62 I'll try to be specific; The pub movie does 5 kills (gaibon/slogra/doppleganger/venus/dracula), and use replay mode (dirty sram), the reason for this is to acquire the duplicator and make a long chain of Heart Refresh at the end to skip shaft boss, without that it would be 6 kills (and lot faster as well). Now im planning on using a different version of the game (the original jp release) that allow to skip shaft without the long chain of Heart Refresh due to a bug present only in this version, and reduce kills to 3 (doppleganger/sword master/dracula) because you dont need to kill anymore the venus. Because I dont need anymore the duplicator at the end, should I not use dirty sram? This does have multiple consequences in term of routing and/or speed, aside the duplicator use for skiping shaft, it enable to buy the shurikens (infinite uses) to kill dracula quicker or replinish mana. If I forgo sram usage, killing dracula will be notacibly slower, it will also force me to go trough at least 4 dialogues sequences, they can only be skip with replay mode and they ammount for several minutes (more than 5). I dont really believe having a pub with and without replay mode would make much sence (for a pacifist run anyway), the gameplay differences would be relativly small aside the extra time spent to kill dracula but there is some differences. That been sayd if it helps in the decision making, I could make a seperate movie for both options if thats the best course of action, but it is time consuming. Lastly, the current pub is labeled as "pacifist - low level", while my movie will have less kill, it will also have higher level/exp gain, does this mean the current pub could potentially been a seperate branch on its own? or should this sub-category "low level" just go away ? (just to be clear, this would mean theres room for obsoleting it with a 4 kills run on usa version). Any guidance will be much appreciated
It looks like the "low level" part of the current pub is just the result of its pacifism. I wasn't very mindful during judging back in 2014 so I didn't change the submitted label, but now it looks like it's just "pacifist". Extra labels are only needed if they affect the goal, usually by making the run slower without the extra restrictions. If switching to clear saveram loses time while increasing repetitiveness, I'd advocate for using dirty sram also, because "pacifist" is still not a Standard goal, so it can't get all the variations of standard goals published. As for using a different version, I think unique glitches make it worthwhile, but since it's not a standard goal either, it boils down to differences between the 2 "pacifist" movies when deciding whether to obsolete or let them co-exist. Can you explain the differences more extensively between 2 saveram pacifist movies if they were done on different versions of the game? Also dropping saveram anchor from the new one would make them more or less different?
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RetroEdit wrote:
Just giving some feedback as someone who care a lot about TASing, but is not too familiar with Pokemon: including a goal like this lumped in sort of compromises record-keeping as an any% run, given this is a separate goal, not a traditional mid-run speed-entertainment tradeoff or something similar. I do understand an idea of efficiency with a mostly redundant run, but I also think it's important to set a good precedent for future obsoletion and have a carefully considered run endpoint.
Efficiency is not the goal of the rules, we embrace variety these days. It's just that 10% of extra content after 90% of identical content is yet another edge case that no rule can resolve nicely while not setting the opposite precedent too, like "okay from now on, 10% difference is officially enough for a new branch". In short games 10 minutes could be majority of the run, and it'd be clear that a given branch is transformative enough to co-exist. But actual videogames never limited themselves to concepts that our rules try to rely on, so there will never be satiable match between them. If they are turned into the same category, indeed obsoletion becomes a problem because rejecting a run without round 2 after "both rounds" was published would be bad. And rejecting the latter would be bad. Sending both rounds to Playground would technically fit its purpose but nobody likes it anymore because it was never fully developed. Maybe it could just be sent to Alternative and be done with. But again I would feel weird infinitely pushing the difference borderline effectively towards 0. If 10% is now enough, soon 1% will be enough, if all other options are as bad as the ones I listed above. Then 0.1% would be enough, etc. And then we wonder why even have rules or any kind of publication system at all, if all that system does is limiting things? Also technically, for things that are only 1% different or less, we have secondary publication files. I don't know if it'd be enough for a "both rounds" movie.
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MUGG wrote:
I found that the RNG address ($0379 WRAM) in Dirty Racing (Game Boy) will be set to a different initial value when starting in GB mode, in GBC mode or in GBA mode. The RNG value that can be achieved when starting in GBA mode will give the most favorable outcome. Is it ok to TAS this Game Boy game in GBA mode?
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Backwards compatibility modes, such as running Game Boy games in Game Boy Advance mode, are allowed if a physical console (or the game) supports it, unless there significant glitches. For the purposes of Movie Rules we define significant glitches as audio, video, and/or gameplay-affecting glitches apparent to people unfamiliar with the game.
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M3 wrote:
Hello. https://youtu.be/ClFSXWVz0i4?feature=shared Well, this is a TAS for X5 'Extreme Collect', and I thought of a route that should be faster. But that route would make me lose probably one power-up part, and to be exact, it's Matterex's. Would this route still be valid for Extreme Collect?
