Why would there be any information outside TASVideos about a TAS-specific emulator that members of our community are developing?
The hope makes you trying to build links anywhere :p
And i was asking too about other emulators (since it has been also quoted while speaking strong way).
Anyone knows something about new emulator than Hourglass ongoing ? Or maybe any prediction about Hourglass ?
I ju- you se- why in th- WHAT?
You came into the Hourglass section and didn't see the clearest of all day topics which didn't require this question?
This is the thread which you so clearly missed, especially with Warepire's post above yours.
Hey, calm down :(
I was asking for any extra information NOT included directly on TASVideos.
And i think i can ask this in this thread or in the other one :(
Anyone knows something about new emulator than Hourglass ongoing ? Or maybe any prediction about Hourglass ?
Like many people, i would like TAS some windows games :)
Hi.
Actually, what's the best emulator for Som TAS ? 1.51 XX or 1.43 XX ?
Snes9X v1.43+ v13 (lua 0.05) ?
Which emulator is the best for Lua script ? Is it enough to put .Lua file in som tas directory with snes9x ? Sorry i dont remenber.
By the way, i will try to find how to manipulate the crit dam, i mean not just wait the good frame but to try to do a way to do the good x, y, z etc... movements, waiting, etc... for to get always the crit dam, considering the equation is always the same.
edit : is ok now for lua script. Im going on 1.43 v16 ( v17 makes me angry with cfg matter ^^ ).
It's again me.
I restarted a smv, look really a TAS, it's just i don't use Frame Advance. It will not posted on the site, but it will be a really pleasure to watch. Very higher than my first fast walkthrough.
It's really a serious bone for a TAS, just frame advance it and you have your TAS. Again, my smv is no glitches and its for a TAS no-glitch.
I'm now with the first boss, i gave him the first hit (18) then i have to give him 4 crit hit ( 4*36 ) for to hit his 150 HP.
I'm having some problems for to manipulates crit hit, i saw that Gorash waited the frame for crit hit, while im trying to manipulate many frames till i can hit after the 100% bar is relaunched.
I wanted to have your opinion on this : the crit hit depends only to wait a certain frame and so there is nothing to do for to crit hit just after relaunch bar 100% if this isn't a crit hit ?
By the way, i made a bit creativity : in this game to run in a right line is as fast as to run in diagonal line so i had fun of this : if a passage seems to be too long : replay it at 6% or re-record it and try to win one frame and you will see : it was still the fastest way ;)
At the beginning before to go in the first village u have little bridges : u can skip a bit stairs ( their little slow down ) if your bar is full.
PS: you can forget Mianoë.
Thanks for your post emu :)
So it will be more probably on PCSX... I hope this huge will be 100% resolved at the end, it will be still faster than to do your own emulator...
Wait and see, and thanks for that you are already trying to do :)
Shit you are right i just checked...
Pfff they don't give the source code but they are ok you send them money with paypal for support...
Why they just don't give the source code to an admin of this site, who could have already his site for snes9x ?? They think he will give the src or maybe they think they are god with this appz or what... :(
OMG i would be so happy to see a FF7 TAS, a Crash Bandicoot 3 TAS, etc...
I think it has aldready been asked, but no one is coding for rerecord for ePSXE ??
Lots of great TAS will be on this console, like N64...
I'm not a coder so i don't know if there is a problem for to add this feautre on this console... :(
To watch a Final Fantasy, Crash Bandicoot etc... TAS would be great here :(
Lol, i'm so rusty in terms of knowledge of this game...
A TAS no glitch will need more than 1,000,000 rerecord i think.... YES it's an 2D game but with these 2 others chars who random move, you have more possibility than a 3D game....
I have a little free time, i'm asking myself if while this coming week i will work 100% of time on this run... I was thinking to do a new run, no giltch, which will have pratically the level of TAS : its jus i dont use frame advance ( i don't do the game frame per frame ) but it will better than the other run : its will be 100% impossible for a human, and when you watch it, it really like a TAS, you don't see with your eyes ( even if you really try to see ) a frame lost...
Even just for that, i have the feeling it will need more than 200,000 rerecord:( so my week will not be enough.. Dunno what to do but i have a new time this feeling of need for creativity :)
I'm thinking about to do that, since i have a feeling a TAS will be never made, even a glitched TAS... I will start now and finish it later..
