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Umm, its called segmenting a run. And you can easily do it with mupen. Did you see the Zelda 64 run? Theres no way that was all done in a single segment.
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Excellent work Vidar although I should probally have ommited the coming statement but...
I think you missed the robot in Corneria City which costed you +5 and I'm sure back when I played this game that there was enemies to hit in the background during the first boss, but then again bosses hit points decrease as time goes on so you might get a worser deal. I couldn't see this getting improved by any more than 10 hits without doing Expert mode.
Why is there a talk on testing every level when there is a very much a well accepted route through the game i.e CRN>>AST>>KAT>>SEC_X>>MAC_B>>AREA_6>>VENOM
Just move on.
DemonStrate wrote:
Umm, its called segmenting a run. And you can easily do it with mupen. Did you see the Zelda 64 run? Theres no way that was all done in a single segment.
I don't know what you mean or what you're refering to.
Excellent work Vidar although I should probally have ommited the coming statement but...
I think you missed the robot in Corneria City which costed you +5 and I'm sure back when I played this game that there was enemies to hit in the background during the first boss, but then again bosses hit points decrease as time goes on so you might get a worser deal. I couldn't see this getting improved by any more than 10 hits without doing Expert mode.
Why is there a talk on testing every level when there is a very much a well accepted route through the game i.e CRN>>AST>>KAT>>SEC_X>>MAC_B>>AREA_6>>VENOM
Just move on.
You say something is missed and you don't say what? There isn't any extra hits at the boss either.
That route is not the only choice, as shown above it was actually less than the 2nd route on expert mode at least.
I guess the only way to be absolutly sure which is better is to do all of the stages on the routes. Shoot while we're doing those, why not all of the levels? At 8 months per level....we'd be done in about a really long time!
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I'm not sure if people are attacking me, but I apologize for Corneria taking 6 months (not 8, because I took two breaks) because the first 4 months were mostly testing as I had not fully known about the workings of StarFox and Corneria. Now that I somewhat capable of the controls, the time for each planet should not exceed more than a month or so.
AKA wrote:
I think you missed the robot in Corneria City which costed you +5 and I'm sure back when I played this game that there was enemies to hit in the background during the first boss, but then again bosses hit points decrease as time goes on so you might get a worser deal. I couldn't see this getting improved by any more than 10 hits without doing Expert mode.
1. What robot is this that you're talking about? Which avi do you have currently, the one that ends up with 337 or 322? 322 was the first version DeHackEd produced, and it was with a wrong ROM, so my score was not as high as it should be. Then L4yer and DeHackEd made a second version that ended up with 337. However, if you DO have the 337 run, please do tell me where I missed the robot in Corneria city because I've watched the run several times over and I don't seem to have missed anything, let alone a robot worth 6 hits.
2. There are also no enemies that fly in the background of the boss, unless you mean the missiles/enemy fighters that come from the fighter bays which I destroyed in the first two seconds of the boss battle. And besides, they don't provide any extra hits. =(
3. As with expert mode, this run can be improved by an additional 28 hits, as there are 14 more enemies and as we all know from math class.. 14*2=28 ^^ I also believe that Corneria CAN be improved upon by no more than 3 extra hits, which can be obtained from more efficient braking and frame advance spamming with charged blasts with better strategies.
AKA wrote:
Why is there a talk on testing every level when there is a very much a well accepted route through the game i.e CRN>>AST>>KAT>>SEC_X>>MAC_B>>AREA_6>>VENOM
With all that being said, I will reinforce what has already been said above. There is no route being chosen yet, so I must choose based on running through it and seeing which provides the highest score, which upon finding will be the route of choice to proceed to Venom. As for segmenting a run, that is no problem for me as I have to run through about 1/2 of all the levels (fortuna, sector z, Solar, titania, and Bolse being the only planets I can't visit for my run) However, these planets can easily be taken as a third run which will unlock expert mode, so that's probably more potential good news for any avid starfox 64 followers/fans that have been looking at this thread. All segmented runs of the worlds, a WR breaking normal mode playthrough, AND the development of an expert mode run too. =]
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Bisqwit wrote:
I think you missed the robot in Corneria City which costed you +5 and I'm sure back when I played this game that there was enemies to hit in the background during the first boss, but then again bosses hit points decrease as time goes on so you might get a worser deal. I couldn't see this getting improved by any more than 10 hits without doing Expert mode.
1. What robot is this that you're talking about? Which avi do you have currently, the one that ends up with 337 or 322? 322 was the first version DeHackEd produced, and it was with a wrong ROM, so my score was not as high as it should be. Then L4yer and DeHackEd made a second version that ended up with 337. However, if you DO have the 337 run, please do tell me where I missed the robot in Corneria city because I've watched the run several times over and I don't seem to have missed anything, let alone a robot worth 6 hits.
I guess he's talking about the robot on the right side after Peppy says "Use the brake!" Did you kill it? It's not clear in the video.
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Aren't there also satellite dishes that you can hit? my brother watched the WIP with me and pointed that out, at 3:13, there are like 5-7 dishes, and more at 3:19. I'm not sure if they count as points, but my brother said he remembered they could be attacked.
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comicalflop wrote:
Aren't there also satellite dishes that you can hit? my brother watched the WIP with me and pointed that out, at 3:13, there are like 5-7 dishes, and more at 3:19. I'm not sure if they count as points, but my brother said he remembered they could be attacked.
I'm pretty sure they don't give points. Just silver rings.
Just wanted to say to Vidar, keep up the good work. Corneria looked very beautiful and I hope you don't drop this project. I'm looking forward to a finished run no matter how long it takes.
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The only downside I noticied is the exclusive use of the charge-targeting laser for all enemies. While it is the fastest way to defeat many enemies at once for points, at the end of the run it will seem a bit repetitive. The boss fight was spectacular though, with Frame Advance powered lasers (haha I have never seen the shields go down that fast.)
One big improvement here: I watched the complete as fast as possible run at SDA of this game (only using boost and killing his friends not very fun to watch), and he skips all the intro texts (Sgt. Peppy giving the mission and whatnot.) on the emulator is this skippable? if so that's a lot of potential saved time
Text and intros and animations are only skippable if they've never been done before. The guy on SDA had certainly used his game cart and beaten the game before, so he can skip them. Just like the conker's bad fur day speedrun cutscenes are all skipped, but on an emulator you'd watch them all.
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I haven't watched the movie yet but from som of the comments, a question arose in my mind:
Does he target the enemies before he shoots (with the charged laser)? I recall seing something about getting more Hit+ if you blow up enemies without targeting them.
Has this been tested/validated?
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Mazzic wrote:
Does he target the enemies before he shoots (with the charged laser)? I recall seing something about getting more Hit+ if you blow up enemies without targeting them.
Has this been tested/validated?
She. No, she doesn't. Yes, it is verified by this here run.
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