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Posted: 7/31/2006 7:18 PM
Post subject: I found an interesting theory about the universe
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gbagcn
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http://www.edge.org/video/dsl/EF02_Lloyd.html
Posted: 7/31/2006 7:41 PM
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anubis
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www.timecube.com
Posted: 7/31/2006 7:54 PM
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Ramzi
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Just because you can model or simulate the universe with a computer, doesn't mean the universe is a computer. Emergent phenomonen exists outside of computers and algorithms. With his line of reasoning, I could say that the universe is like a cup of coffee.
Posted: 7/31/2006 8:19 PM
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Blublu
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Your idea of a cup-of-coffee universe intrigues me, Ramzi. I may have to steal it.
Posted: 7/31/2006 10:09 PM
Post subject: Re: I found an interesting theory about the universe
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Tub
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gbagcn wrote:
http://www.edge.org/video/dsl/EF02_Lloyd.html
The universe requires me to download a plugin I don't have and that's not available for my operating system. so, your theory is that the universe is evil and doesn't like me?
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Posted: 7/31/2006 10:26 PM
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Can we get a summary? I don't like single-link topics. At least try to convince me that it's interesting.
Posted: 8/1/2006 1:53 AM
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Ramzi
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Blublu wrote:
Your idea of a cup-of-coffee universe intrigues me, Ramzi. I may have to steal it.
Hahahahaha. Combined with a donut theory of the universe, we might conclude that we're just part of a gigantic cosmic police officer's lunch.
Posted: 8/1/2006 1:56 AM
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Ramzi
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Omega wrote:
Can we get a summary? I don't like single-link topics. At least try to convince me that it's interesting.
The guy tries to explain how physical objects can be bits, like a quarter having a heads side and a tails side. He then goes on to say that all these particles in the universe are bits in a giant computer running algoirthms which give the universe its complexity.
Posted: 8/1/2006 2:14 AM
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I think he's a bug.
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Posted: 8/2/2006 11:38 AM
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MahaTmA
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Proving or disproving this theory is not applicable, thus, it is not a theory, but a postulate.
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Posted: 8/14/2006 3:42 AM
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sean.brockest
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anubis wrote:
www.timecube.com
What the hell is this? I'm trying to read it, but all he says is what's right and wrong, without saying what anything really is. is he trying to prove the earth is flat or something? i'm really confused.
Posted: 8/16/2006 2:31 AM
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This seems like a good topic to mention this site: http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php I actually ordered the book.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 6:01 AM
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Ramzi wrote:
Omega wrote:
Can we get a summary? I don't like single-link topics. At least try to convince me that it's interesting.
The guy tries to explain how physical objects can be bits, like a quarter having a heads side and a tails side. He then goes on to say that all these particles in the universe are bits in a giant computer running algoirthms which give the universe its complexity.
Except he also happens to forget that a quarter has sides, as well. So unless he feels like saving the status of that quarter with two bits (and then an infinite number of bits for with infinite amount of precision for the rotation, angle, and etc etc etc of it), well, whoops.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 8:17 AM
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xebra
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Well, I mean, it is conceivable that all physical properties are quantized at fine enough resolutions.
Posted: 8/16/2006 8:23 AM
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Noticing that particles come in many sizes (and seeing the ending of Men In Black), I've certainly considered the possibility that the universe is a giant organism/brain/machine. Solar system are atoms (the star is the nucleus, the planets are electrons), galaxies are cells, and clusters of galaxies form organs and the like. It would be rather amusing if we humans, who tend to think that the universe is for them and other tiny aliens on similar worlds, were in fact little more than bacteria or viruses within an organism too massive for us to comprehend. Such an organism might require eons to consider a thought or take an action, and understand reality on an entirely different scale. We would have no more ability to recognize the existence of such a creature than an amoeba or other micro-organism would to understand our existence. Obviously the universe can be both infinitely large and infinitely small, as we are only able to detect the existence of objects that are close enough to have had light or radiation reach us, so the "universe", which may be a living creature, or an organ in a creature, or a desk or a sneaker, could also be a single atom in a geometrically larger organism so vast that the rest of its light will never reach us. Once you start to go down that road, there's no end to it. Edit: Well, okay. One more. We think of the Big Bang as the beginning of the universe, but the visible universe may be a tiny quantity of matter and energy inside a universe that it 10^1000 times larger. What if the universe is, in fact, a kernel of cosmic popcorn that was created 15 billion years ago when someone put a bag with several thousand objects the size of our universe into a microwave. For the massive individual making the popcorn, we only popped about 15 seconds ago, and he or she will get off the couch and eat us in about 100 billion years.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 8:43 AM
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Bag_of_Magic_Food
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But the Big Bang expanded not only matter but space as well, right?