But who is always working on this game ? :( Gorash ? Red Hazard ? DeHackEd ? HHS ? Fabian ?
Since all this time, are people always so interrested to see this game TASed, or "great fast Walkthroughted" ( lol ) ????
I very thorouly tested that when I was first at that point. It's about 20 frames faster this way, the time is lost in the 2nd screen transition in the other path.
For your SDA runs however, the screen transitions will be faster, since you don't have optimal movement.
Thanks :)
Well, yes, it ends at Tropicallo atm. Next steps are to recreate until Undine.
Ok.
How does the reset trick work? If you kill a boss and reset, it shouldn't acknowledge that kill, should it?
This isn't a trick, just a shorcut :)
For reset, i am not speaking of Tropicallo, but Giga Fire. After to kill it, if you use rope, you go at the entrance of the underground dungeon and not at the begin of the cavern as usual. But to reset remediate that.
Well now i started to watch with lots of attention you current movie untill tropicallo ( before i wanted to have the surprise for more enjoying tas looking ), and there is few thing i am not sure, because i didn't tested it at the frame unit. :
-After to see Popoi's show, it's really the faster way to surprise these 2 swindlers ? I think the other way for surprinsing them+leave the room is a little faster.
-When you leave their room, there is a long veritcal room untill the village, you run against the wall, then you walk in the vertical way, it isn't faster to walk then run ?
You take the sword with a nice way.
Actually, you cutted Elina castle ? The shared tas is actually at the dead of tropicallo ? Just i don't want to do useless work/plan :)
I am very happy of your grouped work, perharps it will have a no glitched tas after this glitched tas.
I'll help you in this one for dungeons because i have exp with my smv for to pass some room in the fastest time. However, i will not help for boss fight.
Red hazard thanks for your proposition, but it's me who will help you :)
1.43 v9 ? arg...
Can you patch it after to have already started to recrecord the movie ?
Patch is for reset, without this patch, if you reset in your TAS, when you'll look it, movie reading will finish at the reset :(
1.51 v10 has this, i don't know if you can use patch on v9 after to start re-record.
You need to reset one time in the tas, at Gaia's Nevel after to do the dungeon, because you will re-appar at the begin of the cavern : if you use rope, you will be teleported at the begin of the dungeon in the cavern :( It is faster to reset than to use the stair of the blacksmith.
Good luck for your exam ! ;) I know what's that, to work at the end, even in high studies :D To wish luck is inory, so i will tell you to work good ;)
Secret of Mana will never die, but the matter is we can't count the new young people which don't know Secret of Mana and will probably not do TAS, so if we don't make a TAS today, we'll never forget this game but a TAS will probably not done. But the matter is this game MUST BE TASED :(
Nobody want ( just think, not engagement ) to do a TAS no glitch with team work ?
Very nice Red Hazard ! Always nice to see SOM work !
Gorash will be happy, he needed a full movie for to test many things !
But it isn't a TAS, it's a fast walkthrough ^^
Someone is planing a TAS no glitch ? And without the hit Level1 without 100% bar loading ?
I think it must be a grouped work, if not, i don't think it will be finished :(
I can help for that.
Yes you're right about exp weapon, and at 8+ it bugs sometimes ( it's sometimes anormally slow to up ).
The best spots to get the eapon from 1 to 2 seems to be either the stools in Elinees castle, there you'll have to let the other two die and charge kill them, otherwise you won't get the full exp, or kill the fishes before undine, those give full 8 points even with living party.[/quote]
Well i'll see that. Actually in your smv, have you already used a ( big ) bug ?
In your fight against the second boss, i remenber i saw you to go to the left for to wait the frame for critical hit, but did you, for each frame, tested all the directions ?
I mean, for one frame : up, test, rerecord, down, test, rerecord, etc...
Or did you : left, save, test, rerecord, left, save, test, rerecord, etc...
In this second case it's slower.
-) TorZelan : ok ;)
What is this bug? I't won't affect a 3-player run, because select is never pressed more than once, but I can't think of what you mean right now.
Remenber : 3-player is slower than 1-player in lots of room.
Because in 3-player mode, each time you run, the two others run but use the barre, that's not the case for 1-player mode, except with this crap bug.
For weapon training, i'll test differents places.
The spear is the strongest weapon ( except at the end with mana sword ), perharps you need to time the differents animations of these weapons.
