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I could be very wrong, but I think he's asking how to upload a TAS. There's got to be someone that speaks better chinese than me. EDIT: 你的TAS 是上http://tasvideos.org/Movies-NES.html 曷tasvideos.org 批准你的TAS。
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我会说一点儿汉语。 请, 你的刨是什么?
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I can't really see anything to add to the debate on this end, except that I implore you guys not to see nate's words as representative of the speedrunning community as a whole. He has few supporters in this; I have only seen two or three people over there actually agree with him. I view his vision of the sites (and his as the superior one etc etc) to be outrageously arrogant and I initially opposed his posting of the recent thread on the m2k2 forum simply because it makes the entirety of m2k2sda look bad. He'll say he represents the sites, but in this instance, he does not. His views are generally regarded as misguided at the very least by the populace over there. Our community has no place attempting to dictate any community other than ours, so please know that nate's alone here.
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*shrug* I still think it's a good name, so just tossing it out there.
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Cyborg Run? Heh with any luck everyone's forgotten about that by now.
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TRH wrote:
What they did was that they removed the ability to combat dash with the scan visor, they didn't do a thing to SJF. I also believe the reason they remove sequence breaks and such is to prevent the game from freezing and glitching, not because they dislike sequence breaks or something.
Heh well, that did make SJF a gigantic pain to do. Still possible, but yeah. More on-topic, though, good run indeed, Mega.
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And the whole "Space Jump First" thing in Prime 1.
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LocalH wrote:
He says that after labeling ALL TASrunners "rapists", without regard to how their run was published? I understand that M2k2 is his forum and he can say what he wants, but it's also my right to call him a loony for equating "makes emulated speedruns with slowdown and savestates" with "forcibly having sex with someone against their will".
That's why that term sucks, but you must understand, it's just vernacular over at m2k2. That's what everyone calls it, no matter whether they think it's a bad thing on not. You'll note that this sort of thing is not seen as "beneath" m2k2. Other quotes from the forums:
LifeMega wrote:
That... was the most awesome thing ever. Raped Super Metroid. I can't wait to see this run.
spineshark wrote:
Never seen emu-rape before. This ought to be good. Getting episode 1, HQ, right now.
njhanke wrote:
the fusion forum is becoming the 'hall of emu-raped wonders'. might have to renovate the fusion section or something.
As I said, this was just an idea, and it's you guys' opinion that counts in this. Thanks for your time.
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Graveworm wrote:
You can't possibly figure that out by yourself, "cyborg". Is it a game? A style? The format of the file? I don't know what thoughts will pop up in peoples minds, but you have to be stupid not to get what tool-assisted means, and if you don't, get into bisqwit's site and start reading, if you don't know, you'll only make a fool out of yourself. (Yes, I've learned that from experience.)
One thing that has occured to me is that the word "cyborg" sticks out a whole lot more. Someone who doesn't know "tool-assisted" may just slide over the word and not think much of it, and then they'd think the run was for real. The same person might be inclined to ask what "cyborg" means, on the flip side.
No, I don't think it'll be any better.
Let me reiterate that I don't have anything riding on this; I merely think it's a good idea. It's all a matter of opinion, and this site's opinion is more important than any other, quite naturally.
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FODA wrote:
I still think that cyborg resembles more a robot than a human.
Isn't that an accurate description of what an emulated superplay run looks like? I don't even mean that in a bad way. I myself think it's both accurate and cool.
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I'm not comparing emulated runs or runners to robots. A robot would be something else entirely, merely a bot playing the game. What I mean by "cyborg" is the combination of the player and the machine, the machine being savestates and slowdown, which, combined and each contributing to the gameplay, outperform any mere human playing on a console.
Post subject: A Proposal From Metroid 2002
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Greetings, all. I am a member of the community at http://www.metroid2002.com and have been so for some time. While I do not actively pursue the same sort of gaming endeavours most of the patrons of sites like this one and metroid 2002, I am very involved with the community thereof and support elite gaming in all its forms. It is with this mindset that I approach this forum. Relations between the elite console gaming community and the elite emulator gaming community are as they have long been: strained and at times openly hostile. I dislike this state of affairs as I find enjoyment and entertainment in watching both console runs and emulated runs. It is a different kind of enjoyment with each, and I expect different things from them, however, they are, at their core, merely different types of elite gaming. For a time I did not think much of this; I recognized it as a problem but found no inclination or means to attempt to fix it. This thread on m2k2 changed my mind. It concerns a member of the nesvideos community, and what he was calling a Tool-Assisted Speedrun of Super Metroid. Posting a link to a promo video of what the community at m2k2 refers to as "Emulation Rape" generated a very quick and mixed response, easily viewable there. I came to the conclusion after conferring with the admin of m2k2, Nathan Jahnke, that the primary problem was not what the emulated run was but what it displayed itself as. One of the primary reasons so many members of m2k2 hold emulated runs in such distaste is the fact that emulated runs appear to be the same thing as console runs at first glance (but are not), and they outperform their look-alike cousins to a considerable degree. Whether any one person is specifically interested in emulated runs or not and whether they find them offensive or not are two seperate distinctions. The issue then arises from nomenclature: Spades should be called spades, and they should be so called both loudly and obviously for all to hear. The large problem with this is that the name for these emulated runs is in dispute. Not among the emulating community by any stretch, but between the different major factions of elite gaming. m2k2 would have them be derisively known as Emulation Rape or Emu Rape, while the emulating community would have them be known as the very politically correct Tool-Assisted Speedruns. Neither community is willing to accept the other's term. This lack of a definitive name is a severe impediment to relations between these major sides of the elite gaming community. For each to shrug the other off as inconsequential and not care what they think is, in my humble opinion, a mistake. Therefore, and as you can see in the thread I linked to, I feel that a new name should be agreed on by both sides. The name I propose is "Cyborg Run", the verb form of which would be "To Borg a Run/Game". My reasoning, reposted from the thread on m2k2: -- 1: It is as accurate as you can possibly get. The first line of the article 'Cyborg' on Wikipedia reads: "The term cyborg, a portmanteau of cybernetic organism, is used to designate an organism which is a mixture of organic and mechanical (synthetic) parts. Generally, the aim is to add to or enhance the abilities of an organism by using technology." I can't imagine how anyone could argue that that's not an accurate description of what we at m2k2 call emulation rape. In truth it's more a tightened and cooler-sounding version of "tool assistance" than anything. Which brings me to the next reason: 2: It sounds better than anything currently in use. "Tool assistance" sounds, to me, anyway, as spineless as "vertically challenged person of separate gender" to describe a short woman in poltically correct gibberish. I've never heard a person desribe their emulated run as "tool-assisted" in any tone other than a begrudging "I have to say this so I am" sort of way. Furthermore, "Emulation Rape" contains the word "Rape", which is probably offensive to more than one person out there, I would dare say. Compare: "Hey guys, check out my Tool-Assisted Speedrun of Metroid II" "Hey guys, check out my Emu Rape of Metroid II" "Hey guys, check out my Cyborg Run of Metroid II" "I am in the middle of doing a run of Metroid II with tool assistance" or "I'm tooling Metroid II" "I'm raping Metroid II" "I'm borging Metroid II" 3: I've got nothing riding on this since I've never done a run. This isn't actually a reason that my idea is a good one, but it does stand to show that I'm just offering this as a possible way of easing tensions between two groups of gamers that really have enough in common to make a feud pretty stupid. -- So I'm posting this here to see what you guys think.