use the normal backwalk where it's best and the forward backwalk in long, straight segments.
mwl wrote:
OH MY GOSH. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND NORMAL BACKWALK IS BETTER EVERYWHERE. BY YOUR LOGIC WE SHOULD USE NORMAL BACKWALK EVERYWHERE, VERY GOOD AT LEAST THERE IS ONE INTELLIGENT PERSON ON THIS FORUM AND HIS NAME IS CUMGARGLEFLOP.
Don't know. I think it's pretty cool to see how you can go completely backwards. Honestly, the most boring parts are the long backwalks, which should be done the fastest way to get us to the better parts. There's just no difference between watching boring stuff forwards or backwards.
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Shadow Byrn wrote:
There's just no difference between watching boring stuff forwards or backwards.
I challenge you to a drive-off across the country (USA). We will both be driving in reverse, though, and you can only look at your side/rearview mirrors.
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fluffy kitten wrote:
Forward-Backwalking is slower.
What? Are you trying to say that the camera's position has some kind of influence in Link's movement speed?
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Bisqwit wrote:
I've lost faith in this TAS. If a slower method of traveling is used for "entertainment" sake, then I wont watch it. I'm not entertained by a TAS that is purposely made slower than it it could be.
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YautjaElder wrote:
I've lost faith in this TAS.
That's cool. It's not like Guano has even chimed in on this. Watch this!
"What? I'm not interested in watching Guano's hard work on a site that doesn't focus on speed, simply because someone alluded to an opinion that slightly differs, but has little to no consequence on anything!"
"What? I'm not interested in watching Guano's hard work on a site that doesn't focus on speed, simply because someone alluded to an opinion that slightly differs, but has little to no consequence on anything!"
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Hey, YautjaElder... if you like speed, you'll love this run
And forward backwalking consists in:
1-make Link face the camera
2-press Z (the camera will start to move to his back)
3-press Down (to make Link face the camera again) and press Z once more (before the camera reaches its final position), to fix its position.
Now Link will backwalk while facing the camera.
That won't make the run much slower, I guess
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It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
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Bisqwit wrote:
There is a lack of agreement between this site's principles and my own. People who haven't even played the game are posting as if they knew what the heck they were talking about, deciding whether to accept the speedrun to the site's collection via the Workbench, and evaluating the run after it's been published. You can't do any of these tasks effectively without a very thorough knowledge of the game and all tricks involved. This is perhaps part of the reason the rating for Guano's first OoT run is so low. All someone who hasn't played the game would know is that (1) the run isn't very "entertaining" compared to, say, the SM64 speedrun, and (2) there were a few tricks that were not included in the run because they had been discovered after its completion. Some people assigned low scores solely based on these two reasons alone, without considering the fact that OoT simply isn't an action-filled game like SM64, or that a run that's two and a half hours long requires hundreds of hours to make, and it simply isn't practical to redo more than half of the run to implement a minor timesaver until it's certain that no more would be discovered in the near future.
Sure, this site isn't SDA. If you're curious about how things work over there, Radix hires established community members who have proven their expertise in a certain game to look over new submissions of that game and evaluate their quality. As far as I know, no one on SDA has ever requested that "forwards backwalking" be executed in a real-time run, and timing isn't as crucial in console runs as it is in tool-assisted runs. Perhaps this is because we all know the game well enough so that backwalking wouldn't ruin our enjoyment of the runs to even the slightest degree. I'm making the assumption that most people who are against backwalking generally don't know the game very well, because the most common complaint is that viewers "can't see where the runner is going." This sentiment is nonexistent on SDA, where all users who actively participate in speedrun discussions are expected to have completed the game in question once, if not ten or 100 times. In any case, I certainly did not expect to see this backwalking issue get brought up over and over again, ad nauseum, ever since Guano began his initial run. I believe that demanding TAS runners to sacrifice time intentionally for "entertainment" is an insult to the dedicated team of SDA researchers who worked so hard to slice OoT's necessary completion time in half over the last six months or so. They've truly made some unbelievable progress, and to make a run that doesn't comply with the highest standards of perfection is, as TSA said when he quit his own OoT run, a "dishonor to the work done by so many." I'll admit that some of us SDA folks may have been unrealistic in what we've come to expect from other speedrunning communities, but certainly this big of a difference in philosophy came as quite a surprise.