- The 2-orbed whip is listed to increase speed. Never noticed it though...
About whip, it hasn't crap deg...
Boomerang, javelin, arc : these are the 3 crap weapons, even if we can appreciate them for personnal reason.
Of course it would make the tiger battle a lot faster.
Why ?
You mean the battle come sooner ? Or you mean you hit the tigger with the 3 char in same time ?
- leveling in the woods fails, because at three players the chobin hoods only give 4 weapon exp.
What ? You mean for the 2 others who not give the last hit to the ennemy ?
Stools and werewolf are too strong for weapon leveling, don't you ?
They give more weapon exp for the 2 no-final killers of the team ?
I didn't care because i've never plain weapon training in speed run/TAS.
I definitely stop my fast walkthrought.
My HDD has been stolen like others things, so i stop this.
I was at Puritas in about 2h30 ( that depend where i am at Puritas, i don't know the time at the entree ).
I'm just now sure SOM TAS-No Glitch can be done under 3H.
It had 42 000 + Rerecord ( i didn't remenber for the 1h47 i posted, but it was something like 8000), level of movie became always better with the time. When i replayed the movie, it was really impressive I played at 2% for switching char ( i didn't use frame advance, it isn't even TAS ), took lots of screen of bug ( which are now losts ). SOM needs really a full run. If you're planning a room since a long time and have difficulties, just think that at the end, you're always supposed to reach the room and give in the same time it's very linear.
I had char bug, map bug, and cheating between the room is perharps possible like ALTTP, with emulator only of course. There is less teleportation than ALTTP, but i'm sure interresting thins will be found in the future.
This game will really need a ton a time, because of this famous bug of the 100% barre wich need anormally to be reloaded more than one time for to run, when you use lots of time the select button in a short time. If the way to have this can be see, perharps it can be missed.
The room before the 3* clones ( insides the moutain ) will be a true pain to TAS, i had this bug all the time !! Because you're switching the char is this very fragmented directions ( you need here 0 or 1 or 2 select ), then you always retake the char with the axe for to delete the rock : this precise and needed alternance does a ton of matter by creating the bug of 100% barre.
I'm glad there is always motivation for this game.
Gorash can you up your the full smv of your current work ?
And there is a long time ago, i posted a french site and it has been translated -) i have forgotten to say thanks.
---) Just about glitch speed run/TAS, i don't like that ( like you know ) because : you cut, you cut, and at the end after a few accepted speed run/TAS glitched, you finish the game in something like 10min...
Perharps with the end of this smv ( i will not restart with the 1h47 i posted because these first 1h47 are really crap when i see the next stuff ) it is the way to start a TAS for me, i'll see. But i'll never do that alone.
For the names of the three characters, i think the best can be finally one letter for glitched TAS, and true name for no-glitched TAS, however, to put the trues name even in a glitched is fine because the run remain nice, before it will be finished in 0h20min in a long time :(
TorZelan i have a sad english, i didn't understood what you say about my old run, there are just boring french text or you are a french which just like to understand french text in this boring run ?
No difference between JAP and US, these NTSC have the same glitchs i think, and about the quantity of the text, i think it will be diferents categories so i just recommand US version.
Arg please no hack for this game.
SOM desyncs easy, just let the misc like at the begin of the record.
I understood why sometime the vid desynchs itself, perhaps someone knows better than me, but i already had that ( and i remenber a strange case for DKC2 on this forum, but i don't remenber exactly ) :
1-Rerecord the vid TAS
2-Close the vid, with rerecord savestates at the end
3-Reload the vid in rewind mode, and try to open a rerecord savestate : it's the same vid, but emulator tells you you can't reload it ( "it doesn't exist" )
4-However, it killed this rerecord savestate, and the movie is now desynch when you replay it, and you can't even see it if you take a younger rerecord savestat -) bad surprise at the end when replaying the movie for to see your stuff.
5- Safe solution : delete all savestates and recreate them by replaying the movie in rerecord or rewind mode ( now it doesn't desynch anymore, except if you have continued the vid before to delete the saves :( ), that depends of what type of savestates do you want.
-) I did that more than one time, but now each time i forgot to uncheck rewind mode and when i see savestate doesn't exist, i close the vid, delete the saves and recreate them.