Since the goal of the current publication is "maximum items" (I fixed the branch to say that, it was wrongly renamed to 100% after publication), it can't be obsoleted by collecting fewer items, only more. Or the same amount but in shorter time.
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CasualPokePlayer wrote:
677227 frames (3:02:39.93)
For just a dozen minutes in a 3 hour movie, I think nobody will complain if it's just included in the main run. If it was like an extra hour we could have it as a separate branch and call it something like "both rounds". but for such a short addition I think it's fine to include.
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What's the total duration of the final movie that includes round 2, from power on and without sram?
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Migu wrote:
I'm unsure if tunneling would be used in any future jumpless movies. Off the top of my head it wouldn't save time anywhere in jumpless any%, but it would be used in a potential maximum stars jumpless or 150 stars minimum jumps run, though that's not planned right now. The WIP 150 stars run is avoiding tunneling. So in general it's mostly avoided.
Thanks. What about non-jumpless ones?
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If this is accepted as a new branch, we propose "3 stars" to go along with the tradition of naming speedrun categories after star count. But it might be better to add in or replace it with "no tunneling".
For the second existing publication (jumpless), and potential new branches, would tunneling be mostly used or avoided? If this movie is going to be one of the few branches where it's avoided, indeed we'll label it "no tunneling". But if majority of branches are going to avoid it, then we'll need to label the ones with it "tunnel glitch" or something. Also, [6064] DS Super Mario 64 DS by Sharkey91, Really_Tall, bobbybob, Adeal, Migu & Rupa in 05:42.28's description says "improved Tunneling" which implies it was used in [3370] DS Super Mario 64 DS by Sharkey91, Really_Tall & ALAKTORN in 08:12.93 too. That's not correct, right?
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Post subject: 2024 Awards - Winners announced, and TAS of 2024 voting open!
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Voting for the TAS of 2024 is now open, and the winners of every other category have been announced!
Arcade TAS of 2024 [6295] Arcade Metal Slug 4 "2 players" by zk547 in 14:32.15 Atari TASes of 2024 (tie) [5985] A2600 Kaboom! "maximum score" by DrD2k9 in 2:45:51.21 [6223] A2600 Ninjish Guy in Low Res World by Induviel in 07:16.76 DS/DSi/3DS TAS of 2024 [6109] DS Super Mario 64 DS by Migu, bobbybob, Sharkey91, Really_Tall, Adeal & Rupa in 05:37.23 Exotic TAS of 2024 [5906] Vboy Jack Bros. "Jack Skelton, For Super Players" by Darkman425 in 21:08.02 Flash TAS of 2024 [6194] Flash Go Go Gummo by Mikewillplays in 04:20.10 Gameboy TAS of 2024 [6290] GBC Wario Land 3 "game end glitch" by k80may in 22:59.62 GBA TAS of 2024 [6218] GBA Mario Kart: Super Circuit by iMathII & cstrakm in 22:56.80 NES TASes of 2024 (tie) [6036] NES Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers "2 players" by Dimon12321, Aglar & dragonxyk in 08:43.47 [6243] NES Gimmick! by Samsara, web2000, negative_seven, SBDWolf, Aglar & Hotarubi in 04:12.38 [6012] NES Super Mario Bros. "arbitrary code execution" by OnehundredthCoin in 04:52.65 Nintendo 3D TAS of 2024 [6309] GC Sonic Adventure DX: Director's Cut "Sonic" by Niczur in 29:57.57 PC TAS of 2024 [6314] Windows Diablo by staphen, AJenbo, ephphatha & dwangoAC in 04:10.31 PSX TAS of 2024 [6205] PSX Mega Man X4 "X, Ultimate Armor" by HappyLee in 37:09.53 Sega TAS of 2024 [6248] Genesis The Adventures of Batman and Robin "1 player" by EZGames69 in 36:22.34 SNES TAS of 2024 [6092] SNES Mega Man 7 "100%" by McBobX in 41:13.33 Arcade TASer of 2024 CoolHandMike Atari TASer of 2024 Induviel DS/DSi/3DS TASer of 2024 benstephens56 Exotic TASer of 2024 nymx Flash TASer of 2024 Mikewillplays Gameboy TASer of 2024 CasualPokePlayer GBA TASer of 2024 Alyosha NES TASer of 2024 OnehundredthCoin Nintendo 3D TASer of 2024 DyllonStej PC TASer of 2024 duuuuude5 PSX TASer of 2024 somyeol Sega TASers of 2024 (tie) EZGames69 Induviel SNES TASer of 2024 McBobX First Edition TAS of 2024 [5997] 3DS The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask 3D by benstephens56 in 23:12.85 Glitchy TAS of 2024 [6012] NES Super Mario Bros. "arbitrary code execution" by OnehundredthCoin in 04:52.65 Homebrew TAS of 2024 [5961] NES Super Painter by brunovalads & Alyosha in 05:27.53 Lucky TAS of 2024 [5908] Wii Super Smash Bros. Brawl "The Subspace Emissary, 1 player" by DyllonStej in 56:22.83 ROM Hack TAS of 2024 [5895] SNES Celeste.smc "100%" by Suru486 in 33:10.89
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Voting for the TAS of 2024 is now open! Please vote for the choices in the poll above. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let us know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open for exactly 7 days, so until 09:59 UTC on January 25th, 2025. The winner is [6012] NES Super Mario Bros. "arbitrary code execution" by OnehundredthCoin in 04:52.65
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It's done using these keys once you've made an xml with the multidisk bundler
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Is there a ticket for this feature in the bizhawk repo? If not, makes sense to create one, so there's incentive, because at least one game is not tasable without it (likely more).
