You need 8 bombchu's for Dondongo's that includes getting there and completing the dungeon. Don't forget that we need to keep one bombchu spare so that Ganon Early can be done. Acryte's video doesn the hover to the bombs with 3 bombchu's although you could always strech your luck to see if its possible to do it in two, but I doubtful of that.
Is that really faster?
My idea was shooting the "higher" Skullwalltula so that you could climb along the right edge of that wall and avoid having to move horizontally.
Also, did you try supersliding off of a Leever in the final stretch of the Haunted Wasteland and the Desert Colossus?
EDIT - @AKA, I think he could have superslid during the last straight portion of the path to Spirit.
Hm, I'm sure this has already been thought of, but is Talon at Lon Lon Ranch even if you don't wake him up (after either Jabu Jabu or Zelda)? Hopefully the answer is yes...
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Hm, I'm sure this has already been thought of, but is Talon at Lon Lon Ranch even if you don't wake him up (after either Jabu Jabu or Zelda)? Hopefully the answer is yes...
That's a very very good point. . . . It hadn't crossed my mind at all.
is Talon at Lon Lon Ranch even if you don't wake him up (after either Jabu Jabu or Zelda)
I believe the answer to that is no (can someone please confirm?), and in the worst case scenario, we'll just have to get the Weird Egg and wait it out the old way. On the flip side, this allows for much greater flexibility in route planning.
Talon is definitely not at Lon Lon Ranch if you don't wake him up. Why this would change after collecting all three stones is beyond me--I simply can't see the game automatically making that kind of an assumption.
The game makes a lot of bizarre assumptions, although it certainly is a whole lot of backtracking if it doesn't work...and I loved seeing the moat jump on the last one =/
Talon is definitely not at Lon Lon Ranch if you don't wake him up. Why this would change after collecting all three stones is beyond me--I simply can't see the game automatically making that kind of an assumption.
Well, if you look at one of my vids I have all 3 spiritual stones Talon still there. Its still worth checking to see if he's there after the lullaby is learned. You have to remember that time is wasted if you need to talk to someone as the actual days itself within the game won't go on. You could get the bottle in Kakariko but that is time consuming, I'd think it would be much better if we didn't skip the bottle in the domain, but then again we must show it to King Zora.
The only way that I can think of to even remotely take advantage of this would be to get the weird egg, get magic in the Fairy Fountain here, and get out (no Death Mountain seamwalk). Time doesn't pass in the fountain, though, so even with that I don't know that this would really be faster than just getting the Hylia bottle. You have to go there anyway to plant the bean, right? Or am I outdated?
The game makes a lot of bizarre assumptions, although it certainly is a whole lot of backtracking if it doesn't work...and I loved seeing the moat jump on the last one =/
There's no reason he can't moat jump in the new one, so long as supply allows. Pushing the crates around is still slow and pointless when you can bomb jump over...
<Zurreco> if so called professional players cant adapt to every playing field, theyre obviously not that great
8... That means we need a total of 11 bombchus:
1 in Spirit temple
8 in Dodongo's Cavern
1 at Castle Moat, child
1 at Castle Moat, adult
Are we using the hover glitch with bombs on the castle moat as a child then?
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Here's how I broke the bombchu usage down
0 - in Spirit (just want to make that clear to everyone)
8 - for and getting to Dondongo
1 - for castle moat, although I think it can be done with bombs while Acryte says it can't. Guano will prove it either way when he gets there
1 - For crossing the Valley of Doom at Ganon's castle (I nearly spelled it with two n's there)
Complete the armos room by get the jewels, so we can get 20 bombchu's in the next room.
Something really funny happened when I met Zelda with all three Spiritual stones. Everything went normally, but then Impa didn't appear so that makes meeting Zelda with all 3 stones trually a pointless excercise. Talon was also still there, but I'm convinced he would still be there even if Zelda was only met with two Spirtual stones. The easiest way to check would be to stop Guano's previous movie when he's backwalking to Lake Hylia and simply visit Lon Lon.
So my question is either
A: Do we get the bottle at Lake Hyrule going through the usual routing
OR
B: When the owl drops Link in Kakariko. Do we get the bottle via cucco collection, although the collecting could probally be done a lot quicker than we think. The one important factor would be banking on it still being daytime. Isn't it always noon after Jabu?, because a deathwarp is required because King Zora still needs to be bypassed which'll take forever via the hovering strategy. I really couldn't say if we'll be in Kakariko during the day which means if thats the case then we have to Show the bottle to King Zora so he can shift his ass along and remove the contents from the bottle.
The game makes a lot of bizarre assumptions, although it certainly is a whole lot of backtracking if it doesn't work...and I loved seeing the moat jump on the last one =/
Looking from a programming perspective, I actually don't find a single one of the "assumptions" bizarre or illogical in any way.
The game makes a lot of bizarre assumptions, although it certainly is a whole lot of backtracking if it doesn't work...and I loved seeing the moat jump on the last one =/
Looking from a programming perspective, I actually don't find a single one of the "assumptions" bizarre or illogical in any way.
Assuptions such as:
1)If Link is crouch stabbing and not jumping than he is on the ground
2)Link will not try to light his slingshot on fire
3)Link will be on solid ground when he sets off the cucco cutscene
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Here's how I broke the bombchu usage down
0 - in Spirit (just want to make that clear to everyone)
8 - for and getting to Dondongo
1 - for castle moat, although I think it can be done with bombs while Acryte says it can't. Guano will prove it either way when he gets there
1 - For crossing the Valley of Doom at Ganon's castle (I nearly spelled it with two n's there)
Complete the armos room by get the jewels, so we can get 20 bombchu's in the next room.
Something really funny happened when I met Zelda with all three Spiritual stones. Everything went normally, but then Impa didn't appear so that makes meeting Zelda with all 3 stones trually a pointless excercise. Talon was also still there, but I'm convinced he would still be there even if Zelda was only met with two Spirtual stones. The easiest way to check would be to stop Guano's previous movie when he's backwalking to Lake Hylia and simply visit Lon Lon.
So my question is either
A: Do we get the bottle at Lake Hyrule going through the usual routing
OR
B: When the owl drops Link in Kakariko. Do we get the bottle via cucco collection, although the collecting could probally be done a lot quicker than we think. The one important factor would be banking on it still being daytime. Isn't it always noon after Jabu?, because a deathwarp is required because King Zora still needs to be bypassed which'll take forever via the hovering strategy. I really couldn't say if we'll be in Kakariko during the day which means if thats the case then we have to Show the bottle to King Zora so he can shift his ass along and remove the contents from the bottle.
I feel like getting the bottle in Hylia would be faster, because of all the various hoops one has to jump through to get the bottle any other way, but I'll admit it's just a feeling...
I feel like getting the bottle in Hylia would be faster, because of all the various hoops one has to jump through to get the bottle any other way, but I'll admit it's just a feeling...
>>>8 - for and getting to Dondongo<<<
Does that include doing bomb bag early with just 3 bombchus? Acrtye said this was possible.
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I feel like getting the bottle in Hylia would be faster, because of all the various hoops one has to jump through to get the bottle any other way, but I'll admit it's just a feeling...
It's not called Bottle Adventure for nothing!
Some of my weekends can be called Bottle Adventures too.