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Posted: 8/16/2006 7:45 PM
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RT-55J
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I always believed that the Universe was sneezed out of the nose of some gigantic green thingy. I live in perpetual fear of The Coming of the Great White Handkerchief.
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Posted: 8/16/2006 7:52 PM
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Bag_of_Magic_Food
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Was it a turtle?
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Posted: 8/16/2006 10:16 PM
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xebra wrote:
Well, I mean, it is conceivable that all physical properties are quantized at fine enough resolutions.
Aren't all physical properties quantised at the Planck scale..?
Posted: 8/17/2006 1:07 AM
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schneelocke wrote:
xebra wrote:
Well, I mean, it is conceivable that all physical properties are quantized at fine enough resolutions.
Aren't all physical properties quantised at the Planck scale..?
It's conceivable.
Posted: 8/18/2006 9:30 AM
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MahaTmA
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Gravity hasn't been proven to be, although theories on the quantization of gravity through rather obscure mathematics has provided some merit that it might very well be. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_gravity for more. Let's review some of the criteria for being categorized as life, shall we? - Metabolism - Propagation (sexually or asexually) The universe fails on these accounts. Metabolism requires a distinction between what is "external" and "internal" to the organism. Since it is generally accepted that there is nothing "outside" the universe (at least, in a three-dimensional sense), on what would the universe feed - and to what does the energy contrived go? Propagation requires areas into which the universe can expand and multiply, and thusly falols for the argument above. Conversly, if we take quantum cosmology into account, then there might be something to it. this, in simplicity, states, that each quantum "decision" spawn a new universe, each containing the varying states in which any quantum could have been when the decision was made. Perhaps then, every quantum state that is found, will spawn an offspring into which we (The observers, parasites) are carried, until the next breeding period.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 5:47 PM
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When you say that it is generally accepted that there is nothing outside of the universe, do you mean the visible universe? I recently saw some kind of television show about the possibility that the universe is much larger than the visible universe, and the rest of the universe is so far away that its light hasn't reached us yet. We aren't able to observe anything for the universe to "eat", but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot more stuff out there. Just be patient and some cosmic creature may drop the universe a bone in a few billion years.
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Posted: 8/18/2006 5:54 PM
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So is 3D space infinite, or is it wrapped around onto itself in the 4th dimension?
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Posted: 8/18/2006 9:40 PM
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hopper wrote:
When you say that it is generally accepted that there is nothing outside of the universe, do you mean the visible universe? I recently saw some kind of television show about the possibility that the universe is much larger than the visible universe, and the rest of the universe is so far away that its light hasn't reached us yet. We aren't able to observe anything for the universe to "eat", but that doesn't mean that there isn't a lot more stuff out there. Just be patient and some cosmic creature may drop the universe a bone in a few billion years.
Science only concerns itself with phenomena which can, at least in theory, be falsified, though. Postulating the existence of stuff that is utterly inaccessible (and thus cannot interact with us or our (observable) universe in any way) doesn't lead anywhere; of course it might be true, but it just as well might not, and we'll never be able to find out. In other words: I postulate that outside of the universe (for a suitable definition of "outside"), everything is actually run by a herd of invisible pink unicorns.
Posted: 8/18/2006 10:07 PM
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They're invisible and pink? Interesting idea.
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