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Does it work in standalone Citra?
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Mikewillplays wrote:
It's a 3ds game.
That doesn't answer the question of which emulator you're using.
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Movie Rules wrote:
Gameplay must be accurate to hardware If a game is not emulated well at all, it may not be accepted until it's emulated without significant glitches. For the purposes of Movie Rules we define significant glitches as audio, video, and/or gameplay-affecting glitches apparent to people unfamiliar with the game.
I accepted #9090: Natetheman223's GC Spider-Man 2 "swingless" in 52:01.68 despite a missing ending because normally the game plays fine in Dolphin, and we don't even know if what happened was an emulation glitch or a glitch in the game itself, and checking that would be very hard. But when the game can't be completed at all, it's easier to know which side the problem is on, and yeah you're even saying that it's an emulation issue, and it dramatically affects gameplay. Which game is it anyway? We allowed custom builds of some emulators or modified games that overcome emulation issues if authors can't currently fix them. Or maybe it's possible to push for a proper fix.
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vsamxzero wrote:
Individual level time attack runs.
Individual levels are currently not supported for publication, only completed game movies. Single-level movies can still go to Wiki: Playground.
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Please vote for the choices in the polls linked in Thread #25927: 2024 Awards - Category List. If an eligible option is missing from this list, please let staff know and we will correct it as soon as possible. Voting will be open until, at earliest, 23:59 UTC on January 15th, 2025. Full list of rules and guidelines for nomination and voting.
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feos wrote:
Keep in mind that two or more separate nominations are required for an option to make it into the poll.
When there's only 1 candidate with 2+ nominations we have to include everyone mentioned, but that's not the case here.
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Um sorry I missed this and only noticed lack of second nomination while adding the poll, so here it goes: [5952] Genesis Earthworm Jim 2 by Flip in 19:56.52
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It's an action replay code that needs to be added in the first tab.
Movie Rules wrote:
You may use external codes if they unlock gameplay or content in the game that in-game codes can't access.
What goal (category) are you planning to use in your movie?
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BizHawk 2.10 has been released! New cores:
  • Encore (Citra) for 3DS
  • UAE for Amiga
  • Stella for Atari2600
  • ChannelFHawk
We also updated Genesis-Plus-GX and QuickNES (now called QuickerNES), and made regular updates for several other cores. See the full release notes here: http://tasvideos.org/BizHawk/ReleaseHistory.html#Bizhawk210 Binaries: https://github.com/TASEmulators/BizHawk/releases/tag/2.10
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Post subject: BizHawk 2.10 Released
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BizHawk 2.10 has been released! New cores:
  • Encore (Citra) for 3DS
  • UAE for Amiga
  • Stella for Atari2600
  • ChannelFHawk
We also updated Genesis-Plus-GX and QuickNES (now called QuickerNES), and made regular updates for several other cores. See the full release notes here: http://tasvideos.org/BizHawk/ReleaseHistory.html#Bizhawk210 Binaries: https://github.com/TASEmulators/BizHawk/releases/tag/2.10
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We have several types of major skip glitches, and they are all normally covered by the speed-oriented branch that uses them and usually has an order of magnitude shorter time compared to not using it. Why only specifically split save glitch from all the rest? Standard is not only for goals that are clear, it's also for goals that are common. I can't say avoiding a save glitch is overwhelmingly more common than avoiding all other major skip glitches. After the entertainment requirement was removed from Alt (aside from playarounds), the class distinction lost a lot of meaning and is more nominal now. Previously Alt goals were those that we were unsure about so we relied on their feedback to naturally limit their count. Now it just needs to be different and somewhat subjectively sensical, which covers much more goals, including the one you're asking about. The fundamental site goal is not absolutely perfect classification, it's having things published. And they are, either way.
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Why does Alternative not cut it?
Warning: When making decisions, I try to collect as much data as possible before actually deciding. I try to abstract away and see the principles behind real world events and people's opinions. I try to generalize them and turn into something clear and reusable. I hate depending on unpredictable and having to make lottery guesses. Any problem can be solved by systems thinking and acting.
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