"Genuine self-esteem, however, consists not of causeless feelings, but of certain knowledge about yourself.
It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
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functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
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Bisqwit wrote:
mwl: There is a lack of agreement between this site's principles and my own.
I couldn't get a coherent viewpoint out of the two bricks for paragraphs you wrote, so I'll just take your first sentence and guess it means that this site should change its principles instead of you. Is that something along the lines of what you meant?
mwl: There is a lack of agreement between this site's principles and my own.
I couldn't get a coherent viewpoint out of the two bricks for paragraphs you wrote, so I'll just take your first sentence and guess it means that this site should change its principles instead of you. Is that something along the lines of what you meant?
You are way off. mwl, I agree 100% with what you are saying. I don't think most of the people posting in this topic have even beaten OoT. You can tell by the on going argument to use forwards backwalking instead of the normal faster backwalking.
o my g0d! dewd i cnt c whr hes goin i rate u 1/1o plz mke it m0re entertenin!
The people who have said that should leave this topic. Go ahead and say "i dnt ned 2 leev dis topic i cn do watevr i wnt".
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wtf!!
if the camera is behind Link, he runs faster??????
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It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
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So.. why do not use it when travelling long distances?
Nobody asked to use it everytime...
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It rests on the conviction that you — by your choices, effort and actions — have made yourself into the
kind of person able to deal with reality. It is the conviction — based on the evidence of your own volitional
functioning — that you are fundamentally able to succeed in life and, therefore, are deserving of that success."
- Onkar Ghate
Bisqwit wrote:
Clearly there are two very differing opinions here, and all this arguing won't make anyone change their opinion.
Therefore I suggest this compromise: What if we used forward backwalking when walking long distances (examples would include walking across Hyrule Field), and regular backwalking at all other times? As I see it, this is a win-win situation and should leave everybody happy.
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Everybody needs to calm down. My purpose aint to achieve truce between mwl vs us, or Yautja (you will stay) vs Zurreco (and you will remove your signature ^_^), or SDA vs tasvideos.org. Im offering solutions for everyone even though they have been stated *numerous times before. Dont just scroll through this post, take your sincere time and read it. When this run is done, pick one of the following suggestions:
A) Fastforward the walking backward, forward, left, right, horizontal parts. Win/win situation for everyone and this suggestion has been mentioned * times before, people tend to forget the power of fastforwarding. And remember, the entertaining parts of this run aint backwalking or forwardwalking, its the incredibly fast maneuvers and tricks performed by your favorite Guano :) So the backwalking/forwardwalking parts are irrelevant for the entertainment value. That is my opinion regarding this matter, forget which direction he moves, because there are thousand things far more entertaining actions to follow.
B) * Knowing that everyone have clearly stated their opinions regarding this issue before, I and everyone else who follows this thread can assure and reassure that we have honestly acknowledged your sentiment, view and thought. Im not implying that since everyone have expressed their opinions, they can keep their opinions to themselves now since we have already * read them before. All Im saying is, take a deep breathe, and think do we really need further discussion for this rather stupid subjective issue?
C) Acknowledge in a positive way others opinions. One or two misinterpreted words led probably to this escalated discussion or some people in this thread sometimes acted arrogantly (I will not address who Im referring to for the purpose of ending this discussion) towards other members which needs to cease immediately to make way for constructive discussion instead of dwelling on the same argument.
D) Sometimes, people like me take a big sigh when we see (not that I claim Im perfect or dont sometimes participate discussions similar to this) a pointless discussion such as this taking place. Point with this suggestion is, sometimes its better reading some other thread, turning your attention elsewhere or simply ignoring if you know your post will intensify this thread even more. Just a friendly suggestion, nothing personal.
E) Lets prove to God we can be united!
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natt wrote:
I don't want to get involved in this discussion, but as a point of fact C# is literally the first goddamn thing on that fucking page you linked did you even fucking read it
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