***Magical Damage
-When i was manipulating Magical Damage, well in fact the boss fights will not be to hard, you have to manipulate spell one per one, freeze, the most common, is easy, if there is a crap dammage, just wait a frame ( of the game, not of the emulator of course )
-However, there is a few hard magie like earth slide, if you don't spam perfectly this spell, the boss will not take all the dammage in the face in one time.
It is the same situation for the spells which need to be finished before the next, it's just here you can have more matters.
-There is too the matter of Undine Level 8+ against Dark Lich, with special animation which ruins the spam.
-And i think Luna/Dryad MUST be at level 4.00 for the final fight :/
If not, effect of Mana Sword+Luna combo is too short for one cycle of Demo Mana.
-There isn't critical magical damage, just good damage, normal damage, bad damage, and randomly crap damage, this %random decreases while Level of Spell increases.
TAS will be addition of good damage.
Well i learned a ton of things of this game -) TASers, i will help you when you'll be at precise point ( boss fight, training ), and about the rooms, well i can perharps say what i think even if you'll know more than me for rooms ;).
Gorash : less than 5min of fight ;). Do you restarted your movie ? The movie which reachs Spikey Tigger, what have you done then ? Up all of that please, it's always good for motivation ;).
Recca : what about you now for the smv ? ;)
Gorash, you always want to do the TAS alone ?
He or i can help you in the way to put this sword at l2+the other at l1, even if i don't like glichted run :)
For the other weapon at l1, have you an idea ( which weapon ) ?
I should test differents things with your vid.
About the pass trick before the sewers : it seems to be finally slower. After to fninish Darkness Palace you must to use Flamy one time more, because Maria doesn't recognize you, because you don't talk him. So you need to talk, then go to gold island, then got the key with Maria, then return to Gold Tower.
I think the best is to talk to her before the sewers 1st time, then do the trick.
I just saw a good trick, how to kill a few boss faster, it's works better for bad spamming spell ( ex : airblast of sylphid ) :
Girl/Sprite has safe zone damage ( delimited in timing ) : ex : sprite is spamming the boss, then the boss has the time to do a spell on the sprite, and if you wait the good moment, sprite can restart his spam serie without to be hited.
Well you see when you have the moment ? The boss has the same timming after to take a sort, wait this taiming and hit with Randi's Sword : damage of the sword will be always added to the damage spell.
It's very good dor the fisrt worm for exemple, but the best exemple is the first slime.
Well i have to do that, i will not redo the first slime, i'm too busy, grumble.
I'm supposed to finished it, but i think i will do it, i don't knwo when.
This last trick i discovered will reduce final time.
I'm planing Golden Tower, the blue tigger is long to plan. After that, there is the Minotaur N°2, then the espion, then the clones, then aegagropilion. After that, there is a second part to plan with magic. Meka#3 and the boss just before are long to plan. After that Pureland, i think it will be not too hard. I don't know if we can kill Mana Beast with Dryad L3 with emulator. Lots of things to be seen.
I hope Mana Beast's Lucent Beam are manipulables...
Well i let you.
Hello ^^
Well i started to do a little site for to help you for downloading files :
http://azure.tree.free.fr/TAS/
It's DDL and fast, no automatic delete like p2m ^^
Actually i put your modified emulators.
I coudn't put all N64 stuf because rapidshare has already deleted a few files.
No warez Bisqwit.
If anyone want to host his video file or other little file which is interressant for this site, just post a temp p2m link or PM me.
I'll see later which i can upload.
I can't put a file larger than 60 MB but i can cut with winrar, however there is archive.org for avi files.
Well i take the decision to continue my fast smv, i have yet the time because we can only play a few min if we want.
I planned a lots of little things, i think Secret of Mana can be finished under 2h45 without any glitchs.
I'll give you news/new smv later, on the topic which you want.
To plan boss spam is a pain, like the first slime. This bastard took me a lots of time ! Now i know how to kill it. I have to redo the Darkness Palace a new time.
Good luck Gorash in your quest.
But i don't think it can be alone, in fact it's because the fastest time magic training+boss spamming, it takes an eternity to plan that.
I would be really happy to see a TAS of this game, especially a no-glitched TAS, but it's up to Gorash to see that.
I'm done with runs for Secret of Mana ( at least practice ).
In my fast walkhrought with emulator, i was going to the first slime at the Shadow Palace and i died, i realised i had to plan magic Salamando training and redo Shadow Palace, i began to be bored with emulator so i tried finally SS speed run, my final goal, but i finally gived up, it take too time in my life.
