So even after being ordered to change the rating and doing so, I'm still being harassed. Fantastic.
What exactly do you want from me? >_>
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I have a hard time believing you watched the entire 2 hour run and still thought it deserved a .1 entertainment rating. If it was really that bad, you would/should have stopped watching long before the end.
Should have, yes. But I can hardly be objective that way, now can I?
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
So you are basically saying that you used the entertainment rating to express your protest against the run being published, rather than judging it based solely on its own merits, without letting site politics color your opinion.
While you are of course entitled to do so, please reconsider your attitude. The rating system was not created for this kind of thing. If you want to protest, please do it on the forum, rather than vandalizing someone's ratings.
That's not what I said, and that's not what I did.
Neither the debacle surrounding the run, nor the insults used by the author and those in line with him swayed the actual run.
I actually sat through the run itself, in interest of being objective, and found the language switch, in and of itself, to be extremely unentertaining. Several times, I was tempted to simply turn the run off and be unobjective, but I chose to watch it to the end.
And I provided ratings to this effect. (Note that, if I was truly vandalizing, they would both be 0.0, instead of, you know, neither of them being as such.) Which were evidently 'not satisfactory', so I was harassed and threatened to change them.
...Which, in turn, means the ratings currently up do not reflect my honest view of the video. At this point, I would rather put up false ratings than get harassed further.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I feel this rating would not be so heavily criticized were it not for the extremely low entertainment rating, so allow me to explain that one first.
Given the controversy surrounding this run, and the fact that it was forced to break a rule to be published (so badly, in fact, that the rule was changed mid-voting to suddenly make the run legal), I found this situation to be highly unentertaining. This applies to the run itself, as there are no sections in it that do not remind me of the rule it broke to be published.
As for the technical rating, I always tend to be rather conservative on that when the run does not do something that significantly impresses me on a technical stand-point. Do note that this value is still above average.
However, I am not a troll, so I have decided, at the request of those here, to increase my ratings.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I notice that this run is done from clear SRAM (no Shigarui). Is your intent to use this run to create a verification file for the Momohime run?
Er, what? I did the verification movie for my momohime run before i even started it. It wouldn't have been published otherwise. There was a bunch of drama about starting from sram though last time, and nach said not to do it again.
...What I mean is, would it be possible for this video, if completed, to replace the existing SRAM-verification file for Momohime-mode? I assume the exact contents of the original save file, when saving to the second on Momohime, wouldn't affect luck or timing in the run itself (though with some games, you never know), so long as it meets the condition to unlock Shigarui.
Also, the rules now clearly say not to if it doesn't make any real difference.
...Which is rather inconsistent, as the rules ALSO suggest using the hardest difficulty, and we have runs that use SRAM for the sole purpose of enabling said difficulty.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
That dang centipede... I've fought it half a dozen times and still can't figure out exactly what the best way to fight it is. x.x Though it looks like you've got a good system going for it.
I notice that this run is done from clear SRAM (no Shigarui). Is your intent to use this run to create a verification file for the Momohime run?
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I don't think we could ever "console-verify" any TAS that uses FMV-skipping, unless someone builds a robot that manually opens and closes the disc's tray.
To say nothing about the fact that multi-disc PSX game run exchange discs inhumanly fast; that would be pretty difficult to console-verify in and of itself.
Anyways, I'm thinking that FMV skipping would probably be best avoided, for the sake of accuracy. An alternative encode should definitely be made available, however, where the FMVs are edited out.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
If this run got a Yes vote from me before, a version that cuts 11% of the game's time with optimization is a no-brainer.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
It shows that rules are not ever-perfect and set in stone, and that unpopular rules eventually get overturned.
I'm not sure the language rule could be considered 'unpopular', if those in favor of breaking it feel the need to resort to profane insults to establish their position.
amaurea wrote:
You make it sound like this publication suddenly makes it ok to, say, start from a hacked save-state. But such a run wouldn't be published because the rule against starting from a save-state has a solid backing in the community.
That's because that's how it feels to me, albeit somewhat exaggerated. This run's version choice, despite being made arbitrarily, is based on using Abashi's run, previously considered an exception, as precedent; something that would otherwise be unthinkable. As unfortunate as it may be, the mere acceptance of this run proves that rules don't actually matter when a high-profile run is involved.
This run also proves some other things, which I will refrain from bringing up in polite company. >_>
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
If you'd like to discuss the rules, civilly, go ahead.
Okay, here's a discussion based on the rules.
What level of precedent does this run establish, now that it's evidently accepted?
It would seem it gives the impression that it's okay to break the rules at will to get a faster time, so long as it's a popular game and/or one's a well-known TASer.
I would hope it's not, that this is merely an exception, but two exceptions for the exact same game for the exact same rule violation really kind of strains things.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
So if theoretically Swordless's run gets rejected, and then a month or two down the line a Japanese native submits a J TAS that is almost identical to Swordless's (I.E, it would either copy large amounts of input, or uses the same .m64), then nobody would mind that it is in Japanese?
You know, by that same extent, if this run were actually accepted, then it would be okay to plagiarize large sections of it to make an E version.
I'm not saying anyone doing such a thing would be allowed by the rules. However, if there's a precedent set for runs being allowed to break rules so long as they get a faster time, well....
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
If people are going to make cutscene-less encodes of the run anyway, doesn't that somewhat obsolete the point of breaking the language rule in the first place?
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I hope so. I'd hate to see the game be reduced to pirate bait, since I like seeing small-time companies hit it big.
One thing is for sure, though; we still have a whole year before we can see how well it holds up, let alone how TAS-viable it is.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
Then it's a game that exists solely for the market of people who already own an SNES in perfect working condition, still play said SNES, and are still willing to pay $70 on a new game that we still don't know if it's any good or not.
This doesn't exactly disavow my skepticism.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I'm aware of console durability, especially those made of the mythical, rumored 'Nintendium'; it's the matter of anyone actually still possessing said consoles in the hopes that a game would show up so many years in the future.
So most people are looking at not just the price of the cartridge, but also the price of buying a new SNES (likely used, possibly not in the greatest shape), a controller... going off the cheapest prices for each of these on eBay at the time of this post, this amounts to $90-$100... for one game. Most people are hesitant about buying Collector's Edition versions of games at that price for the current generation of systems, let alone one from three generations back.
I really do hope that the company, Super Fighter Team, makes enough money to justify production. But I'm skeptical about the situation, with all the factors in play here. The markets that they're selling seem incredibly narrow.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I'm thinking that the increased cart sales, combined with the unlikelyhood of anyone actually still possessing a fully functional SNES these days, would effectively doom this game to being emulated only; there couldn't possibly be enough of a demand for it to justify production costs.
Of course, if it's as high quality as they seem to be implying, it could be prime TAS material. It'd just be kind of tragic if the company doesn't actually make money off of the game.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
It's really hard to see small frame improvements, even in comparison to the original run.
But it's easy to respect the level of the work done in it, and it's clear the run is well done.
Here's a yes vote and hope for a bright future of SM64 TASing~.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
No vote.
I cannot in good conscience favor a run that violates one of the most basic rules of the site.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I'm okay with it obsoleting the existing RBA run, but I have a bit of a problem with this future glitched run inheriting the RBA'S 'category-less' status. Perhaps we could specifically move this to 'glitched' and move the 'all dungeons' run over to the category-less slot, as that would be a bit more... 'standard', I guess?
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I would prefer making any real decisions about "is this up-and-coming glitch run, if it's even possible, unique enough to warrant its own category", but when the question comes, it will hinge on this:
To warrant being kept, instead of obsoleted, the RBA run would need to be unique enough to stand out on its own. This is, I feel, the deciding factor here; the closer to the RBA run this glitched run gets, the less unique RBA feels, and the more appealing replacing it becomes.
Unlike the Super Mario World mentioned above, the question is just how much of the game is actually still there. SMW got a new category because the only run the glitch-run could have obsoleted was one that skipped no major sections of the game; a couple levels were bypassed through the Wings and Goal Sphere tricks, but the path was the same; get to the first Star Road and traverse it until the final level.
For the RBA run, this isn't the case. The run already uses so many glitches that every dungeon, save Ganon's Castle, is completely bypassed with a glitch. The route becomes more about setting up the glitch than it is about progressing the game.
And to a run that already skips eight dungeons and a mini-dungeon through glitches... what's one more?
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
The primary values of using a controller, comfort and ease of use, are significantly less valuable to a TAS; you simply won't be TASing in the same manner you'd play, and you will usually require access to more keys than an average controller provides.
Additionally, wireless controllers can cause a bit of an issue with dropping button presses, if there's some wireless interference in your house.
This is just my opinion, though. Depending on how few buttons your target system actually uses, how many buttons your controller uses, and how comfortable you are switching between controller and keyboard as the need arises, using a controller could be perfectly viable.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
<h4>Suggested Screenshots</h4><div class="deeper"> I have a couple of suggested screenshots that I either though looked good or acted as a statement about the run. I don't think they are usable because of the compressions standards, so I'll include the frame numbers as well. They are, in order: 38170, 40177, 61252, 70378, 72469, 75409.
Definitely this last one. Something's just hilarious about goosestepping space pirates.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I would make a post about Nach turning the crank to keep the servers up, but I feel that would be an irresponsible usage of the energy he's expending, so I won't.
However, I am, for some reason, making a post to mention how I'm not making a post, thereby increasing how hard Nach has to work to keep the servers up. I feel I owe him an apology for saying so much it uses up bandwidth and forces him to work harder, but if I do, it would take up even more bandwidth. Plus he'd have to stop cranking to read it, which means the servers would go back down, which means I'd owe everyone else an apology too, which means. . . SYSTEM ERROR
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
I probably got into viewing this run a little late, but I still found it very interesting.
Though each stage-set somehow managed to be more bizarre than the one before. o.o;
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
Boo always matches the speed of your last run trough the level. This run starts from clean You Vs. Boo data.
That doesn't answer my question. :/
I don't see how it doesn't.
Boo's 'color' is based on how fast you last went through that level. As you defeat him, he eventually upgrades in color to indicate how fast he is, which in turn is based on your fastest record of the level. So the "Black Boos" can only exist when your record is faster than a certain point.
No previous save data for this mode means Boo is going off of default records, which are slow enough for Boo to be his starting white.
People can only encounter Black Boo if they replay stages after going quickly through them. Indeed, one would encounter Black Boos if they revisited the stages after this run's input concludes. There is no randomness associated with this mode at all. In fact, if you pay attention to the "Mario Wins" screens, you can see Black Boo floating onto the screen, indicating that the stage was fast enough to warrant said upgrade.
First a movie gets submitted, and ends up accepted despite breaking rules other runs have been rejected for. And when I vote less than spectacularly on this movie, I become the victim of harassment and threats.
Yay, favoritism.