This game has definitely too random factors for a really impressive speed run, because of the moves of the 2 others chars which depends too much of your own moves.
Total played time at Secret of Mana is huge ( for 100% game too ), I never had these Shadow Zero. A shadow Zero ( just one, not with Shadow Magic ) is perhaps in the game, you can open it in a bugged chest with AR, and it does nothing
But this game is very glitched. However, i doubt of these Shadow Zero with magic, this general bug which can be in all the cartdrige. I think Secret of Mana cartdrige has hardware matter ( with all versions NTSC JP/US - PAL ) with not optimal data locations on cartdrige which give matter with complex loading like you and the 2 others chars are making some input which let you all bug possible, but randomly bug like if the cartdrige was broken and no always the same thing like shadow zero animation.
When i was young, while the cartdrige was loading a room, it loaded a wrong music... I am sure of this.
And you saw this chest in my speed run at ruins #2, and the end of Red Dragon at Pureland.
Nothing seems to be impossible.
Oh, and be careful of this chest of the ruins #2, with a tons of differents input you can have it ( i saw it in my emulator movie
If you can have Shadow Zero ( just see it in fact ) it's in one of these bugged chest.
Like the short TAS of Zelda ALTTP i saw, there seem to have teleportations between room, but not with direction input, just with bug you can search with eternity with emulator. I saw chipset bug with a few boss, the chipset had moved itself and i was in crap situations ( the picture was the same but the true obstacles were moved at other place ).
For teleportation, i didn't took the time to really see it, i'm not expert of source code which will be probably interresting.
Secret of Mana must be very long to TAS, Gorash. I wish you good luck.
Well at the second worm you already have mana drain. That worm has 99 mana, so you can refill yourself for Undine
Not sure. Each boss, each foe has his own resistance to "steal MP". That's why i have training before certains boss at Tree Palace, because if you do training while the fight after that there aren't any MP to steal. But at this point Luna will be high, it's true. I have to see that.
Well, an itty-bitty 14 levels in 5 casts won't hurt don't you think?
Besides, not using it in a TAS will get me cruxified by potential judges...
I was wondering if you guys might be able to help me out. I have been playing around with this game as it is one of my favorites.
My first problem is that none of the videos (.smv) files I have tried to look at work properly. They all get stuck in the first area where you pull the sword. Every time I try, the 'hero' gets stuck on the cuttable grass and never initates the 'The town is this way, I need something to cut through' speach. I just can't figure out what I am not doing properly. Do you have to watch at a certain speed? I hope not. Is pressing tab to turbo through the into a bad thing for desyncing? I have watched from power on all the way to the problem point at 'normal' speed and it still does it. Perhaps some other setting I am not aware of? I have several ROMs and neither Seiken's or Gorash's videos will play properly on any version.
I have made my own crappy attempt at a TAS of this game. I can not get past the spikey tiger in the witche's castle. I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around how to beat this thing. I killed it once, saved the movie and played it back and things didn't happen the same way. This also happened on tropicalo, it took me many tries to get things to happen the same way on every play-back. Once I learned how to avoid the pumpkin bombs it seemed to work well.
SoM is my favorite snes game. Seiken's speed run at SDA is awesome and I can't wait to see any improvments. I played it a lot and really want to make my own TAS. I know I could just level up a bit and whoop ol' spikey but beating him quick would be much better.
Thanks in advance for any insight on the movie playback problem.
For smv you need the right emulator ( of this site and not from official site ) + the right US rom, just Secret of Mana (U).
For Spikey Tigger use Re-record + Slow Speed and Frame Advance for perfect fight.
My Speed Run seems to have an impressive time ( 5h15 PAL 8 segments ) but in fact Secret of Mana can be finished in a very shorter time, some people never think we can finish Secret of Mana under 10h so 5h15 can seem impressive, but in my speed run there are lots of mistakes.
I have too desyncs matter while replaying my own file without do something on emulator/rom/settings, but now i know when it happens : when i am replaying a few times with sometimes "Read Only" ticked and somtimes not, that's depends if savestats are created while "Read Only" or not, because it will desyncs if you rewind ( "Read Only" ticked ) on a savestats created while playing a movie with "Read Only" unticked. Or something similar, but i know that's something like that, i had it a few times but never did attention. I just restart emulator and movie isn't desyinc anymore.